Confirmed with Link: Rangers extend D Will Borgen

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Trouba was moved, Jones wants out, Lindgren will not be extended or be traded.

If the right deal comes along KAM could be a goner as well. I have no problem if they identified a prime-aged RHD they thought would be a good fit with the idea of extending him long term.

4.1 is a touch high and I’m not in love with the trade protection but it’s likely what was needed to get the 4th and 5th years on term which will be an acceptable hit for his role if the ceiling continues to climb the way it’s projected.

To make this deal so quickly after a relatively short assessment of him as a person and his fit with this club is a little surprising but again, if he was on their radar I have no problem with actually having a plan and executing it.

I don’t think this spells the end of Schneider at all. You have three RHD which are tougher to find than LHD. You make a decision on KAM and go from there to rebuild the D.

As an aside, I still wouldn’t have traded Kakko but if you get a solid, versatile RHD Dman with some size and jam for him for 5 years at least his tenure here wasn’t completely for naught.

 

[Mandar]

Hoping we found the next Anton Stralman, more likely we've likely found the next Brendan Smith.

Is this just for the “likes”? Because I don’t see any other reason other than silly attempted humor.

 

[will1066]

He drives a tough borgen.

Let not this contract be a burden, uh, borgen.

 

[CasusBelli]

Our next Stralman or Klein I hope.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Vince never tracks rumors with any specificity, so if he says this it's as good as a press release.

I didn’t know that. I appreciate you and Mr. Banger setting me straight. I just don’t believe a guy who for the most part has played 3RD for us is suddenly going to become our 1LD, or even 2LD. I’m great with giving it a try, but I don’t believe Mr. Schneider will be on the team at the start of next season.

 

[bobbop]

Maybe a year longer and a few dollars more than I would have liked but can’t find much fault with this deal. Rangers pro scouting has done a good job identifying players for these trades.

Vaakanainen hasn’t been bad at all. Modestly plus player this year. Doesn’t make many mistakes.

Drury setting himself up for signing an offensive minded LHD this summer and fleecing someone in a Miller trade for a top end young forward,

 

[Leonardo87]

Solid deal for a #4 guy. Not sure what the issue is.

 

[noncents]

Rangers organizational depth at RD is excellent. If Schneider can play either side, that's huge.

Schneider-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Mancini

That's solid and young.

it's entirely lacking in dynamic puck moving. that's the issue i have with it

 

[McRanger92]

it's entirely lacking in dynamic puck moving. that's the issue i have with it

Room for improvement. Vaak could always be a 7

 

[Alluckks]

As I mentioned in my first post, I like this deal. I think it’s fair money for the 4/5 spot, with the cap projections for the future especially. Ideally I would like Schneider to pass him as he matures, or simply for Borgen to be on the third pair when it’s truly contention time, but for now this is honestly the perfect contract. I will say, in response to some of the other comments here, Vaakanainen has not been neatly as positive as Borgen, and I GENUINELY think you are better served with him not being in your regular top-six. I could care less whether he is brought back or not, but I definitely don’t want him penciled as more than 6/7. Borgen filling on the second pair until it’s time to genuinely push for the Cup is fine. Vaakanainen is a barely 6, whether you’re competing or not. It’s probably partially a credit to Schneider that the pair has been very solid.

Mancini and Fortescue could be a legit bottom pair in 1 year from now or so

Or just whoever does better paired with an old vet we sign to a cheap deal

To me, it's pretty low risk. The main boards is acting like he got a supermax.

Worst case scenario, they get rid of him. They just moved a worse player on a worse contract.

You could literally move him for a 2nd rounder + more right this very instant with that contract, the main board is being very weird about this very mundane extension

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Mancini and Fortescue could be a legit bottom pair in 1 year from now or so

Or just whoever does better paired with an old vet we sign to a cheap deal


You could literally move him for a 2nd rounder + more right this very instant with that contract, the main board is being very weird about this very mundane extension

Not just the main board. Read some of the posts in this thread. And the main board is usually biased towards what our British friends would call trying to take a piss out of every team. It's a miserable place skewed towards trolling.

 

[noncents]

Room for improvement. Vaak could always be a 7

i agree with loki, vaak/ruhwedel should be 7/8 on a contending team.

The hole at LD is ever widening. Some posters here are talking about trading Miller!?

I don't think you could make up a move that guarantees Miller will be signed long term more than locking up Borgen for 5 years after they play together for 3 weeks.

 

[effen]

Drury's Ambien scrip must be massive if he's both asleep at the wheel and signing guys to complicated 5 year contracts.

