Post-Game Talk: RANGER @ flies

[mas0764]

The hate and the incompetent thinking on Kreider is just amazing here

It's "incompetent thinking," (whatever that means) to think that Kreider is not our best forward "in every aspect of the game"? Ever heard of Panarin? Zibanejad?

Perhaps thinking that Kreider is our best forward just because he's potted 24 goals is what is "incompetent thinking."

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

No they won't. How many are CK finishing a sweet pass from Mika? Same difference as Goodrow lol? Mika's subtle move letting Kakko's pass go to Fox and then Fox head faking for an extra 6 inches of space, sending it low along the ice, between two defenders and right on to CKs stick doesn't happen with 4th liners or the 2nd/3rd pair of D. Not every tip is a point shot heave and prayer.

Some here just don’t understand the chemistry between a center and his wingers, it’s unbelievable
These guys aren’t robots, this isn’t NHL22 where you can just stick player A into player B’s spot and expect the same results

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

It's "incompetent thinking," (whatever that means) to think that Kreider is not our best forward? Ever heard of Panarin? Zibanejad?

Perhaps thinking that Kreider is our best forward just because he's potted 24 goals is what is "incompetent thinking."

Incompetent to think you can put another player into CK spot and expect the same results just because of the type of goals he scores
So yes INCOMPETENT thinking, did I say that slow enough for you

 

[mas0764]

Some here just don’t understand the chemistry between a center and his wingers, it’s unbelievable
These guys aren’t robots, this isn’t NHL22 where you can just stick player A into player B’s spot and expect the same results

And some guys think you have to slot your highest rated guys 1-through-4 down either side based on their silly EA ratings. Kreider is rated higher than Lafreniere! Can't play him below him! Talk about unbelievable video game philosophies.

Our 5-on-5 has been quite bad. A shake up to the lines very well might produce better results.

 

[Blais to Win]

The majority of his goals are PP goals which he would still get all that time. At even strength he is, or was, tied with Lafreniere, who is the player who we'd be saying to swap him with.

And because his goals are not play-driving but rather deflections and tip ins, largely, I expect the consequence of such a switch would be

a) an uptick in Lafreniere's production by playing with Zibanejad, but also

b) an uptick in the third line's production as Kreider can tip in passes from anyone.

People keep trying to frame it as a demotion. I would expect increased production across the board. It's not a demotion, it's a balancing of the lineup that gives us the best production from everyone.

Why would people be against that?

I can’t see it happening unless his line goes cold for like two weeks or more. I suppose you could keep spamming this idea around the board, though, if you feel like it.

 

[mas0764]

Incompetent to think you can put another player into CK spot and expect the same results just because of the type of goals he scores
So yes INCOMPETENT thinking, did I say that slow enough for you

I don't expect the exact same results, I do suspect it might produce better 5 on 5 play across two separate lines, though, because of the fit between play styles. Did I say that slow enough for you?

 

[mas0764]

I can’t see it happening unless his line goes cold for like two weeks or more. I suppose you could keep spamming this idea around the board, though, if you feel like it.

Once again the old "Well the team isn't gonna do it so shut up," defense.

The team is wrong. I will keep bringing it up, thanks.

 

[Blais to Win]

Once again the old "Well the team isn't gonna do it so shut up," defense.

The team is wrong. I will keep bringing it up, thanks.

You do you.

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

And some guys think you have to slot your highest rated guys 1-through-4 down either side based on their silly EA ratings. Kreider is rated higher than Lafreniere! Can't play him below him! Talk about unbelievable video game philosophies.

Our 5-on-5 has been quite bad. A shake up to the lines very well might produce better results.

Reading COMPREHENSION is a really good thing when it comes to reading
Where did I mention player rating??? CHEMISTRY with a center and a winger, it’s a real thing, give it a try

 

[CupSeeker]

at the beginning of the season, many here (including myself) wanted him there as everyone was excited for the premise of Laffy and Kaapo moving up in the top 6. which would make the 3rd line even stronger with Kreids there. Problem is, he DESERVES his minutes and should be regarded as much more than a special teams specialist.
opposing teams are wary of him, and play their best against him sometimes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

He will get his minutes. He is still on PP1 , on the PK and with him on the 3rd line, I would expect Turk to give that group their share of ice time.

 

[Richard Banger]

It’s unbelievable how a player producing at a career pace doesn’t get praise instead smooth brain 2 IQ fans want him away from the top line all because of what? His contract? And fans wonder why they can’t coach on the NHL level.

 

[Do you want ants]

But Kreider doesn't really score much from set-up passing, he scores tip ins and deflections. Presumably those same opportunities will exist on the third line.

Kreider is the dirty goal finisher, that's why he could work there.

Putting him with Barron and Gauthier puts him with 2 guys that aren’t great passers and Gauthier can’t shoot to save his life. I’m not against rebalancing lines but if you’re going to move him to the 3rd line, I think it’s a waste to do so with those players.

