Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Mortimer Snerd]

This seems like the unicorn. It wasn't Monahan.

Of all the UFA 2Cs available, I'm sure Nelson and Gourde (who is not big) have NTCs with Winnipeg on it. That leaves Granlund. Good player, but does he change anything? Do the Jets go longer term? How far away is Yager? I really like the idea of Perfetti-Yager-Chibrikov as a 2nd line as early as next season. Maybe keep Namestnikov for insurance.

Is there a player you see who fits the mold? Namestnikov is still the best defensive player on that line.

I saw you post Miller for top paring minutes. I wonder if Miller is capable of those minutes. Maybe it's the 3rd pairing role that is contributing to his success, I can't say, but it does seem like he is getting some load management. When is the last time Miller was a 20 minute a night defenseman?

I don't know Granlund well enough to have a solid opinion. It seems to me that I remember him being a strong skater a few years ago. He is scoring at about a ppg pace with SJS this year so he must be aging well so far. He typically scores about 2.5 A per G, so a pretty good playmaker. Based on that he should be a good fit but I would like to hear from people who have paid more attention to him than I have.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'd be looking at someone with term

Morgan Frost is someone who is think would fit there and might not cost a fortune to aquire. He's not big, but at 6'0 he's not small either

He seems like he's in and out of Tort's doghouse for whatever reason

I guess it also depends on Ehlers' intentions (if he's gone, Lambert could switch to the wing) and how far away Yager is (I'm guessing at least one year on thr Moose, maybe 2)

If I have counted correctly Frost is in his 6th NHL season so he is only 1 more year away from UFA. But 1 additional year is better than none and might align with Yager's timeline.

Either Lambert or Chibrikov might be able to fill Ehlers' wing spot. A lot easier to swallow that loss if there is an adequate C to work with Perfetti and Lambert/Chibrikov.

 

[Whileee]

I think Chevy might be a gun shy on the rental market, it really has not served him well. On the hand he has had much more success when he makes a hockey trade and I think that's the route he is going to go. Move a player or two plus a prospect or two to get the player or players that this team needs.

I could see him moving Ehlers if he's looking at a big hockey trade. But it would probably have to be with a team that Ehlers would re-sign with. Another option might be trading Ehlers for futures as a rental to a team looking for offense, and flipping those assets in a bigger deal.

I could see the Jets trading Perfetti if they are able to extend Ehlers, but I think they'll be reluctant to trade Perfetti at this stage. He's getting better and better this season, and is still young.

Iafallo likely has some trade value, but I doubt they'd trade him unless they have a bigger deal and need the cap space.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Most of these 2C targets have similar or worse stats than Names...

if we are looking at that level of player... id actuallu bring back Copp with salary retention - then see if theres chemistry with ehlers.. we know he fits the team and the system

System was different when he was here. He was 3 HC ago. But he was always a good FO man and played well defensively. He has some offense, but not a lot. Might be an interesting idea.

He is under contract for 2 more years after this one. Not sure DRW would want to be stuck with retention for that long. But otherwise, I don't think the price would be too high.

If we're putting a package together for Cozens and Nik was extending, I think I'd be OK including Lambert.... or even Perfetti.

The reality is that a second line built around Ehlers and Cozens could be filled out by any of Chibs, Lambert or Perfetti. That leaves the others as trade bait (with varying value)

If Ehlers has his foot out the door for sure, then that changes things obviously

That said, if Chevy calls on Cozens I think Salo is the ask to start. Sabres are massively deficient in RHD

I wouldn't give up either Perfetti or Salo, especially not Salo, for Cozens.

 

[bustamente]

I could see him moving Ehlers if he's looking at a big hockey trade. But it would probably have to be with a team that Ehlers would re-sign with. Another option might be trading Ehlers for futures as a rental to a team looking for offense, and flipping those assets in a bigger deal.

I could see the Jets trading Perfetti if they are able to extend Ehlers, but I think they'll be reluctant to trade Perfetti at this stage. He's getting better and better this season, and is still young.