 

[n8]

Gonna need to bring out this oldie emote

Would have liked to seen Cuylle's extension prioritized first. Not a great AAV. Please prove me wrong BorgoCop.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

LOL the mainboard has said almost every NYR move is bad for decades.

I’d wager aside from Kraken fans and Rangers fans, 95% of the people posting how horrible this contract is in that thread have watched Will Borgen play for a combined 10 minutes if I’m being generous. They know nothing about the player. He’s not a big name so he must be bad I’m sure is the rationale.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I’d wager aside from Kraken fans and Rangers fans, 95% of the people posting how horrible this contract is in that thread have watched Will Borgen play for a combined 10 minutes if I’m being generous. They know nothing about the player. He’s not a big name so he must be bad I’m sure is the rationale.

Absolutely. One Kraken fan said that other than this season he's been a top 4 guy and defended the move. Kakko was a big name so he's being treated as this horrendously bad trade. Meanwhile when he was here he was the butt of all jokes. Main boards is just a cesspool of gotcha posts.

 

[Draft Guru]

Gonna need to bring out this oldie emote

Would have liked to seen Cuylle's extension prioritized first. Not a great AAV. Please prove me wrong BorgoCop.

Cuylle is getting a two year bridge deal like the 20 other players in his position before him in this organization not named Ryan McDonagh.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

5 f***ing years for a guy who’s been a 6/7 his entire career. This the the Brendan Smith contract part deux

Beat me to it
Well stated

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Kraken fan on the main boards:

Why are people insistenting he's a #6 or #7? Also, once again Stralman was a non-NHLer before he came to the Rangers. I don't care what Borgen was before he came here.

 

[markymarc1215]

Borgen has been a decent surprise but I am not feeling this contract at all. I am surprised Drury didn't offer him a NMC. Never change, Rangers. 5 years for a bottom pair defenseman who likely won't be in the NHL when this deal expires.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Borgen has been a decent surprise but I am not feeling this contract at all. I am surprised Drury didn't offer him a NMC. Never change, Rangers. 5 years for a bottom pair defenseman who likely won't be in the NHL when this deal expires.

All complete speculation because you want to be angry.

 

[Cmox]

Any player that comes in a changes their partners game is a win. Miller looks eons better, he was constantly making blaring mistakes before Borgen came. I have no issue with the contract. Even the movement clause isn't devastating. Now get a partner for Fox.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

As of now just shy over 74 million committed to next season.
You can go with Bettman’s number of 92.4 as per the current CBA or Friedman’S reporting “next year’s salary cap could actually be pushed well over the 5% growth limit up to as much as $95M to $97M.” *
*Which is subject to an agreement between the NHL and the NHLPA.
However it falls the team needs to sign:

3 LD
1 6/7 D
4 forwards
1 backup goalie

That’s 9 contracts on 18 million (known number) or Friedman’s speculation of 21M to 23M.
Either way offer sheets could be incoming.
Just ask Edmonton.
Drury once again bidding against himself. This time on a player that has had a good two week run. Not the sample size you should be basing decisions on for a billion dollar corporation.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

As of now just shy over 74 million committed to next season.
You can go with Bettman’s number of 92.4 as per the current CBA or Friedman’S reporting “next year’s salary cap could actually be pushed well over the 5% growth limit up to as much as $95M to $97M.” *
*Which is subject to an agreement between the NHL and the NHLPA.
However it falls the team needs to sign:

3 LD
1 6/7 D
4 forwards
1 backup goalie

That’s 9 contracts on 18 million (known number) or Friedman’s speculation of 21M to 23M.
Either way offer sheets could be incoming.
Just ask Edmonton.
Drury once again bidding against himself. This time on a player that has had a good two week run. Not the sample size you should be basing decisions on for a billion dollar corporation.

And yet it's enough to say that Kakko is this stud that we let get away.

 

[LOFIN]

There's literally no reason why people are up in arms over this deal based on his play rather than being angry about Kakko and the fact that Borgen isn't a big name defenseman. He has been good. Could they improve on him? Sure. But we just won a Presidents' Trophy with f***ing boat anchor Trouba on the second line and we got a steady and not spectacular defenseman that has steadied Miller's game. But people are up in arms over it. Why? If Drury didn't get him for Kakko no one would be upset over this. Oh and it's f***ing 4 million a year. How is that enough money to justify the anger? You'd think this was Trouba from 5 years ago.

I find it ironic how you are constantly complaining about people bringing up Kakko, yet it's you who brought him up in this thread. It seems you have taken the opposite approach to those who are pissed about the Kakko trade, and are trying to justify this extremely unnecessary contract with it.

4.1M is simply too much for a 3rd pairing defenceman, which Borgen ultimately is. The clauses suck as well.