GDT: Rangers 2019 Training Camp Thread: Part II
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GeorgeKaplan
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Strome ‘won’ the 2C spot because Quinn subscribes to the ‘First is the Worst, Second is the Best’ method I guess
Irishguy42
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Preseason is the crucible of hot takes.
It will somewhat subdue once the season gets about 10-games in.
i don't think strome won the 2C spot at all...it was more chytil lost the spot. strome is getting the spot cause none of the kids are ready or took the opportunity by the horns. which is exactly why he was still on the roster
GeorgeKaplan
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I’d argue that Andersson has and deserves to be the 2C
Inferno
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Yeah I'd agree with this. I also think strome has looked better than howden or chytil and deserves the 3c over those 2.
DutchShamrock
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Or Quinn watched practice and games. Chytil didn't seize a golden opportunity. Maybe there is a touch of veteran preference. But the second line center is more than pick skills and potential. Chytil isn't ready.
Which is still the same as Strome winning it. I don't have a horse in the race. I want all of them to succeed. People want Strome to fail so bad they have to say things like this to rationalize any success.
I can agree with this. Which is why I think veteran's preference is possible. This is the first time Lias has played with a purpose and confidence. I can see the coach easing it in and seeing how everyone does when the real season starts. These lines won't exist next week.
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Not many teams have as many roster question marks as the rangers though. There's a lot of due diligence for Quinn.
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Not singling you out, but I'd argue that declaring '2C' makes Joe Fan feel informed. Consolation prize: "F3" on the chalk board.
Re: Lias, he doesn't 'deserve' that spot, IMO. Seems like a big leap. Then again, so many of these spots are interchangeable. 2nd line one day, one injury or tweak and Player x is bumped throughout the lineup. All of the slots are subject to change, we make too much out of each 'line' (IMO).
I don't see an issue with Strome playing center. Strome himself went through it with the Islanders early in his career where he played wing instead of center.
Backchecking, face-offs, not losing your man- the complexities of the position require a lot of awareness that I don't think Chytil has shown yet.
IMO the Chytil would have been better served playing 40 games in the AHL as a center last year to help him play center this year. Those reps would have been useful, but guess what- Filip's shown better strength on the wings, and can take a step there.
Lias has played very well in the center role. Backchecking, causing turnovers, his reads have been good. So has Howden at points.
I think Strome can be a very serviceable utility man for the Rangers. Right now that utility is as a 2nd line center.
Do the Rangers need an upgrade in that slot?
Absolutely.
It's a question of how that is going to come.
Is it a kid that's yet to be drafted? (2 Years away at the earliest)
Is it a trade? (More likely)
Is it free agency? (2 Years away with the cap constraints)
Inferno
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If we're being honest with ourselves, chytil, kravtsov and howden have all looked like they need more time in the ahl.
That's ok!
I have no issue with it...but there is also a lot to be benefitted these players playing in 4th line situations. You learn how to play defense and work on the things that make you an NHL player....
Board play, defensive zone coverage, and engagement. Chytil right now looks lost in his confidence. I think a 3rd or 4th line wing spot would be perfect. He looks stronger than last season and even though he's losing a lot of board battles..he looks really close.
Kravtsov looks like he just needs time in the ahl...his skill set as it stands now needs some fine tuning to translate better... Needs to play a little less fancy, and work on his board play. He's doing a good job finding the soft spots in coverage though... I don't think he will stay in the ahl long... But he could do with some high offensive output in Hartford.
Howdens game to me is the most translateable to the NHL. He's fairly gritty, good along the boards etc. He's got a lot more skill than people are willing to give him credit for. His game just seems the most... Immature to me. He's a tough case because on the one hand he's got the skillet to be in the NHL (IMHO), however he's doing a poor.. ish job of translating that skill into being an effective player.
Of all the 3 I think he's got the best chance of staying as your 4c since Nieves hasn't looked all that great either...but in all I'd agree...all 3 would be best served by playing in the ahl...but chytil is the guy who I worry about... How is he going to take playing in the ahl after being an nhler the last few seasons... Hard to say
That's ok!
I have no issue with it...but there is also a lot to be benefitted these players playing in 4th line situations. You learn how to play defense and work on the things that make you an NHL player....
Board play, defensive zone coverage, and engagement. Chytil right now looks lost in his confidence. I think a 3rd or 4th line wing spot would be perfect. He looks stronger than last season and even though he's losing a lot of board battles..he looks really close.
Kravtsov looks like he just needs time in the ahl...his skill set as it stands now needs some fine tuning to translate better... Needs to play a little less fancy, and work on his board play. He's doing a good job finding the soft spots in coverage though... I don't think he will stay in the ahl long... But he could do with some high offensive output in Hartford.
Howdens game to me is the most translateable to the NHL. He's fairly gritty, good along the boards etc. He's got a lot more skill than people are willing to give him credit for. His game just seems the most... Immature to me. He's a tough case because on the one hand he's got the skillet to be in the NHL (IMHO), however he's doing a poor.. ish job of translating that skill into being an effective player.
