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Confirmed with Link: Rangers Acquire Rights to RW Barclay Goodrow; Signs Contract (6 Years, $3.642M AAV)

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duhmetreE said:
You can't continue to make bad decisions and then focus on your earlier bad decisions as the main problem

Trouba is a 40% overpay.
Kreider is an unfortunate timing
Goodrow is a 40% overpay.

We have A LOT of RFA's and UFAs coming up. Setting a poor precedent
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So what is the alternative here? I’m on the record saying I would be perfectly fine heading into this season with exactly the same roster, but that’s not the consensus around here. Everyone seems to want some combination of grit, a center, and/or a LD.

we added sandpaper and everyone is freaking out. What did they think a cup winning gritty player would cost? What’s the alternative? Handing Danault 6M for 5 or 6 years?
 
nyr2k2 said:
Yeah, exactly all of this. I really enjoy the analytics side of the sport (what I can understand anyway), and generally like reading Shayna and Dom and some of the others out there. I do think, as you stated, that there is a human element to things that can't be quantified. You can measure what happens on the ice, but the off-ice stuff about changing a team's mindset and approach, the leadership certain guys provide, things like that, can't be quantified. I'm not making Goodrow out to be some hockey messiah, but I think his contributions to the team will be felt in a number of ways, only some of which can really be measured.

EDIT: Shayna had a piece the other day about Zibanejad vs. Eichel, and while it provided some really interesting analysis and figures, it basically only mentioned in passing the serious question marks around Eichel's health, as well as Zibanejad's concussions. I think that was because, again, it's something you can't measure. That's obviously a totally different "unmeasurable" than what we're talking with Goodrow, but it's the same point that there are always factors to be considered beyond the numbers.
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I’m good with bringing on a guy to make us tougher to play against. Especially with Gallnt and his forechecking/high energy style. The years are much much more than I would like, and I worry about injury with a guy like this. But what’s done is done, I’m definitely not losing sleep over it.

But what’s really getting annoying is people pretending this was expected. This was nearly double what everyone expected. I mean the May/June roster building thread is full of predictions. Nearly every poster has Goodrow in their team.

The smug “what do you expect???” Shit is tired. Not from you, just in general. People are full of shit “expecting” this deal. “It’s more than I thought but I’m fine with it” is one thing. We got dudes on here who claimed he would be under 3 bc RNH came in at 5 suddenly shit posting everyone who doesn’t love this deal
 
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duhmetreE said:
You can't continue to make bad decisions and then focus on your earlier bad decisions as the main problem

Trouba is a 40% overpay.
Kreider is an unfortunate timing
Goodrow is a 40% overpay.

We have A LOT of RFA's and UFAs coming up. Setting a poor precedent
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I'm curious how did you come up with the 40% figure?
 
duhmetreE said:
The only comparable here is Tanev. You give him AAV or term. Not both. EVEN THEN, NONE of these players were just signed to this type of deal in this depressed/flat cap market.

This is like buying a house for 2008 price in a 2011 market. You can twist it any way you want. The house is nice but you've overpaid.
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And those are just playoff teams. If the goal it to just make the playoffs, as pretty much half the teams do, that is a pretty mediocre bar height.
 
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I understand that you dont want to carry bad contracts because it affects the cap adversely, but how can you formulate the type of team you want and not overpay for a few contracts at the same time? Has any team been able to do that and win?

The only way that really happens is if you have a few star players who take a lot less to stay with a team and you luck out in the draft in all areas. If you are trying to piece a team together partly through free agency to fill holes and needs its impossible not to have bad contracts. And then you have to resign the players who developed well near market value if you want to retain them. It's not realistic.

If someone is getting paid 40% more than what you are thinking they should get, what kind of player is replacing them at +/- 5%?. Is there any team that has the perfect mix of players who are right for the team and salary cap?
 
