Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Canucks -- 11/3/21

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This is absolutely a very reasonable take. 100%


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Lafreniere and Kakko have a combined 4 points in 15 games. All belong to Lafreniere. All of Lafreniere’s goals have been tap ins, along with a secondary assist. Stop being a sheep. They suck, and they’re the reason why our offense sucks.
 
That's a good question. Most people here said during the training camp that Kakko is not a fit with Panarin. Laf was tried with Kreider and Zib this season which didn't work, but he looked more than alright with Buch and Zib late last season. I wasn't concerned earlier but the last two games where Kakko and Laf were just not part of the game properly shows things are not alright.

At the end of the day the org, the coaching staff and the veterans have to integrate the kids to create a TEAM. As it is now it's the vets having their own fun (which makes them very rich) and the kids are on the outside looking in (Miller apart who is the golden child). Other organizations dare put their kids in game breaking situations and on the PP, to learn and grow if nothing else. But it seems there is not enough oxygen left for the kids with the Rangers.
I agree. We want to comfort ourselves by saying that the reason the kids aren’t integrated and aren’t scoring yet is because we have these high end vets taking the opportunity. But, what if the reason this is happening is because the kids are actually not that good and both the vets and the coach know it?

This is a weird, bad situation.
 
The state needs to step in and seize this organization from Dolan at this point. Make him, Sather, Drury, Gallant & co testify in front of congress like they did to the big tech CEO’s. Launch an audit into our prospect development. Investigate that money laundering pathetic excuse of a pizza joint Drury runs. Enough is enough.
 
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I vocally advocated for patience through the early games and said I’d withhold judgement until the 10 game mark.

10 games in we have a pretty good PK and team identity and a quality 4th line for a change. Unfortunately, even though most of our D has been decent or better, it’s hard to really say we’ve had good defense as much as we’ve had stellar goaltending. Shesterkin and Fox have been on a different planet to start the season.

But overall, despite having a more cohesive sort of team identity and concept, we do look worse than we did the past couple of years while complaining about Quinn. It’s nice to see some of the complaints that existed under Quinn addressed - namely identity, push back and an actual useful 4th line - but not at the expense of all offensive potency whatsoever and being unable to un-hem ourselves from within our own zone this regularly.

I get it’s 10 games under a new coach, so perhaps you could argue more patience is warranted, but for the most part the “system” doesn’t look that different and most of the players are the same. There’s not a really good excuse for the total impotence on offense right now. Zib and Strome both are “off” and Chytil, despite being given some opportunity, is showing nothing. Which in turn is showing that our center depth is a glaring weakness. If this is what to expect from Zib going forward, thats bad news for this club. Sure he potted the tap in from Panarin tonight, but this is the least engaged Zbad we’ve witnessed to date. Doesn’t bode well.

Panarin is heating up. Hopefully we’re realizing, organizationally, that Strome isn’t a long term solution nor someone we should be committing to. Kreider has been good. The kids are becoming a big concern. Kakko is in year 3, has zero points, and at some point looking good has to translate into something tangible. You’re only the next Hossa if you produce like Hossa. Otherwise you’re like… Mikael Frolik? Chytil is settling into dangerous territory. Definitely isn’t making a case for himself as a top six option but isn’t showing much as a center or type of player that’s fit for a third line role. Laf just looks so unsensational most of the time. But he also seems very comfortable and confident with himself and I wonder if the pre draft hype and WJC success, coupled with being drafted in a huge market and immediately heavily marketed due to his personality has made him a little more comfortable than he should be. When he played hungry in Montreal he looked good. The hunger he had to score in front of his family? He should have that hunger to be an actual NHLer player rather than taking it for granted that as the 1OA with the affable personality, the NHL is guaranteed for him.
So far, my assessment of Gallant is that he's gotten our role players to be actually good instead of Brett Howden.

The top talent, including the young guys, is the same. I needed them to be more engaged. Instead we're still looking at Zib and Panarin's totals and saying "how the f***?" in a good way (I guess) and looking at Laf and Kakko's totals and saying "how the f***?" in a bad way.
 
3. Panarin was responsible for both our goals. But gave two goals away as well. He was the reason the puck stayed in the zone on the first Miller goal and his no-look back pass to no one led to the GWG.
The dangle by KAM was the reason for GWG. Had he shot it right away, it would’ve likely ended different
 
And to keep it more real, both power play goals tonight were individual efforts again, not because of any good power-play play. Fox makes the brilliant carry up ice on the first one. Second one was off a faceoff and deflection.
Just ask @duhmetreE, who can't stand this PP group
 
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Really tough next 3 games...things could change very quickly if they don't shape up....we just need more than 2 to 3 guys showing up each game.
 
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I agree. We want to comfort ourselves by saying that the reason the kids aren’t integrated and aren’t scoring yet is because we have these high end vets taking the opportunity. But, what if the reason this is happening is because the kids are actually not that good and both the vets and the coach know it?

This is a weird, bad situation.
So all the kids we drafted suck? Yea I ain’t buying that. When all the apples go rotten, it’s time to look at the tree. 1 cup in 80 years, what makes you think we know how to develop star forwards? Who was the last one we developed? Arrogance is what this organization preaches. The statistical odds of all these kids being a bust as a result of nature rather than nurture seems slim to none.
 
Lafreniere and Kakko have a combined 4 points in 15 games. All belong to Lafreniere. All of Lafreniere’s goals have been tap ins, along with a secondary assist. Stop being a sheep. They suck, and they’re the reason why our offense sucks.
Again who is producing anything at 5v5 rn. This is a team issue more then anything.
 
So far, my assessment of Gallant is that he's gotten our role players to be actually good instead of Brett Howden.

The top talent, including the young guys, is the same. I needed them to be more engaged. Instead we're still looking at Zib and Panarin's totals and saying "how the f***?" in a good way (I guess) and looking at Laf and Kakko's totals and saying "how the f***?" in a bad way.
Panarin craps points. It makes things worse because it masks all the careless plays and nonchalant mistakes. He's played entirely perimeter. Nothing inside the dots.
 
No it’s more of a LaF/Kakko issue because they can’t click with their lines and perform like actual top 2 picks.
Ok Einstein what lines besides the 4th are clicking rn. This whole offense is putrid their shots on goal are consistently in the low 20s. This is just as much on our Hart caliber playing nowhere near his best and the center we just gave a large extension to then laf and kakko. Nothing is working rn outside of special teams Igor and Fox, maybe Kreider
 
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This team won’t win anything without Kakko and Lafreniere actually producing like their draft position
True, but it’s more than what you’re seeing at face value. Something is rotten under the hood pal, and not just them. It’s almost statistically impossible for all of our draft picks to bust. Anderson, Krav, Kakko, laf, Chytil? Fool me once, fine, fool me twice? When the apples go rotten, look at the tree. I know you’re upset at them, but there’s more to it here.
 
10 games in - including a road trip 6-2-2 under a new coach/system and everyone complaining

All I've seen is people thanking the Rangers' lucky star for being fortunate enough to have this points cushion as the kinks are being worked out (hopefully worked out).
 
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