Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Canucks -- 11/3/21
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Unironically he was a huge loss too, forgot to mention him.
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will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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The fourth line does. Rooney and Hunt forecheck great, but they just don't have the hands to finish
It was a weird goal, it's probably a fluke even if he loses more than he wins since it's 3 on 3. I believe Brodeur had some weird record in playoff OT where he was significantly under .500 and that's 5 on 5.
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Holy over reaction.
This team is 6-2-2 and more than half the team isn't even close to playing their best hockey.
We're 10 games into an 82 game season. Honestly it wouldn't hurt at this point for Lafreniere to watch a game from the press box. He's not going to find success as a perimeter player in this league. It's on the coaching to tell him this and work with him. Still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but for how much longer?
Goodrow needs to GTFO the top line. Put Kakko there and move Kreider back to the left. See if Kakko and Zib can get each other going.
Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Laf-Chytil-Goodrow
Panarin-Strome-Blais
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves
That's the ticket, I think.
Good night!
This team is 6-2-2 and more than half the team isn't even close to playing their best hockey.
We're 10 games into an 82 game season. Honestly it wouldn't hurt at this point for Lafreniere to watch a game from the press box. He's not going to find success as a perimeter player in this league. It's on the coaching to tell him this and work with him. Still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but for how much longer?
Goodrow needs to GTFO the top line. Put Kakko there and move Kreider back to the left. See if Kakko and Zib can get each other going.
Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Laf-Chytil-Goodrow
Panarin-Strome-Blais
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves
That's the ticket, I think.
Good night!
We need another like him ASAP. Let Berard and Cuylle marinate this year and maybe next and maybe we can get someone with a motor who can make some plays.
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Yea obviously I meant the people who are supposed to have a plan (top 9)
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It’s not as good as you seem to think either. Usually in the middle, but again, not as good as you think.
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Yeah no. Let’s stop with the excuses and realize that both Lafreniere and Kakko have been absolute garbage. Neither are NHL caliber players and so far they’ve only added to the long list of disappointing touted prospects we’ve had.
That's a good question. Most people here said during the training camp that Kakko is not a fit with Panarin. Laf was tried with Kreider and Zib this season which didn't work, but he looked more than alright with Buch and Zib late last season. I wasn't concerned earlier but the last two games where Kakko and Laf were just not part of the game properly shows things are not alright.
At the end of the day the org, the coaching staff and the veterans have to integrate the kids to create a TEAM. As it is now it's the vets having their own fun (which makes them very rich) and the kids are on the outside looking in (Miller apart who is the golden child). Other organizations dare put their kids in game breaking situations and on the PP, to learn and grow if nothing else. But it seems there is not enough oxygen left for the kids with the Rangers.
this especially. kakko has looked so close but disappears some nights too - it feels mental for him where he needs to get his mindset to making decisive plays when he has the puck in the zone and drive to the net...if he does he'll get one and some confidence. for him i feel like if he starts forcing the issue on getting shots in tight production will follow, and confidence from that could let him really break out. he definitely seems susceptible to the mental highs/lows and not producing is really in his head.
laf has really struggled to find ice with the puck and on the attack. he definitely still needs to get quicker. having much less of an impact than i've expected night to night in just creating possession and chances/shots. he's still so young so i wouldn't write him off by any stretch, but i'd be lying if i said i didn't expect him to be further along this year.
chytil is horrific. he's shown absolutely nothing, his speed is nowhere to be found, he hasn't gotten any stronger on the puck, hasn't gotten any more effective at defending. he truly has gone backwards in a big way. he looks the same as his rookie year out there...he's still what 22, but he's been in the league 4 years. at some point you gotta see something that says he has what it takes to make an impact in your lineup. idno what to think with him and what the best move is, but holy sht has he been useless to date. i'd like to at least get a look at what rooney,barron,richards show in that role. all are better on the defensive side of the puck, so the only risk you take is they provide less than the nothing he is offensively - in other words, there is none.
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Like I said, I think the vets are doing their status quo thing, and the kids are unsure what to do because they don’t want to step on their toes and make them upset?