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Laffy Taffy said:
So what is the alternative here? I’m on the record saying I would be perfectly fine heading into this season with exactly the same roster, but that’s not the consensus around here. Everyone seems to want some combination of grit, a center, and/or a LD.

we added sandpaper and everyone is freaking out. What did they think a cup winning gritty player would cost? What’s the alternative? Handing Danault 6M for 5 or 6 years?
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The alternative was Gorton dropped the ball with Fast and midseason with Bennett. Other than that, I like the Goodrow trade but I think we bid outbid ourselves. I do not see a 'contending team' giving that contract. 3.6M is fine with shorter term. 6 years is fine but with lower AAV. not both.

People are freaking out on the bad long term contract. I love the add and hate the contract. It's becoming an issue.
 
NYR Viper said:
4%? I think it's more, no? There is 0% in Florida.

New York State Income Tax: 2021 Rates, Who Pays - NerdWallet
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Players pay tax on a game-by-game basis, based on where they play. The 0% is only for games in FL, TX, NV, WA etc.

The difference between TBL and NYR is roughly the home games only. So that's 50% of the season. So the state income tax for NY is 6% up to 1m, 9% up to 5m.

So that's a difference of roughly 4-5% of the total base salary compared to a 3.6m contract in Tampa
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Players pay tax on a game-by-game basis, based on where they play. The 0% is only for games in FL, TX, NV, WA etc.

The difference between TBL and NYR is roughly the home games only. So that's 50% of the season. So the state income tax for NY is 6% up to 1m, 9% up to 5m.

So that's a difference of roughly 4-5% of the total base salary compared to a 3.6m contract in Tampa
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Got it, that 4-5% makes sense. I thought you meant the difference in state taxes was 4-5%, I was like, huh?
 
I swear some people here don't even like this team. Ranger fans "we need playoff experience, grit, versatility and the ability to chip in". Also Ranger fans "we dont wanna pay for that"
If the rumor is true we are paying him roughly 2.75 mill more than Howden, I'm ok with that.
 
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Tawnos said:
Guys making over $3m, 3rd or 4th line, for playoff teams in 20-21 - based on the lines tracker thread on the Trade Board, which is reasonably correct most of the time

Boston: DeBrusk ($3.675m), Coyle ($5.25m)
Carolina: Staal ($6m)
Colorado: Burakovsky ($4.9m), Donskoi ($3.9m), Compher ($3.5m) - Compher played 2C at the end of the playoffs due to Kadri suspension
Edmonton: None
Florida: Hornqvist ($5.3m)
Minnesota: Parise ($7.538m), Fiala ($3m), Bonino ($4.1m)
Montreal: Byron ($3.4m)
Nashville: None - closest was Sissons at $2.8m.
NY Islanders: Pageau ($5m), Clutterbuck ($3.5), Cizikas ($3.35)
Pittsburgh: Tanev ($3.5m)
St Louis: Bozak ($5m), Hoffman ($4m),
Tampa: Gourde ($5.166m), Johnson ($5m)
Toronto: Kerfoot ($3.5m) - the 2C in the playoffs due to Tavares injury
Vegas: Tuch ($4.75m)
Washington: Eller ($3.5m), Oshie ($5.75m)
Winnipeg: Dubois ($5m), Perreault ($4.125m), Lowry ($2.916m - ok, close enough)

My point? There's a whole lot of hand-wringing going on over the kind of thing pretty much every successful team does. Are a lot of those deals too much money to pay a third liner? Yes, they are. Does it happen anyway? Yes it does. Does it hurt team's chances of success? Nope.
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This sums up that the deal for Goodrow is in line with 3rd line playoff teams. Nice work!
 
TominNC said:
Aren’t you buying out a cap balanced amount?

isn’t the front load just to make it easier to deal the contract in the last couple years to a team with cap room?
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I'm good with trading the contract at the back end even if we have to retain a few dollars back.
 
KreiderBomb said:
I swear some people here don't even like this team. Ranger fans "we need playoff experience, grit, versatility and the ability to chip in". Also Ranger fans "we dont wanna pay for that"
If the rumor is true we are paying him roughly 2.75 mill more than Howden, I'm ok with that.
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This is why GM's make the money they do. Everyone wants to play Monday Morning QB
 
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