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Confirmed with Link: Rangers Acquire Rights to RW Barclay Goodrow; Signs Contract (6 Years, $3.642M AAV)

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Tawnos said:
Right. It's almost more a bit of luck when teams do find them. Maybe luck combined with a development system that can truly convince guys that they need to adjust their games, because they don't have enough skill to do as well as they did in juniors/college.
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Coaching definitely can help unlock it, but some of these types of players have to be lucky enough to find themselves in a position to show it on a successful team during a run. If they never get the chance they may never reach that potential

That’s what’s so great about playoff hockey. It’s really a different game and that’s why it’s so important to get the young kids any playoff experience so they understand the mentality and effort needed to win.

Goodrow can help impart some of that experience and when they get there he can set the example. To me that is valuable and something worth paying extra for
 
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Again, I’m on board with this signing in theory, but there is a real risk that Goodrow’s best is behind him. Players like this are so effective because they are hungry. Is this guy still hungry after winning the Cup and getting paid? We’ll see.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Coaching definitely can help unlock it, but some of these types of players have to be lucky enough to find themselves in a position to show it on a successful team during a run. If they never get the chance they may never reach that potential

That’s what’s so great about playoff hockey. It’s really a different game and that’s why it’s so important to get the young kids any playoff experience so they understand the mentality and effort needed to win.
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I do think young players can build up to it. We had our own in Dubinsky and Callahan. Oddly enough, early in his career Kreider was more that way. A lot of people point to the MSL storyline in 2014 as what changed things for the team, but I always think about how Kreider was hurt for the first round and first 3 games of the second round. In game 5, team is down 3-1, AV put him on the top PP unit in the first period when it's 0-0. He makes a diving effort to keep the play alive in the offensive zone, then drives to the front of the net and picks up a huge goal. As much as everything else going on with MSL, I think of that as a turning point in the series. There are always glimpses of that Kreider, but he's never been able to sustain it. Then again, he's never had a linemate who plays that way either. Depending on what happens with the rest of the lineup, Kreider-Chytil-Goodrow could be a hell of a thing to watch.
 
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Synergy27 said:
Again, I’m on board with this signing in theory, but there is a real risk that Goodrow’s best is behind him. Players like this are so effective because they are hungry. Is this guy still hungry after winning the Cup and getting paid? We’ll see.
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I can see the argument for motivation post payday, but was he any less hungry this season after winning last year?

some guys are just crazy competitive. He seems like one of those guys. Money isn’t going to change that.
 
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This kind of got lost in the shuffle for me - what’s the deal with Goodrow being exposed?

Could Seattle select him or would Drury have to make a deal to hold onto him?
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
This kind of got lost in the shuffle for me - what’s the deal with Goodrow being exposed?

Could Seattle select him or would Drury have to make a deal to hold onto him?
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Seattle could select him. Seattle could also try to sign him to a contract and that would use their selection from the Rangers. Which is why the terms of the deal are already out there - so Seattle won't bother.
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
This kind of got lost in the shuffle for me - what’s the deal with Goodrow being exposed?

Could Seattle select him or would Drury have to make a deal to hold onto him?
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UFAs can't be selected. They can only be signed, and if they agree to sign with Seattle prior to the expansion draft, then they become the pick from our team. There was never any worry that Goodrow would choose to sign with Seattle.
 
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Tawnos said:
Guys making over $3m, 3rd or 4th line, for playoff teams in 20-21 - based on the lines tracker thread on the Trade Board, which is reasonably correct most of the time

Boston: DeBrusk ($3.675m), Coyle ($5.25m)
Carolina: Staal ($6m)
Colorado: Burakovsky ($4.9m), Donskoi ($3.9m), Compher ($3.5m) - Compher played 2C at the end of the playoffs due to Kadri suspension
Edmonton: None
Florida: Hornqvist ($5.3m)
Minnesota: Parise ($7.538m), Fiala ($3m), Bonino ($4.1m)
Montreal: Byron ($3.4m)
Nashville: None - closest was Sissons at $2.8m.
NY Islanders: Pageau ($5m), Clutterbuck ($3.5), Cizikas ($3.35)
Pittsburgh: Tanev ($3.5m)
St Louis: Bozak ($5m), Hoffman ($4m),
Tampa: Gourde ($5.166m), Johnson ($5m)
Toronto: Kerfoot ($3.5m) - the 2C in the playoffs due to Tavares injury
Vegas: Tuch ($4.75m)
Washington: Eller ($3.5m), Oshie ($5.75m)
Winnipeg: Dubois ($5m), Perreault ($4.125m), Lowry ($2.916m - ok, close enough)

My point? There's a whole lot of hand-wringing going on over the kind of thing pretty much every successful team does. Are a lot of those deals too much money to pay a third liner? Yes, they are. Does it happen anyway? Yes it does. Does it hurt team's chances of success? Nope.
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Sure but it means you can’t also have Buch making 6.5m and eventually being passed by Kakko and Kravtsov.