Of all the 3 I think he's got the best chance of staying as your 4c since Nieves hasn't looked all that great either...but in all I'd agree...all 3 would be best served by playing in the ahl...but chytil is the guy who I worry about... How is he going to take playing in the ahl after being an nhler the last few seasons... Hard to say
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Change is good.
Listen, I totally get the critiques of Chytil up to the last game. But was I the only one watching in the 2nd and 3rd period on Thursday when he quite visibly took a "f*** this" approach and started throwing his body around and making things happen (including winning 1-on-2 puck battles on at least two different occasions)?
Kravtsov, I thought, took a bit longer, but also started to show flashes in the 3rd and the OT.
Honestly, of the three, I thought Kakko showed the least. (Again, speaking specifically of Thursday night.)
Kravtsov, I thought, took a bit longer, but also started to show flashes in the 3rd and the OT.
Honestly, of the three, I thought Kakko showed the least. (Again, speaking specifically of Thursday night.)
HFsNumber1Heel
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Just because Strome starts at 2C doesn't mean he ends at 2C or plays there the entire season.
I mentioned about Kakko starting with his strengths and while he's a 2nd liner he'll probably get 3rd line minutes working on the 2nd PP. Nothing wrong with that. Look at Miko Rantanen's progression. That's what I see.
I mentioned about Kakko starting with his strengths and while he's a 2nd liner he'll probably get 3rd line minutes working on the 2nd PP. Nothing wrong with that. Look at Miko Rantanen's progression. That's what I see.
I expect this to be the case, especially with the third LHD spot. It's been particularly hard to get a read on a lot of the depth this preseason. It would be good if there was a revolving door of Lindgren, Rykov, and Hajek in that spot until one of them runs away with it.
It would be a caper if one of these guys turned out to be a Sauer type—too low-key to make a big splash in lower tiers of play, but a heady and steady player that can close gaps and actually hit the tape on a breakout.
Tawnos
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When we were competitive, that was also about the same time as the annual “This is a bad hockey team” thread.
DutchShamrock
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Its interesting that those 3 players are on a line together, right at the cut off point. I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 go down and form the top line. It wouldn't be terrible, and it wouldn't be permanent.
Tawnos
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Yeah I noticed that too. I feel like all things are still possible for Chytil. I do wish that he had asserted his place as the 2C, but it’s not like progression is entirely linear. While preseason is one measuring stick, this entire season is about shaking this stuff out. It’s too early to come to strong conclusions.
Andersson has done nothing that should have him starting on the 4th line. He has shown as much as anyone that he took the competition by the horns
Matz03
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Kravtsov probably goes to Hartford for a bit with too many bodies with the big the club, he’s still a bit raw and would get big minutes there.
Howden probably should also go down, he’s really done nothing while being spoon fed good line mates. He needs to still provide offense even if he’ll be a defensive center. Big minutes in Hartford would help focus more on offense. He won’t have much of a chance or pp time here.
Chytil needs to have a chance with good line mates. I bet he’d do ok lining up after Mika, though his defensive game still needs lots of work. I don’t agree he’s looked better at wing at all. To me he’s always looked better as a C.
Andersson has looked like the 3rd line c, offense will come though upside to me seem limited, would be huge waste having him as the 4 c.
I’d send as many young players down as possible, even if they are close, let them get top line minutes in Hartford to start. We have vets like Kreider, Strome, Names, Fast, who should get moved sometime this year, there will be a time to bring players back up. I’d also play Smith on d, lefty or 3rd side, maybe we can move him if he can hold down that spot. I know it’s optimistic but need to find a way to move that contract.
They need to make these decisions with development in mind, not winning, they should know better by know and stop rushing these players.
Howden probably should also go down, he’s really done nothing while being spoon fed good line mates. He needs to still provide offense even if he’ll be a defensive center. Big minutes in Hartford would help focus more on offense. He won’t have much of a chance or pp time here.
Chytil needs to have a chance with good line mates. I bet he’d do ok lining up after Mika, though his defensive game still needs lots of work. I don’t agree he’s looked better at wing at all. To me he’s always looked better as a C.
Andersson has looked like the 3rd line c, offense will come though upside to me seem limited, would be huge waste having him as the 4 c.
I’d send as many young players down as possible, even if they are close, let them get top line minutes in Hartford to start. We have vets like Kreider, Strome, Names, Fast, who should get moved sometime this year, there will be a time to bring players back up. I’d also play Smith on d, lefty or 3rd side, maybe we can move him if he can hold down that spot. I know it’s optimistic but need to find a way to move that contract.
They need to make these decisions with development in mind, not winning, they should know better by know and stop rushing these players.
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I'd like to see Lemieux Lias Kravtsov. Smash bros would afford him some space and allow him to show off some of that skill
Panarin Zibs Buch
Kreider Strome Kakko
Lemiuex Lias Kravtsov/Chytil
Names Howden Fast
I'd switch Buch and Kakko but that doesnt seem likely to start the year. I think it creates the best/most balanced lines.
Panarin Zibs Buch
Kreider Strome Kakko
Lemiuex Lias Kravtsov/Chytil
Names Howden Fast
I'd switch Buch and Kakko but that doesnt seem likely to start the year. I think it creates the best/most balanced lines.
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