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Confirmed with Link: Rangers acquire Patrick Kane, Cooper Zech for 2023 2nd (Becomes 1st in 2024 or 2025 if NYR Make ECF), 2025 4th, A. Welinski; Condt'l 2025 3rd to AZ

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haohmaru said:
This narrative that you can "draft a good player" is throwing darts at a dart board.
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I think our history in the last decade has proven otherwise.

I feel relatively confident that we can probably hit on half of our first round picks in the 20s.

Also even if the player never plays for you long term (Nils), the player as a prospect is still an asset. And assets can be better spent on improving your team long term than for two months where they are not even fully integrated and have no chemistry (see Tarasenko).

haohmaru said:
Kane becomes a first IF we make the ECF's, in which case you're looking at a draft pick that's 25th or later. In this year's deep draft that might be a thing but the Rangers didn't trade this year's pick.

In a "normal" draft, 25th or later doesn't guarantee you an NHL player much less a "good player". The only thing it guarantees is an opportunity to grab the best player available and hope it works out.

And, for what it's worth, I'm with you - I'd much rather trade for someone that has a future with the team beyond the end of the season + playoff run. Kane, apparently, might have a 2 year deal in him with the NYR.
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Would make things a good bit better.

Also, like I said, if Drury had gotten that contingency to be "Stanley Cup Finals appearance" instead of "ECF appearance," I like the deal a lot more. I still don't ever really approve of giving up a first for a rental, but it's way more palatable.

Because if you get out of the conference, your odds of winning the Cup rise dramatically. Instead, we may have to fork that pick over after two grueling rounds against NJ and Carolina only for the honor of being dispatched by Boston quickly.

I kinda think that is very possibly the most likely outcome if everything gels. Boston is such a powerhouse right now.
 
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haohmaru said:
This narrative that you can "draft a good player" is throwing darts at a dart board. Kane becomes a first IF we make the ECF's, in which case you're looking at a draft pick that's 25th or later. In this year's deep draft that might be a thing but the Rangers didn't trade this year's pick.

In a "normal" draft, 25th or later doesn't guarantee you an NHL player much less a "good player". The only thing it guarantees is an opportunity to grab the best player available and hope it works out.

And, for what it's worth, I'm with you - I'd much rather trade for someone that has a future with the team beyond the end of the season + playoff run. Kane, apparently, might have a 2 year deal in him with the NYR.
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It's not 25th or later if they make the ECF. It's next years first, not this. It can be anything up to the point they protected.
 
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Tob said:
Big here that Drury gets to keep not just the 2023 1st but the better of the two. Theres added value to not trading this year's first.
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I've been saying, he must have a few guys that are not 'high profiled' as far as the 1sts go, that he really likes. It could just be practicing good values and knowing that he'd like to keep his cupboards stocked etc... but he was really adamant through this deadline he keep one of his two 1sts, and that it's the lower one.

Day 1 of the draft is going to be awesome, as usual.
 
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mas0764 said:
It WAS a realistic goal at one point to become like Colorado. The Rangers have made their bed and continue to do so, but I don't have to like their choices.
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A couple of things:

1. Are we not like Colorado? I think we are a lot like them, the only difference being that their high end guys (MacKinnon and Makar) are a bit better than our high end guys (Zib and Fox).

2. The big issue is that Laf and Kakko are good, but not great. Kakko might be as good as Rantanen someday. Laf is not going to be anywhere near as good as Mac.

How were we going to realistically be more like Colorado in your vision? Win the lottery a few more times until a generational talent became available?
 
mas0764 said:
I wouldn't say I'm ignoring it, but I have a different opinion on the team's likelihood of winning now versus later.

Fox and the kids aren't going anywhere. Zibanejad is here for 8 years. Miller is young, we have a stable of young defensemen.

The "vet" nearing the end is Kreider. Panarin may decline as well. Trouba would be a benefit if we moved him, actually, given how much he's paid (ie, we can probably find two equal or better players for his salary).

