Confirmed with Link: Rangers Acquire Jacob Trouba for Neal Pionk and 20th Overall Pick - Part II

[Levitate]

I'd say there are at least 13 debatable, Karlsson, Doughty, Burns, Jones, Parayko, Pietrangelo, Carlson, Ekblad, Byfuglien, Letang, Weber, Subban, Ellis, Pesce. If you expect Trouba to put up 50 pts on the Rangers, I think those expectations are a little high unless they are also able to create something similar to who he was passing to on the Jets.

Which is partially why I don't really love this idea if Trouba is going to ask for 9-10M, he was on a pretty stacked Jets roster, not quite sure the Rangers are going to be able to get to that level as the #2 pick, Zbad maybe Kravtsov could be the only ones who are on par with stuff like Wheeler, Scheifele, Laine, Byfuglien, Morrissey, Ehler.

Letang (aging and injury prone), Weber (not actually that good except for his shot) and Ellis (good but ehh...) are guys I"d say are definitely debatable being ahead of Trouba at this point if you're making a list. I also think Pesce is a little overrated these days but that may just be a dumb bias for some reason. Also never been a huge fan of Ekblad, I could think of him as debatable.

That said I haven't checked the fancies.

Also saying that the #2 pick is less likely to be on the level of Zibanejad and Kravtsov sure is a hot take. NOthing is certain but Kakko or Hughes definitely has higher potential than anyone else on the Rangers roster or in their farm system.

As for whether they're doing this rebuild right...I guess we'll find out in years to come but so far it's pretty consistent with what they said they were going to do. They always said they were going to be not just stockpiling draft picks but also looking for young players ready to contribute and that this wasn't intended to be some tear down to draft picks only and rebuild purely with picks or something.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Also, John Carlson is a horrible defensive player with inflated point totals due to who he plays with.

 

[Off Sides]

I think hes better thant he bolded, with Subban being the only one who you can actually debate (he looked like he was starting to decline last season.)

Agree with the others being ahead of him, with Parayko being the lone one in that group who I'd consider being "debatable."

I probably should not have said better or above or below or whatever I said, I think he is in that tier, better than some worse than others, more so my brain was thinking in terms of value on their cap hits, not so much what those players will be like over their whole contracts.

My initial post was more about why I would understand the Rangers wanting Trouba, and why I think he will get a cap hit that is above what an equivalent LD player in that tier would get.

 

[Kovalev27]

I am not so sure they did this rebuild right. Beyond the #2 pick, we could be looking at a whole lot of players who are not going to be considered elite, a couple may just be a notch below, yet several others could be several notches down.

Believe me there are guys Lias Anderson at 7 cough that are going to flame out. That was a hell of a miss to start the rebuild off. But guys like Kravtsov and Kakko and Miller and Guys like DeAngelo Zibanejad and Trouba are going to be or already are legit talents.

The two wildcards for me on whether we hit homeruns or not are Chytil and Fox. I love Chytil but his iq around the net has always bothered me. Just gets too jumpy. If he can settle down he’s going to be a big time player for us. Fox I’ve got to say the times I’ve seen him I just have never came away impressed. But I can count those times on 2 hands while the rest of the time he’s flat out dominated every level. He just doesn’t skate well and that scares me for a guy his size playing D

But if those two guys turn out to be what we hope they’re going to be we’ll be in really good shape because I love the support cast. Hajek Howden Rykov Lemieux Buchy Skjei and the two goalies are legit.

 

[Off Sides]

Letang (aging and injury prone), Weber (not actually that good except for his shot) and Ellis (good but ehh...) are guys I"d say are definitely debatable being ahead of Trouba at this point if you're making a list. I also think Pesce is a little overrated these days but that may just be a dumb bias for some reason. Also never been a huge fan of Ekblad, I could think of him as debatable.

That said I haven't checked the fancies.

Also saying that the #2 pick is less likely to be on the level of Zibanejad and Kravtsov sure is a hot take. NOthing is certain but Kakko or Hughes definitely has higher potential than anyone else on the Rangers roster or in their farm system.

As for whether they're doing this rebuild right...I guess we'll find out in years to come but so far it's pretty consistent with what they said they were going to do. They always said they were going to be not just stockpiling draft picks but also looking for young players ready to contribute and that this wasn't intended to be some tear down to draft picks only and rebuild purely with picks or something.

I was comparing the #2 pick, Zbad to Wheeler, Scheifele, etc. Saying that the Jets with or without Trouba had more players on a higher tier than the Rangers most likely will even after they select #2.