You want to put him with Strome-Kakko or Goodrow-Kratsov/Blais/Smith sure. I’d be fine with that.

I know you want to move him and you don’t want him on the team but you don’t demote your leading goal scorer (total and ES) to the 3rd line bc of Laf. Not yet at least.

 

[CupSeeker]

The hate and the incompetent thinking on Kreider is just amazing here

there is no Kreider hate. There are those who want to balance the lines and know that at ES, CK is good but not great. If Laf gets going with Mika and KK, we could have three dangerous lines instead of 2. Where is the hate?

 

[CupSeeker]

Putting him with Barron and Gauthier puts him with 2 guys that aren’t great passers and Gauthier can’t shoot to save his life. I’m not against rebalancing lines but if you’re going to move him to the 3rd line, I think it’s a waste to do so with those players.

You want to put him with Strome-Kakko or Goodrow-Kratsov/Blais/Smith sure. I’d be fine with that.

I know you want to move him and you don’t want him on the team but you don’t demote your leading goal scorer (total and ES) to the 3rd line bc of Laf. Not yet at least.

Fair enough. Maybe Goodrow instead of Gauthier. Barron can play. He just needs to play with skilled guys to show it.

 

[CupSeeker]

Reading COMPREHENSION is a really good thing when it comes to reading
Where did I mention player rating??? CHEMISTRY with a center and a winger, it’s a real thing, give it a try

This Chemistry is not producing much at ES. They can still hangout on the power play.

 

[mas0764]

Putting him with Barron and Gauthier puts him with 2 guys that aren’t great passers and Gauthier can’t shoot to save his life. I’m not against rebalancing lines but if you’re going to move him to the 3rd line, I think it’s a waste to do so with those players.

You want to put him with Strome-Kakko or Goodrow-Kratsov/Blais/Smith sure. I’d be fine with that.

I know you want to move him and you don’t want him on the team but you don’t demote your leading goal scorer (total and ES) to the 3rd line bc of Laf. Not yet at least.

Could be a good crash the net line.

 

[mas0764]

This Chemistry is not producing much at ES. They can still hangout on the power play.

Would have thought this point was evident. Maybe we didn't say it slowly enough.

 

[mas0764]

It’s unbelievable how a player producing at a career pace doesn’t get praise instead smooth brain 2 IQ fans want him away from the top line all because of what? His contract? And fans wonder why they can’t coach on the NHL level.

It's unbelievable how the team sucks at 5 v 5 and everyone wants to spend spend spend at the deadline but not do anything to address the root of their 5 v 5 problems.

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

This Chemistry is not producing much at ES. They can still hangout on the power play.

So you are saying that ZBAD and KREIDER don’t have chemistry and if they do it doesn’t matter because the rest of the team don’t score a ton at 5x5
Maybe the problem is with Kakko and Laff on why the team doesn’t score a ton 5x5 but let’s move them to the top line and then with a little magic dust they will balance the lines out.
Oh they will as we will not have ANY SCORING lines and your wish will come true

I also believe the progress of both Alexis and Kappo are going just fine, Chytil on the other hand, you can’t teach IQ to a player

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

It's unbelievable how the team sucks at 5 v 5 and everyone wants to spend spend spend at the deadline but not do anything to address the root of their 5 v 5 problems.

Ok professor then your way must be the solution not that Coach G hasn’t tried different things in practice and looked like a complete S**t show
We have a good team, I know you don’t want to believe it and just want that 1st 5 game losing streak. You can tell all of us we are wrong and you are the genius and we need to wait 5 more years just to make sure the window is open

 

[Levitate]

I'm not gonna read every single argument here but I think to be a good net front guy requires linemates who are able to effectively get the puck to the net in a way that let's someone like Kreider work.

It's not quite just "anyone can throw the puck at the net"

 

[chosen]

disagree
they are not finishing, but they are creating chances

You can disagree about how Gauthier will end up, but to date, he has been horrific.

Lindgren scores more points per game than him.
Rooney outscores Gauthier.

It's nice to get scoring chances, but if you don't finish, who cares.

Maybe he will improve, but that is far from guaranteed.

 

[chosen]

So I'm to instead believe CK is such a good player that he can't thrive on the third line?

Then he's not really that good.

Maybe Edmonton should put McDavid on the 3rd line. If he can't thrive there maybe he's not really that good.

 

[mas0764]

Ok professor then your way must be the solution not that Coach G hasn’t tried different things in practice and looked like a complete S**t show
We have a good team, I know you don’t want to believe it and just want that 1st 5 game losing streak. You can tell all of us we are wrong and you are the genius and we need to wait 5 more years just to make sure the window is open

Waaah anyone who doesn't think like me isn't a real fan and wants the team to lose

 

[mas0764]

Maybe Edmonton should put McDavid on the 3rd line. If he can't thrive there maybe he's not really that good.

Maybe this point would make sense if McDavid only scored on tip ins and wasn't an elite play driving monster.