Confirmed with Link: Rangers acquire Patrick Kane, Cooper Zech for 2023 2nd (Becomes 1st in 2024 or 2025 if NYR Make ECF), 2025 4th, A. Welinski; Condt'l 2025 3rd to AZ

[McRanger92]

The cap space is meaningless to AZ. The dollars aren’t. Rangers could’ve done better here.

It wasnt meaningless to the Rangers though. It was the most important aspect of the trade and they had no leverage. Either way, I'm not losing sleep over a 2025 3rd or whatever it was

 

[irishlaxburger2]

It wasnt meaningless to the Rangers though. It was the most important aspect of the trade and they had no leverage. Either way, I'm not losing sleep over a 2025 3rd or whatever it was

We had no leverage in the Arizona trade or the Kravtsov trade, and the return shows it.

Chicago had no leverage in the Kane trade, and the return shows it.

Overall, the two trades should likely be viewed as one by Rangers fans and the value is overall still average to quite strong (depending on who you ask). I think the Rangers won here, though not by as much as what the singular Chicago return would suggest.

 

[McRanger92]

I see no realistic path to re-signing Kane or Tarasenko. Am I wrong?

Kane is going to be their top priority, followed closely by the Kids. They'll make it work. Theres still lots of uncertainty with the cap situation league wide, I dont think we can rule anything out or in until the season is over. I'm going to just enjoy the ride until then.

 

[Kovalev27]

I can’t read the negativity about this deal right now. You’re embarrassing yourself if you’re upset about giving up a conditional pick for Patrick Kane with the team we have right now. Absolutely embarrassing yourself.

Even if you draft everyone on your team when you get to true contender status you still empty the pot to get your team over the edge. Look at the teams around us. They’re all doing the same thing. We gave up NOTHING compared to what they’re giving up.

Only a young naive kid would cry about this. When you get these chances and there are few and far between when talking about a 32 team league, you absolutely shoot your shot. This is going to be fun.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

We had no leverage in the Arizona trade or the Kravtsov trade, and the return shows it.

Chicago had no leverage in the Kane trade, and the return shows it.

Overall, the two trades should likely be viewed as one by Rangers fans and the value is overall still average to quite strong (depending on who you ask). I think the Rangers won here, though not by as much as what the singular Chicago return would suggest.

As much as Kane wanted to be with the Rangers, he wanted to make sure the team, city and fans got something of value for him.

Who knows if the Kane camp said he would only sign off on the trade unless a first was somewhere in the deal. I thought at one point he or his agent was quoted saying that.

It isnt a first straight up, but given Kanes confidence - reaching the conference finals was probably good enough for him (and Drury, since it would be at the bottom of the round).

While this may not have happened, we never know the entire story as fans. If true, that would give Chicago a little more leverage.

I also think as much as GMs around the league want to fleece other teams, they know (especially Drury and all of the NTCs he has on the payroll) they very well could have a situation of their own arise that mirrors Kane and Giroux's. Its kind of an unspoken respect for the process in giving the teams SOMETHING of value for a franchise great you have to move or the alternative is nada. A karma thing but, the rest of the league also takes notice

 

[nsvoyageurs]

um, wasn't Mike Richter drafted in the second round? John Gibson, Corey Crawford, Tristan Jarry, Demko, Markstrom, Allen, Hart... It's not the players. It's the scouts. It's just that sometimes in some drafts, those goalies pop up in later rounds.

I was just messing around and referring to the Rangers specifically. Obviously some goalies have come after the first round

 

[Daves a mess]

Kane is going to be their top priority, followed closely by the Kids. They'll make it work. Theres still lots of uncertainty with the cap situation league wide, I dont think we can rule anything out or in until the season is over. I'm going to just enjoy the ride until then.

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I can’t read the negativity about this deal right now. You’re embarrassing yourself if you’re upset about giving up a conditional pick for Patrick Kane with the team we have right now. Absolutely embarrassing yourself.

Even if you draft everyone on your team when you get to true contender status you still empty the pot to get your team over the edge. Look at the teams around us. They’re all doing the same thing. We gave up NOTHING compared to what they’re giving up.

Only a young naive man would cry about this. When you get these chances and there are few and far between when talking about a 32 team league, you absolutely shoot your shot. This is going to be fun.

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[bhamill]

Why? I still trade a first and spare parts for Tarasenko AND Mikkola 10 out of 10 times. Look what rentals are going for throughout the league. We got more bang for our buck than anyone.

Yeah Dmen like Mikkola have been the opposite of cheap this deadline, that was a SOLID deal getting Tarasanko AND him for that price.

 

[mas0764]

A couple of things:

1. Are we not like Colorado? I think we are a lot like them, the only difference being that their high end guys (MacKinnon and Makar) are a bit better than our high end guys (Zib and Fox).

2. The big issue is that Laf and Kakko are good, but not great. Kakko might be as good as Rantanen someday. Laf is not going to be anywhere near as good as Mac.

How were we going to realistically be more like Colorado in your vision? Win the lottery a few more times until a generational talent became available?

You don't need to win a lottery to get a high end talent, Zegras went 8th.

And yeah, that is the point I've made many times.... for us to be that elite team, we need Laf and Kakko and Chytil to reach that elite status. If they did so quickly, we would essentially be there now. Since they haven't, we are flirting with a scenario where by time they get there Kreider, Panarin, etc, may not be elite anymore.

