Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Canes

[mas0764]

First game for a while for me and I sacrificed my night's sleep only to get annoyed. I dont know but in my eyes Rangers 5 on 5 game is far away from leagues top.

Its not suprise we lose to the top teams when our posession metrics for every player is under 50%.

TOP4:
Kaapo Kakko: 49,9 CF%
Chris Kreider 48.9 CF%
Ryan Strome 48,4 CF%
Adam Fox 48 CF%

Our Shots/GP is 28, only Seattle and Arizona behind us.

Yeah, analytics doesnt tell whole story but they tell something. I just wonder where Rangers would be without Igor and our powerplay.

If the metrics were mediocre maybe you could say well goaltending and ST will make up for it.

But they aren’t, they are downright terrible. People are fooling themselves.

 

[mas0764]

Trading for players is not going to fix anything.

This is a coaching issue. A X's and O's problem. Need to make some major adjustments

It’s both.

 

[mas0764]

They need to reconfigure the lines so that Laf and Kakko are featured prominently and not just afterthoughts on a line with two vets.

How about Laf - Zib - Kakko? Force him to look for someone else besides Kreider.

The old traditional pairings are too comfortable. They aren’t getting going relying on Strome-Panarin and Zibanejad-Kreider. Neither pair is doing anything at 5 on 5.

 

[mas0764]

Maybe the reason was they didn't want to play with him anymore?

That’s why coaches should be in charge and players shouldn’t be.

 

[mas0764]

We are not there yet which is why there should be a bigger emphasis on developing certain guys including Barron, Schneider, Lundquist, Jones and the obvious.

And not trading any of them.

 

[duhmetreE]

First game for a while for me and I sacrificed my night's sleep only to get annoyed. I dont know but in my eyes Rangers 5 on 5 game is far away from leagues top.

Its not suprise we lose to the top teams when our posession metrics for every player is under 50%.

TOP4:
Kaapo Kakko: 49,9 CF%
Chris Kreider 48.9 CF%
Ryan Strome 48,4 CF%
Adam Fox 48 CF%

Our Shots/GP is 28, only Seattle and Arizona behind us.

Yeah, analytics doesnt tell whole story but they tell something. I just wonder where Rangers would be without Igor and our powerplay.

Kreider has been, by far, our best forward. That line has been held back by Zibs. Zibs, like the rest of the team, just isn't engaged. He's been better, as of late but he's not where he needs to be or where he has been in the past. Everyone is slow, watches the puck and reactive.. which leads to us chasing the play. Our forecheck is just as bad as our transition/puck movement/puck support. There's so many things wrong with this team 5v5.

We can't get the puck out of our own zone with possession and/or, god forbid, speed. Even if the player has talent like Fox, there is literally no where to go with the puck to maintain possession and spring the breakout. We do not use the middle of the ice. We do not support the puck. There is so much wrong with this team 5v5. It beyond personnel. We have some of the best talent in the world and they have been atrocious 5v5. This isn't something relegated to 1 or 2 lines.

We need to re-evalutae the X's and O's. There needs to be a better plan put in place. There needs to be some for of tactics and system to propel the players. 'Just play and work harder' is half of it. A team like Carolina does that in spades AS WELL as being light years ahead of us tactically. Everyone knows their roles and what their teammates are doing at any given time.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

I woke up this morning and realized that I'm still a Caesar.

All good

Welcome home...

 

[Gordon Bombay]

The issue isn’t so much Strome in my opinion it’s that at center he has the puck A TON and he always looks to Panarin. That line could really use a somewhat talented but more gritty 3rd wheel who has a good 2-way presence. Ideally that player would be a center and they could slide Strome over to wing. He would then be a backup C option throughout the season in case of an injury somewhere.

The issue to me is the whole league knows how Strome and Panarin want to play. It works some nights, doesn't work others. It's not what Gallant wants to play either.

Strome was a different player when Panarin was out with Covid. Effective too. I really was hoping they would finally break those two up.

 

[duhmetreE]

It’s both.

It's heavily sided to the system or the execution of it. Yes, there's room for improvement when you have Hunt in your top6 but this team is so bad at 5v5.

It's predominantly a teamwork/teamplay issue. No one creates space/lanes. No one supports the puck. No one attacks. No one gets to scoring areas. If I had to guess our gameplan is be slow, react and chase the play. This might be the worst Rangers team that I can remember 5v5. It's a failure because the 'system' or the execution of the system is a failure. There's a major disconnect. I get Gallant is not a major X's and O's guy but that is what we need.

If the personnel is not executing the gameplan, something drastic needs to change. Our front office needs to get their head out of their asses and take the necessary steps. It's been the same song since covid hit... Prior to covid, this team and our 'stars' were playing a relentless and aggressive brand of hockey that Quinn preached.... WTF is going on

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Ok, now that the dust settled. We were outclassed by the Canes BUT, I like that they didn't just wilt and die. We're likely losing this game with Shesty in net too, but I don't think Gallant did the right thing starting Georgiev. It felt like he's telling his team "you'll lose either way so I'll give Georgiev the start". What kind of message does that send?

 

[Boris Zubov]

Ok, now that the dust settled. We were outclassed by the Canes BUT, I like that they didn't just wilt and die. We're likely losing this game with Shesty in net too, but I don't think Gallant did the right thing starting Georgiev. It felt like he's telling his team "you'll lose either way so I'll give Georgiev the start". What kind of message does that send?