You make a couple tweaks with some of our past moves (the Buch trade, not trading Kreider at the deadline, etc) and we have prolonged and improved the window, and you aren't staring at a team of "uh oh better win right now" veterans, but instead a young team that has a sprinkling of older guys who aren't ready to kick off anytime soon (ie, I expect Panarin will continue to be a first line player till he's like 37).

I'm with Machinehead on Igor. If his contract demands get ridiculous, trade him. Goalies don't win in this league and anyone citing some urgency to win while he's cheap probably has the wrong idea of what it takes to win the Cup. You need elite forwards and skill way more than goaltending. That's an easily solvable issue.

It WAS a realistic goal at one point to become like Colorado. The Rangers have made their bed and continue to do so, but I don't have to like their choices.

And if they don't win the Cup in the next 2 seasons, which is probably the outcome that occurs, they've substantially weakened their future chances. That doesn't mean they have no future or no hope to win in a renewed window, it just could have been stronger, but they chose to walk in the middle of the road and now neither window is as good as it could have been.
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I actually empathize with a lot of this post, except the final line. I don’t think anyone can realistically claim that Drury could have done a better job of putting the best possible roster together in this window.

Is this window perhaps coming at the expense of the next window? I won’t disagree with that. But he didn’t hurt both windows. He’s maximizing this one for sure, but perhaps at the small expense of the next one.
 
Does anyone know if Kane is having a media day at MSG today? I'm in my office and can swing by pretty quickly.
 
RangerBoy said:
When the Rangers are on the other end of these deals, Drury gets his dick chopped off.

There will come a day if Drury is still here with the Rangers being on the other end of these trades. No f***ing excuses about Drury getting the benefit of the doubt when the deals look like shit. When it comes times to move some of the big contracts in the summer of 2024, first round picks and top prospects better be the return. Drury better get a good deal for Goodrow this summer.
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You are overreacting to this. The Rangers only traded an excess first because it got them multiple players in the Tarasenko/Mikkola deal, and Blais off the books. Kravtsov also wasnt a top prospect and had 0 value league wide. The 3rd they gave up was right in line with what shouldve been expected when you consider that Arizona retained almost a million more in salary than Minnesota did in the O'Reilly deal.
 
haohmaru said:
The cap space is meaningless to AZ. The dollars aren’t. Rangers could’ve done better here.
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Arizona knew that the cap dollars were absolutely needed by the Rangers though, and Arizona didn’t need to make this trade for any reason. Thus, they had the leverage and the cap dollars outweighed the real dollars in this negotiation.

Same reason why the Kravtsov return was so poor. Vancouver (and everyone else in the league) knew the Rangers needed to make the deal to make Kane work. Thus, they had zero negotiating leverage.
 
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Only thing that I'm disappointed about today is that the likelihood of such a fun and intense trade deadline week is not going to be like this again for the Rangers for a long time.

Whether you were on board with these moves or not, it was amazing with the cap blender voodoo.

I mean, the odds of this working out, to me, would be only lifting Lord Stanley.

I personally, with a gun to my head, wouldn't bet on us. Don't ask me who I'd bet on. You won't like my answer.

I'm a grit and size guy along the walls in a playoff series. Greasy goals win series. But man, would I love this crazy skill team to stick it up my cooley with that projection.

Unlike many here, I LOVE to be wrong.

But I'm gonna root my ballz off for this squad and give Chris Drury credit for having a humongous sac.

This was a blast.
 
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Crease said:
I see no realistic path to re-signing Kane or Tarasenko. Am I wrong?
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Nope.

NYR might offer Kane a token deal (something borderline insulting like 2x4) and plan to move some cap (Lindgren/Goodrow) on the odd chance he accepts it, but I don't think the conversations will extend beyond that.

In fact, we can probably get a couple mid round picks for flipping their negotiating rights at the draft like with Yandle.
 
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