Should have continued to have patience when the kids weren't instant stars.

 

[McRanger92]

You don't need to win a lottery to get a high end talent, Zegras went 8th.

And yeah, that is the point I've made many times.... for us to be that elite team, we need Laf and Kakko and Chytil to reach that elite status. If they did so quickly, we would essentially be there now. Since they haven't, we are flirting with a scenario where by time they get there Kreider, Panarin, etc, may not be elite anymore.

Should have continued to have patience when the kids weren't instant stars.

Why? Is the spot we're in now not a much better scenario? The object is to win games at the end of the day.

 

[Fitzy]

On the picks- to be honest, I was hoping we'd deal older prospects like Jones and Robertson instead of actual picks, but maybe those guys just don't have the value that a draft pick has to a rebuilding franchise.

I hope they make the best of those two assets, whether it be trading them for picks at the draft or giving both a real shot again in camp next season.

 

[mas0764]

When the Rangers are on the other end of these deals, Drury gets his dick chopped off.

There will come a day if Drury is still here with the Rangers being on the other end of these trades. No f***ing excuses about Drury getting the benefit of the doubt when the deals look like shit. When it comes times to move some of the big contracts in the summer of 2024, first round picks and top prospects better be the return. Drury better get a good deal for Goodrow this summer.

We better get the Jeannot package for Goodrow.

Why? Is the spot we're in now not a much better scenario? The object is to win games at the end of the day.

The object is to win Cups, and I'm expressing what the better approach to doing that is by my estimation.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

We better get the Jeannot package for Goodrow.



The object is to win Cups, and I'm expressing what the better approach to doing that is by my estimation.

I like Goodrow, but yeah, if a team offers the Jeannot package for him, then bye bye

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

You don't need to win a lottery to get a high end talent, Zegras went 8th.

And yeah, that is the point I've made many times.... for us to be that elite team, we need Laf and Kakko and Chytil to reach that elite status. If they did so quickly, we would essentially be there now. Since they haven't, we are flirting with a scenario where by time they get there Kreider, Panarin, etc, may not be elite anymore.

Should have continued to have patience when the kids weren't instant stars.

Fox, elite. Zib, elite. Panarin (for as much shit as he gets) elite. Kreider, Tarasenko, Kane, Torcheck, Trouba, Lindgren, while not elite still damn good. You make it like this team is devoid of top end talent. They have stars everywhere. There is not a more talented forward group, top to bottom, in the league than the Rangers.

 

[mas0764]

You make it like this team is devoid of top end talent.

That's not what I said at all and is a mischaracterization of my argument.

There is not a more talented forward group, top to bottom, in the league than the Rangers.

I don't know about that. Depends how they play down the stretch.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

That's not what I said at all and is a mischaracterization of my argument.



I don't know about that. Depends how they play down the stretch.

You said because the kids aren't stars yet we're not elite. Show me a better group of forwards 1-12.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I can’t read the negativity about this deal right now. You’re embarrassing yourself if you’re upset about giving up a conditional pick for Patrick Kane with the team we have right now. Absolutely embarrassing yourself.

Even if you draft everyone on your team when you get to true contender status you still empty the pot to get your team over the edge. Look at the teams around us. They’re all doing the same thing. We gave up NOTHING compared to what they’re giving up.

Only a young naive man would cry about this. When you get these chances and there are few and far between when talking about a 32 team league, you absolutely shoot your shot. This is going to be fun.

And what's amazing with the whining from some is they gave up basically nothing in terms of players and prospects and acquired Tarasenko, Kane, Mikkola, and Motte.

 

[haohmaru]

It wasnt meaningless to the Rangers though. It was the most important aspect of the trade and they had no leverage. Either way, I'm not losing sleep over a 2025 3rd or whatever it was

I just they they could’ve done better. AZ wasn’t the only option.

 

[mas0764]

You said because the kids aren't stars yet we're not elite. Show me a better group of forwards 1-12.

I'll show you a handful of teams who I'd say probably are better than us as TEAMS.

The kids becoming stars would probably change that.

 

[haohmaru]

We better get the Jeannot package for Goodrow.

A fleecing like that occurs once in a generation.

 

[bhamill]

Why should we commit to build around youth now when we just made the best team we have had and will have in years

If this doesn’t work then by all means. Go do that. But we are past that point

We ARE building around youth: Fox, Laf, Kakko, Schneider, Chytil, Lindgren, Miller are ALL young and aren’t going anywhere. And we gave up none of the young guys we want to start filling in. As it turns out, win now and building around youth are NOT mutually exclusive.

 

[mas0764]

A fleecing like that occurs once in a generation.

Maybe. It was an epic bad deal by Tampa.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This cup formula conversation has been debunked so many times that it just needs to die.

Yes, teams have built through the draft and won but teams have also done a combo of building through the draft AND trading away assets to get it done (LA being the shining example of this) or brought in a ton of pieces from the outside (Blues.)

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I'll show you a handful of teams who I'd say probably are better than us as TEAMS.

The kids becoming stars would probably change that.

i'll just take two. Which teams have a better forward group than the Rangers?

 

[mas0764]

i'll just take two. Which teams have a better forward group than the Rangers?

Who cares? That's not what I'm talking about.

It also depends. If Tarasenko and Kane play like 80-90 point players that's different than Tarasenko and Kane playing as 0.45 ppg players.