 

[Off Sides]

Believe me there are guys Lias Anderson at 7 cough that are going to flame out. That was a hell of a miss to start the rebuild off. But guys like Kravtsov and Kakko and Miller and Guys like DeAngelo Zibanejad and Trouba are going to be or already are legit talents.

The two wildcards for me on whether we hit homeruns or not are Chytil and Fox. I love Chytil but his iq around the net has always bothered me. Just gets too jumpy. If he can settle down he’s going to be a big time player for us. Fox I’ve got to say the times I’ve seen him I just have never came away impressed. But I can count those times on 2 hands while the rest of the time he’s flat out dominated every level. He just doesn’t skate well and that scares me for a guy his size playing D

But if those two guys turn out to be what we hope they’re going to be we’ll be in really good shape because I love the support cast. Hajek Howden Rykov Lemieux Buchy Skjei and the two goalies are legit.

That I'll agree with, things are going to have to break really right for the Rangers to have a roster on par with what the Jets had.

Which is where my concern is, I just don't see Trouba being the Pietrangelo. I'm not so sure I see anyone beyond the #2 pick, Zbad, Kravtsov, possibly being that sort of playoff hero so to speak. I'm not sold on Chytil yet I do think it's plausible he could be added to them. I feel that like by the time Miller, etc are ready and in their prime, Zbad is probably out of his.

Which is why I'd love to see them add more to that plausible list, yet I'm not so sure they are going to be drafting where the #2 pick, Kravtsov, were drafted, or that there will be another Zbad to be traded for. I think if they do draft next year in the lottery again they'd have a much better chance at doing so, yet now with Trouba, Zbad, Skjei, etc, plus whoever emerges, I just don't see them finishing in early lottery position.

Not that it's all bad, just would have liked to see them go with the sell, draft in early lottery position again as now I think they're going to have to find some other, and likely more expensive, way to add those plausible future playoff hero(s)

 

[Kovalev27]

Well right or wrong they’re going all in on panarin. Whether they get him or not is another story but it won’t be because they don’t realize they need a veteran game changer and are ready to break the bank to get one. They aren’t waiting around that’s for sure.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Well right or wrong they’re going all in on panarin. Whether they get him or not is another story but it won’t be because they don’t realize they need a veteran game changer and are ready to break the bank to get one. They aren’t waiting around that’s for sure.

Has there been a recent report contradicting the one a week or two ago that said our interest had cooled a bit?

 

[Kovalev27]

If there was a report saying that our interest has cooled I certainly didn’t see it. Everything I’ve heard or read says they’re going all in.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I will try to find it again. It was one of the TSN guys; Friedman or Mckenzie probably.

And perhaps I'm remembering wrong.

 

[True Blue]

Well right or wrong they’re going all in on panarin. Whether they get him or not is another story but it won’t be because they don’t realize they need a veteran game changer and are ready to break the bank to get one. They aren’t waiting around that’s for sure.

There is absolutely no evidence of that at all. Not even a little bit. There is only evidence that they will check in on him. How does that signal "all in"?

Gorton will check in and should check in. That is what good GM's do. There are also ways for him to wind up here. But they are patient as opposed to not waiting around for a veteran. There is nothing tos support your stance.

 

[mas0764]

Believe me there are guys Lias Anderson at 7 cough that are going to flame out. That was a hell of a miss to start the rebuild off. But guys like Kravtsov and Kakko and Miller and Guys like DeAngelo Zibanejad and Trouba are going to be or already are legit talents.

The two wildcards for me on whether we hit homeruns or not are Chytil and Fox. I love Chytil but his iq around the net has always bothered me. Just gets too jumpy. If he can settle down he’s going to be a big time player for us. Fox I’ve got to say the times I’ve seen him I just have never came away impressed. But I can count those times on 2 hands while the rest of the time he’s flat out dominated every level. He just doesn’t skate well and that scares me for a guy his size playing D

But if those two guys turn out to be what we hope they’re going to be we’ll be in really good shape because I love the support cast. Hajek Howden Rykov Lemieux Buchy Skjei and the two goalies are legit.

Someone is gonna need to explain to me why it's treated as a foregone conclusion that Andersson was a miss. Casey Mittelstadt was the only player in serious consideration that they could have gone with instead.

Is he going to be a top line player? No, but why is it assumed he will not be a good second liner at this point?

 

[will1066]

This is New York. Not saying it's right or wrong, but one of the league's marquee franchises in one of the biggest markets naturally can do with a marquee player.