It’s ridiculous. I think zib, Panarin, strome have a lot more say then what we’re led to believe. It’s like they’re actively trying not to integrate the kids on to their line.
the vets need to be given the kick in the ass
It’s ridiculous. I think zib, Panarin, strome have a lot more say then what we’re led to believe. It’s like they’re actively trying not to integrate the kids on to their line.
the vets need to be given the kick in the ass
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will1066
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The weakest 6-2-2, built on the backs of Fox and Shesterkin. Nearly every goal has been because of Fox. It's a house of cards. Reality will set in as soon as these two cool down or get worn down or both
I vocally advocated for patience through the early games and said I’d withhold judgement until the 10 game mark.
10 games in we have a pretty good PK and team identity and a quality 4th line for a change. Unfortunately, even though most of our D has been decent or better, it’s hard to really say we’ve had good defense as much as we’ve had stellar goaltending. Shesterkin and Fox have been on a different planet to start the season.
But overall, despite having a more cohesive sort of team identity and concept, we do look worse than we did the past couple of years while complaining about Quinn. It’s nice to see some of the complaints that existed under Quinn addressed - namely identity, push back and an actual useful 4th line - but not at the expense of all offensive potency whatsoever and being unable to un-hem ourselves from within our own zone this regularly.
I get it’s 10 games under a new coach, so perhaps you could argue more patience is warranted, but for the most part the “system” doesn’t look that different and most of the players are the same. There’s not a really good excuse for the total impotence on offense right now. Zib and Strome both are “off” and Chytil, despite being given some opportunity, is showing nothing. Which in turn is showing that our center depth is a glaring weakness. If this is what to expect from Zib going forward, thats bad news for this club. Sure he potted the tap in from Panarin tonight, but this is the least engaged Zbad we’ve witnessed to date. Doesn’t bode well.
Panarin is heating up. Hopefully we’re realizing, organizationally, that Strome isn’t a long term solution nor someone we should be committing to. Kreider has been good. The kids are becoming a big concern. Kakko is in year 3, has zero points, and at some point looking good has to translate into something tangible. You’re only the next Hossa if you produce like Hossa. Otherwise you’re like… Mikael Frolik? Chytil is settling into dangerous territory. Definitely isn’t making a case for himself as a top six option but isn’t showing much as a center or type of player that’s fit for a third line role. Laf just looks so unsensational most of the time. But he also seems very comfortable and confident with himself and I wonder if the pre draft hype and WJC success, coupled with being drafted in a huge market and immediately heavily marketed due to his personality has made him a little more comfortable than he should be. When he played hungry in Montreal he looked good. The hunger he had to score in front of his family? He should have that hunger to be an actual NHLer player rather than taking it for granted that as the 1OA with the affable personality, the NHL is guaranteed for him.
10 games in we have a pretty good PK and team identity and a quality 4th line for a change. Unfortunately, even though most of our D has been decent or better, it’s hard to really say we’ve had good defense as much as we’ve had stellar goaltending. Shesterkin and Fox have been on a different planet to start the season.
But overall, despite having a more cohesive sort of team identity and concept, we do look worse than we did the past couple of years while complaining about Quinn. It’s nice to see some of the complaints that existed under Quinn addressed - namely identity, push back and an actual useful 4th line - but not at the expense of all offensive potency whatsoever and being unable to un-hem ourselves from within our own zone this regularly.
I get it’s 10 games under a new coach, so perhaps you could argue more patience is warranted, but for the most part the “system” doesn’t look that different and most of the players are the same. There’s not a really good excuse for the total impotence on offense right now. Zib and Strome both are “off” and Chytil, despite being given some opportunity, is showing nothing. Which in turn is showing that our center depth is a glaring weakness. If this is what to expect from Zib going forward, thats bad news for this club. Sure he potted the tap in from Panarin tonight, but this is the least engaged Zbad we’ve witnessed to date. Doesn’t bode well.