I see lots of teams listed there with like one or two names. It happens, but the Rangers are now basically out of runway for more moves like that and it’s very early in their reconstruction.

Not trading Kreider is gonna cost us the luxury of keeping Buch as a 2/3 RW (plus the assets we would have gotten from trading him). Buch is gonna have to bring back a lot in trade to make that exchange worthwhile.
 
3.6 at 6 years is an absolutely awful contract. Woof, I hope it doesn’t get to that.

Don’t care what he has won. You don’t pay a player of his caliber this much on a team that’s going to have some massive players to resign in the coming years.

I agree that the Rangers are a bottom 3 and bottom 2 from being a solid playoff team, nothing more. That’s a really good problem to have. But long term, contracts like this aren’t sustainable.
 
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Sure but it means you can’t also have Buch making 6.5m and eventually being passed by Kakko and Kravtsov.

I see lots of teams listed there with like one or two names. It happens, but the Rangers are now basically out of runway for more moves like that and it’s very early in their reconstruction.

Not trading Kreider is gonna cost us the luxury of keeping Buch as a 2/3 RW (plus the assets we would have gotten from trading him). Buch is gonna have to bring back a lot in trade to make that exchange worthwhile.
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Most of those teams have a similar number of players in their top-9 making the money that our top-9 is going to be making in the short term. I'm not particularly worried about it.
 
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Machinehead said:
I think the Rangers (as always) are going to be caught up in this idea of they have to get tougher, they have to #battle, etc. etc. etc. and I think there's this obsession with the Islanders based on TWO f***ING GAMES and this myth that the Islanders are tough.

I disagree. I think the Rangers need to forecheck a bit better and play better defense at the forward position. Outside of that one line, the Islanders are f***ing two-ply. Their entire lineup is Ryan Strome outside of Barzal and Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck. What they do well is they have an excellent system, which the Rangers have attempted to address with a coaching change.

What Goodrow does is fit right into both of these schools of thought. He can play defense, he forechecks, and coaches love him. He's also a #warrior and "wins in da alleys" and he's gonna scratch that itch so I don't have to watch the Rangers throw Cody McLeod at every problem again.

Signing an actual good NHL player to do the things and stuff this org is obsessed with is harm reduction and I'm willing to pay for it.
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I sometimes want to violently punch you in the face....

But this post..

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I’ll ask again — if we signed Goodrow for 5 X 3.25.. What’s the difference in the grand scheme of things?

I get the term and the AAV is a tad higher than we hoped.. But we’re getting a versatile player that we desperately need. 3C? 2RW? 3RW? #1PK?

When we win a close, hard fought game 3-2 with Goodrow playing well and providing our team with what we lack, his cap hit of 3M + whatever won’t matter.
 
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mas0764 said:
Sure but it means you can’t also have Buch making 6.5m and eventually being passed by Kakko and Kravtsov.

I see lots of teams listed there with like one or two names. It happens, but the Rangers are now basically out of runway for more moves like that and it’s very early in their reconstruction.

Not trading Kreider is gonna cost us the luxury of keeping Buch as a 2/3 RW (plus the assets we would have gotten from trading him). Buch is gonna have to bring back a lot in trade to make that exchange worthwhile.
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With his NMC and contract, that's easier said than done.
 
People worried about a couple years and a few hundred grand overpayment aren't seeing this as it is. He is a necessary player who helps change the culture here, one who if he doesn't work out is an easy trade with salary retained or an easy buyout in a few years. Its not like his buyout would cash strap us, but i honestly think we will get value from him in a lot of areas and we won't have to look at this for 4 or 5 years, and then we can deal with it if its a problem then.
 
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Just to confirm, the Rangers cannot technically sign Goodrow until after the expansion draft, right?
 
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