 

[will1066]

Also, John Carlson is a horrible defensive player with inflated point totals due to who he plays with.

This thought has crossed my mind about Trouba. How much of his good numbers was because of the talent who played with him?

 

[Kovalev27]

There is absolutely no evidence of that at all. Not even a little bit. There is only evidence that they will check in on him. How does that signal "all in"?

Gorton will check in and should check in. That is what good GM's do. There are also ways for him to wind up here. But they are patient as opposed to not waiting around for a veteran. There is nothing tos support your stance.

No evidence? The only thing you don’t have is Gorton saying we want panarin. Every other media guy on the planet has said it or written about it. .

 

[Fireonk]

Someone is gonna need to explain to me why it's treated as a foregone conclusion that Andersson was a miss. Casey Mittelstadt was the only player in serious consideration that they could have gone with instead.

Is he going to be a top line player? No, but why is it assumed he will not be a good second liner at this point?

Spoiler alert. Any one who has definitively called Andersson a bust has yet to respond to the fact that not a single other player that was being discussed in the range of that pick has done anything at the NHL level yet. But weirdly enough they will only single him out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This thought has crossed my mind about Trouba. How much of his good numbers was because of the talent who played with him?

His production 5v5 has been good for years though.

Carlson puts up a crap load of points on the PP sliding the puck over to OV. Now that isn't all of his game as he's quite good offensively all together, but those totals are crazy inflated and he doesn't play his position all that well.

 

[True Blue]

No evidence? The only thing you don’t have is Gorton saying we want panarin. Every other media guy on the planet has said it or written about it. .

Media guys on the planet write a whole bunch of things. Like the Rangers looking to bring back Kevin Hayes. Some have better sources than others. But that does not change the fact that it is nothing but speculation. And even with that, NONE of these media guys made it look like Gorton is salivating and will stop at nothing to bring back Hayes.

All of our internal sources said the Gorton will check in on him. That is what the media is speculating on. Which he should. That is hard inductive of him sprinting with a golden apple to Panarin's doorstep on 7/1.

 

[Kovalev27]

Media guys on the planet write a whole bunch of things. Like the Rangers looking to bring back Kevin Hayes. Some have better sources than others. But that does not change the fact that it is nothing but speculation. And even with that, NONE of these media guys made it look like Gorton is salivating and will stop at nothing to bring back Hayes.

All of our internal sources said the Gorton will check in on him. That is what the media is speculating on. Which he should. That is hard inductive of him sprinting with a golden apple to Panarin's doorstep on 7/1.

So hf sources say check in. And the media all say we’re all in but you say no evidence.

I promise you he will be our first phone call.

 

[True Blue]

So hf sources say check in. And the media all say we’re all in but you say no evidence.

I promise you he will be our first phone call.

Sorry, that holds as much weight as me guaranteeing that it won't be.

Once again, checking in hardly signifies going all in on him. Going all in has not come from any of the media sources nor our own insiders. That is nothing but some fans' desire.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

So hf sources say check in. And the media all say we’re all in but you say no evidence.

I promise you he will be our first phone call.

I haven’t seen any media report use the words all in

 

[Kovalev27]

Jesus we’ve been linked to this guy for a year now by everyone now there’s no evidence. Ok

I mean what have we all been talking about here for the past 12 months lol

 

[ecemleafs]

Jesus we’ve been linked to this guy for a year now by everyone now there’s no evidence. Ok

I mean what have we all been talking about here for the past 12 months lol

There is a big difference between being linked with someone and going all in on someone. The rangers get linked with damn near every big name.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Our boy has landed in Vancouver!


edit - wrong thread dammit

 

[True Blue]

Jesus we’ve been linked to this guy for a year now by everyone now there’s no evidence. Ok

I mean what have we all been talking about here for the past 12 months lol

You said it right. "WE HERE" have been talking about it. But that is just our wishes, either pro or con. The media "linked" us to Panarin the exact same way that they "linked" the Rangers to a returning Hayes or trading for Karlsson or signing Karlsson. There has been nothing but hits and allegations. There has bee nowhere that has made it seem like your statements that Gorton and JD are "all in" on him. NONE of the papers said it. NONE of our own insiders said it. All that was done was taking a statement that Gorton would check in on him (and again, why would he not and who wouldn't??) and re imagining it into he is all in on him.

I imagine that Gorton has a plan of what he wants to do. And if there is something that he has demonstrated, it is that he can be patient and get things done on his terms. Not mine, yours or frankly Panarin's.