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Confirmed with Link: Rangers acquire Patrick Kane, Cooper Zech for 2023 2nd (Becomes 1st in 2024 or 2025 if NYR Make ECF), 2025 4th, A. Welinski; Condt'l 2025 3rd to AZ

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I didn't see it (but I also didn't look around), but what would be the proposed lineup now?
 
Taluss said:
Why should we commit to build around youth now when we just made the best team we have had and will have in years

If this doesn’t work then by all means. Go do that. But we are past that point
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But it hasn't worked and they keep abandoning it midstream citing your very same argument again and again. But this year is THE year..... I've heard six times before.

Next year will be "THE" year to go all in again just like last year was and this year is.

Maybe it will work this time, it's certainly possible. But your original post that I quoted was "They are trying to win, so why not?"

Well no shit they are trying, they are ALWAYS trying to win, the problem is they habitually do not understand how to win which is building a team around cheap, dynamic, offensive talented youth. The Rangers have had a real problem doing that..... well, basically forever. The Rangers are ALWAYS the team that tries to shortcut by trading for or signing the older "good" players from other teams who drafted them. Their best period of success post-1994 is a time in which they actually did partially commit to building around young drafted players like Hank, Callahan, Staal, etc.

The argument that they should make these trades "because they are trying to win," is besides the point. They were trying to win when they traded for Theo Fleury too.

A far better argument is that they haven't given up enough assets to derail long term sustainability around a home-drafted or home-developed core; it's an argument I wouldn't really agree with because I despise giving up first round picks and because I don't think their home-grown core is good enough yet, but, at least it's an argument worth making.
 
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haohmaru said:
Commentary on TB giving up 5 picks for a tuffness player?
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Awful, foolish move.

haohmaru said:
I mean, you're always throwing them out there as a beacon of light to be followed so what's your take on 5 picks for Tanner f***ing Jeannot?
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Not sure you are understanding what has caused their success, then, which is what I want to emulate.
 
TominNC said:
We added vets with winning pasts and talent as in 94, BUT we still have a full line of young forwards and a young defensive core. We still have Othmann, Jones, Robertson, Cuylle and others. They’re taking a real shot after an ECF run and still have some fall back AND this year’s first.

And people still complain.
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And that was the discussion earlier this year. Giving up a prime prospect and potentially 2 firsts for Kane.

They got Tarasenko, Mikkola and Kane for a 23 first and hopefully a 24/25 first, and kept everyone important.

Im not going to allow myself to get upset, just to get upset. The franchise wasnt turned over for this run. Theres always risk. If Drury stood pat with the current roster, he wouldve been put out to pasture by almost every fan...
 
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Hire Sather said:
Not giving up any prospects/D depth is good.

It's not easy to get through a playoff run healthy. We just might see Zac Jones again.

Forward depth is a little concerning after the starting 12. Jake, Brods, Cuylle.. who else?
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Carpenter, and also Othmann could be available in the playoffs potentially but I think thats a longshot.
 
TominNC said:
We added vets with winning pasts and talent as in 94, BUT we still have a full line of young forwards and a young defensive core. We still have Othmann, Jones, Robertson, Cuylle and others. They’re taking a real shot after an ECF run and still have some fall back AND this year’s first.

And people still complain.
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I think this is the anti-94 trade deadline. It's like the Rangers actually learned from a past mistake. I'm shocked to be honest. Instead of gutting the system and shipping out all the young roster players, they added two guys for reasonable prices and now the team is stacked while still having a 1st this summer and all our young guys we started the season with (except for Kravtsov, which was a bad deal, I still think the kid has potential, but if he demanded out behind the scenes not much you can do).

We have a chance of actually winning and also progressing forward with young players. It's bizzaro world as a Rangers fan.
 
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haohmaru said:
He'd be jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge had the Rangers done the Jeannot deal
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Oh yeah I'd be livid.

This is nothing. I'm excited about Kane.

I just refuse to tow the company line that trading away firsts over and over again is good. It isn't.
 
mas0764 said:
But it hasn't worked and they keep abandoning it midstream citing your very same argument again and again. But this year is THE year..... I've heard six times before.

Next year will be "THE" year to go all in again just like last year was and this year is.

Maybe it will work this time, it's certainly possible. But your original post that I quoted was "They are trying to win, so why not?"

Well no shit they are trying, they are ALWAYS trying to win, the problem is they habitually do not understand how to win which is building a team around cheap, dynamic, offensive talented youth. The Rangers have had a real problem doing that..... well, basically forever. The Rangers are ALWAYS the team that tries to shortcut by trading for or signing the older "good" players from other teams who drafted them. Their best period of success post-1994 is a time in which they actually did partially commit to building around young drafted players like Hank, Callahan, Staal, etc.

The argument that they should make these trades "because they are trying to win," is besides the point.

A far better argument is that they haven't given up enough assets to derail long term sustainability around a home-drafted or home-developed core; it's an argument I wouldn't really agree with because I despise giving up first round picks and because I don't think their home-grown core is good enough yet, but, at least it's an argument worth making.
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You're asking Taluss to have a better argument with you by recommending a slightly different debate point? What?
 
Synergy27 said:
If this team flames out they can turn around and trade Kreider, Panarin, and whatever else (Zib?) and try again with the kids as new core.

Are you telling me that trading all of the above doesn’t net us more than what we gave up over the last two seasons?
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Our ability to acquire multiple firsts for Kreider, Panarin, Trouba, etc, doesn't offset what we gave up. We could have those picks AND the ones we just gave away. The trades must be looked at in a vacuum, not at what will happen in future deals.

Not that I'm saying we need to trade every veteran on the team.

I do endorse trying to rectify giving up these picks by monetizing Trouba and Kreider in the near-ish future and using their cap space to re-sign Kane/Tarasenko and extend the kids. It would lessen the sting of these deals, but the deals still sting. And will all the moreso if we don't win the Cup this year.
 
Sooooooooooooooo, we gonna talk about the hip injury thing? Whats the deal, whats been reported and whats your feeling on it? In my gut, its just not gonna pan out and we are not getting the electrifying Patrick Kane. I truly believe that's why we got him for so little.....
 
Synergy27 said:
If this team flames out they can turn around and trade Kreider, Panarin, and whatever else (Zib?) and try again with the kids as new core.

Are you telling me that trading all of the above doesn’t net us more than what we gave up over the last two seasons?
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Not really...you saw what we just gave up for a guy with a full NMC...on an expiring deal. All of our guys have term....bloated term with the exception of Kreider.
 
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Crease said:
Panarin - Zibanejad - Kane
Lafreniere - Chytil - Kakko
Kreider - Trocheck - Tarasenko
Motte - Goodrow - Vesey
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This is what I’d like to see, as well.
Still need a depth defenseman, I’d think. Wonder if they’ll call up Robertson to fill in for Miller? Audition time. They could fit him, I’d think, if they send down Carpenter. Or maybe that ship has sailed?
 
Albatros said:
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BRING BACK THE HOME WHITES!!!!!
 
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