You're a much better MMQB than you are an air traffic controller.

 

[mas0764]

It's heavily sided to the system or the execution of it. Yes, there's room for improvement when you have Hunt in your top6 but this team is so bad at 5v5.

It's predominantly a teamwork/teamplay issue. No one creates space/lanes. No one supports the puck. No one attacks. No one gets to scoring areas. If I had to guess our gameplan is be slow, react and chase the play. This might be the worst Rangers team that I can remember 5v5. It's a failure because the 'system' or the execution of the system is a failure. There's a major disconnect. I get Gallant is not a major X's and O's guy but that is what we need.

I do suspect this issue is still at the root of why Kakko and Laf are doing nothing. Quinn was definitely to blame and when I heard Gallant would bring an “up tempo” approach I was enthusiastic. But this looks like more of the same all around, just with a better Shesterkin and Fox.

 

[mas0764]

I don't even know why we're still talking about him.

We have the best defenseman on the planet, one of the most expensive defensemen on the planet, and like a top five defensive prospect on the planet and they all play the same side.

The biggest reason DeAngelo isn't here is because we didn't have a spot for him.

The real shame is we couldn’t parlay his ridiculous offensive stats into a young forward.

 

[mas0764]

What happened to Jones, anyway? I thought he was good.

Did he get covid?

He got “can’t have two rookie defensemen on the same pairing” ‘d.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

The real shame is we couldn’t parlay his ridiculous offensive stats into a young forward.

That's mainly my biggest issue. They lost DeAngelo for nothing.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

That’s why coaches should be in charge and players shouldn’t be.

99 percent of coaches let their star player play with who they are comfortable with.

 

[Do you want ants]

Ok, now that the dust settled. We were outclassed by the Canes BUT, I like that they didn't just wilt and die. We're likely losing this game with Shesty in net too, but I don't think Gallant did the right thing starting Georgiev. It felt like he's telling his team "you'll lose either way so I'll give Georgiev the start". What kind of message does that send?

He’s pretty much done this all season when dealing with B2Bs. He’ll play the lesser goalie in the toss up/likely loss game. I’d wager it has to do with accumulating points. Shesty will play against these teams throughout the season.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It's heavily sided to the system or the execution of it. Yes, there's room for improvement when you have Hunt in your top6 but this team is so bad at 5v5.

It's predominantly a teamwork/teamplay issue. No one creates space/lanes. No one supports the puck. No one attacks. No one gets to scoring areas. If I had to guess our gameplan is be slow, react and chase the play. This might be the worst Rangers team that I can remember 5v5. It's a failure because the 'system' or the execution of the system is a failure. There's a major disconnect. I get Gallant is not a major X's and O's guy but that is what we need.

If the personnel is not executing the gameplan, something drastic needs to change. Our front office needs to get their head out of their asses and take the necessary steps. It's been the same song since covid hit... Prior to covid, this team and our 'stars' were playing a relentless and aggressive brand of hockey that Quinn preached.... WTF is going on

The team is still riddled with holes. No top 6 rws, no 3c, no 5d.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You're a much better MMQB than you are an air traffic controller.

Nothing MMQB about it. I said, as well as many that it was a dumb move to begin with. Georgiev has been playing much better lately so we should have been able to beat the Coyotes with him.

 

[rangersfansince08]

First game for a while for me and I sacrificed my night's sleep only to get annoyed. I dont know but in my eyes Rangers 5 on 5 game is far away from leagues top.

Its not suprise we lose to the top teams when our posession metrics for every player is under 50%.

TOP4:
Kaapo Kakko: 49,9 CF%
Chris Kreider 48.9 CF%
Ryan Strome 48,4 CF%
Adam Fox 48 CF%

Our Shots/GP is 28, only Seattle and Arizona behind us.

Yeah, analytics doesnt tell whole story but they tell something. I just wonder where Rangers would be without Igor and our powerplay.

I mean I think the problem is we are not hovering around 48-49%. If we were at 48% we would be a true contender with our goaltending and ST. We are closer to 44% on the season and obviously much worse in games like last night.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Negatives: we lost

positives: I turned the game off to play Hades after the 1st period

 

[will1066]

To be fair to Gallant, he tried Kakko with Strome and Panarin. He tried Chytil. It wasn't Hunt there all game. There was still no spark whoever was there in that spot.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Nothing MMQB about it. I said, as well as many that it was a dumb move to begin with. Georgiev has been playing much better lately so we should have been able to beat the Coyotes with him.

Wasn't referring to your predictions, but your demeanor. You're two different posters, one during the GDTs & another the morning after. Nobody can deny your passion or your fandom & I find it entertaining.

I used to get as emotional as you do in my early 20s. There was no forum for me to advertise my insanity for all to see at that point in time, luckily.

 

[Ola]

f*** me. I’m just tired of our young forwards not even being close to the level of other teams’. I’m sick of it. Credit to the Hurricanes. Fantastic rebuild. Fantastic player development.

What did we expect, Quinn didn’t even give them PP time when we were out of the POs?

Ask me 5 years ago what would happen if you drafted a player 1-2 overall, brought them to the NHL but didn’t give them any PP minutes, and I would have said yiikes that is risky, yada yada yada. Why? Because it’s super obvious that it is if you have followed the NHL for three decades.

Why didn’t Gorton react? Why didn’t JD react? Not acceptable.

 

[Ola]

5 on 5 linemates are overrated. PP is what matters.

Are their exceptions? For sure.