Iafallo likely has some trade value, but I doubt they'd trade him unless they have a bigger deal and need the cap space.

It's starting to sound like Chevy will have to do something with Nik one way or another before moving on to either a trade or deadline deal. Nik is the first domino

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I could see him moving Ehlers if he's looking at a big hockey trade. But it would probably have to be with a team that Ehlers would re-sign with. Another option might be trading Ehlers for futures as a rental to a team looking for offense, and flipping those assets in a bigger deal.

I could see the Jets trading Perfetti if they are able to extend Ehlers, but I think they'll be reluctant to trade Perfetti at this stage. He's getting better and better this season, and is still young.

Iafallo likely has some trade value, but I doubt they'd trade him unless they have a bigger deal and need the cap space.

Moving pieces. The thing is that any trade this year needs to make us better this year. So trading any of Ehlers, Perfetti or Iafallo is unlikely. Though any of them could go for the right return.

I wonder if usage and success this year might be making an extension more likely for Ehlers. The longer it goes undone the less likely it becomes but it remains possible until he actually signs with another team.

IF Ehlers is as good as gone it limits trading of other wingers, like Perfetti or Lambert.

 

[Bob E]

What previous trade are you basing that price for cozens.

I don’t think Ehlers (rental) or Perfetti (alone) would land you Cozens, though including both, the Sabres would need to add to make it work.

Very few young C’s, highly touted, are traded. Couple of examples would be PL Dubois and Ryan Johansen. Both had put up similar numbers to Cozens at the time and were traded for similar aged, similar draft spot, player(s).

PLD for Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari and 2nd (Freij)

RJ for Seth Jones

If you’re trading for Cozens, a highly touted young player that has shown some promise in his young career, you’ll have to include a similar aged and productive player. That’s Perfetti. Or even Vilardi.

A productive Ehlers on an expiring deal likely holds a TDL value of a 1st, bottom roster player and/or decent prospect as a rental. That package with some tweaks could be flipped and might land you Cozens.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I don’t think Ehlers (rental) or Perfetti (alone) would land you Cozens, though including both, the Sabres would need to add to make it work.

Very few young C’s, highly touted, are traded. Couple of examples would be PL Dubois and Ryan Johansen. Both had put up similar numbers to Cozens at the time and were traded for similar aged, similar draft spot, player(s).

PLD for Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari and 2nd (Freij)

RJ for Seth Jones

If you’re trading for Cozens, a highly touted young player that has shown some promise in his young career, you’ll have to include a similar aged and productive player. That’s Perfetti. Or even Vilardi.

A productive Ehlers on an expiring deal likely holds a TDL value of a 1st, bottom roster player and/or decent prospect as a rental. That package with some tweaks could be flipped and might land you Cozens.

Ehlers is worth more than Kupari iafallo and a2nd so seems like an overpayment.
Perfetti is worth than Villardi was as Villardi was injury prone. There’s a reason la was willing to give up an overpaid 4th liner an injury prone top liner and a waiver wire piece.

A closer equivalent trade I think is Perfetti Appleton who has better numbers and contract than Iafallo when traded, lambert who is tracking I think as well as Kupari, and a 2nd.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Moving pieces. The thing is that any trade this year needs to make us better this year. So trading any of Ehlers, Perfetti or Iafallo is unlikely. Though any of them could go for the right return.

I wonder if usage and success this year might be making an extension more likely for Ehlers. The longer it goes undone the less likely it becomes but it remains possible until he actually signs with another team.

IF Ehlers is as good as gone it limits trading of other wingers, like Perfetti or Lambert.

Wonder what you’d sign ehlers for. If he was healthy and could give you 82 games the highest I’d go is 8 mil for 5 years.
With all his injuries I imagine a 60 pt player goes for 7.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Wonder what you’d sign ehlers for. If he was healthy and could give you 82 games the highest I’d go is 8 mil for 5 years.
With all his injuries I imagine a 60 pt player goes for 7.

Then if you're Chevy he is gone.