Panarin is heating up. Hopefully we’re realizing, organizationally, that Strome isn’t a long term solution nor someone we should be committing to. Kreider has been good. The kids are becoming a big concern. Kakko is in year 3, has zero points, and at some point looking good has to translate into something tangible. You’re only the next Hossa if you produce like Hossa. Otherwise you’re like… Mikael Frolik? Chytil is settling into dangerous territory. Definitely isn’t making a case for himself as a top six option but isn’t showing much as a center or type of player that’s fit for a third line role. Laf just looks so unsensational most of the time. But he also seems very comfortable and confident with himself and I wonder if the pre draft hype and WJC success, coupled with being drafted in a huge market and immediately heavily marketed due to his personality has made him a little more comfortable than he should be. When he played hungry in Montreal he looked good. The hunger he had to score in front of his family? He should have that hunger to be an actual NHLer player rather than taking it for granted that as the 1OA with the affable personality, the NHL is guaranteed for him.
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Kravtsov wearing Bart Simpson pajamas laughing his ass off right now as Drury sends a “U up?” text
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A frustrating way to lose.
Just need to make a few changes.
1. Must take Kakko off that Panarin line. He would do much better with Zib and Kreider. That line is screaming for a facilitator. And someone who can win board battles. The offense dies on Goodrow's stick and it really limits that line scoring at 5v5.
2. Goodrow needs to be the defensive guy on the strome/panarin line. Those two desperately need Goody. They don't bother passing to Kakko anyway. Might as well put someone out there that just plays D. I hate that Kakko is forced to be the defensive player on that line. It's burying him.
3. Panarin was responsible for both our goals. But gave two goals away as well. He was the reason the puck stayed in the zone on the first Miller goal and his no-look back pass to no one led to the GWG.
4. Blais was really out of position on that 2nd goal. Just floating in the D zone as he tends to do. His game has really leveled off since his hot start. I would demote him to the 4th line with Mckegg and Rooney and I'd put Hunt with Laf and Fil.
5. Finally... a big difference between wins and losses this season will be games where we generate dirty, hardhat goals. Plays around the net. Rebounds, deflections, crash the net goals. I can't even remember the last rebound goal this team scored. Its a problem. You cannot win in this league relying on the pretty goals. You need the lunchpail, ugly ones. And you need them on the reg. It's really frustrating that we're not generating any of those goals lately. We must make a practice at scoring that way or the season will really go down the drain as we head down the stretch and teams tighten up. This is the part of the year where you build that identity for that. We're now through 10 games. We're not generating these goals outside of Kreider's deflections/tip ins. But we need Goody, Kakko, Chytil, Laf, Hunt, Blais to focus on this. It's a must.
Just need to make a few changes.
1. Must take Kakko off that Panarin line. He would do much better with Zib and Kreider. That line is screaming for a facilitator. And someone who can win board battles. The offense dies on Goodrow's stick and it really limits that line scoring at 5v5.
2. Goodrow needs to be the defensive guy on the strome/panarin line. Those two desperately need Goody. They don't bother passing to Kakko anyway. Might as well put someone out there that just plays D. I hate that Kakko is forced to be the defensive player on that line. It's burying him.
3. Panarin was responsible for both our goals. But gave two goals away as well. He was the reason the puck stayed in the zone on the first Miller goal and his no-look back pass to no one led to the GWG.
4. Blais was really out of position on that 2nd goal. Just floating in the D zone as he tends to do. His game has really leveled off since his hot start. I would demote him to the 4th line with Mckegg and Rooney and I'd put Hunt with Laf and Fil.
5. Finally... a big difference between wins and losses this season will be games where we generate dirty, hardhat goals. Plays around the net. Rebounds, deflections, crash the net goals. I can't even remember the last rebound goal this team scored. Its a problem. You cannot win in this league relying on the pretty goals. You need the lunchpail, ugly ones. And you need them on the reg. It's really frustrating that we're not generating any of those goals lately. We must make a practice at scoring that way or the season will really go down the drain as we head down the stretch and teams tighten up. This is the part of the year where you build that identity for that. We're now through 10 games. We're not generating these goals outside of Kreider's deflections/tip ins. But we need Goody, Kakko, Chytil, Laf, Hunt, Blais to focus on this. It's a must.
I'd like to see Laf/Chytl/kakko for the full "invisibility" line.
Nah no one is texting Kravtsov because not having his entitled ass is not the reason they lost.
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KK and Laf see hardly any quality PP time because we have a loaded ass 1st unit
they also dont play with fox which would help
they also dont play with fox which would help
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