Post-Game Talk: RANGER @ flies

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

Waaah anyone who doesn't think like me isn't a real fan and wants the team to lose

Well if the skate fits…..
You don’t want Kreider, you don’t want Trouba, we get it this team sucks and has no chance of winning. Thanks for saving me the time of watching the games

 

[mas0764]

Well if the skate fits…..
You don’t want Kreider, you don’t want Trouba, we get it this team sucks and has no chance of winning. Thanks for saving me the time of watching the games

I haven't said the team sucks and has no chance of winning. I said it has left itself short of what it needs to win multiple Cups in the long term, but that in the short term it is a good-not-great team that is not going to win the Cup based on all available indicators outside of wishful thinking.

Sorry but the truth hurts. I know that hearing your team isn't good enough is tough for homers to stomach and creates angry reactions and ad hominem attacks.

In all seriousness, they could win it all. But it would take a long, long shot coming to fruition with a lot of luck. Meanwhile teams like the Lightning, the Kings, the Hawks, the Penguins, all were prohibitive favorites that no one would have been surprised to see win at the beginning of the season or the playoffs. If we win, it will be a minor shock.

The problem is these outside chance teams do not win very often, hardly ever. And there are about 10 of them in any given season with similar chances. At most one or two of those teams will get lucky and win in a decade. The rest of the wins go to teams like the Lightning, Penguins and Blackhawks.

We should make all possible moves to become like one of those three teams. It's possible.

It just means some unpopular moves will have to be made.

 

[chosen]

Maybe this point would make sense if McDavid only scored on tip ins and wasn't an elite play driving monster.

Rangers are playing far better than Edmonton. If you believe the Rangers need to move their highest scoring player down the lineup in order to improve, you must believe that Edmonton really needs to do the same thing with McDavid.

 

[mas0764]

Rangers are playing far better than Edmonton. If you believe the Rangers need to move their highest scoring player down the lineup in order to improve, you must believe that Edmonton really needs to do the same thing with McDavid.

Obviously flawed logic. The Rangers and Oilers have different problems.

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

Rangers are playing far better than Edmonton. If you believe the Rangers need to move their highest scoring player down the lineup in order to improve, you must believe that Edmonton really needs to do the same thing with McDavid.

I think it’s more of a fantasy hockey lineup he wants and we know it’s just not realistic
But breaking up Kreider/ZBad is such an irrational move and would actually do more detriment than positive

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

I haven't said the team sucks and has no chance of winning. I said it has left itself short of what it needs to win multiple Cups in the long term, but that in the short term it is a good-not-great team that is not going to win the Cup based on all available indicators outside of wishful thinking.

Sorry but the truth hurts. I know that hearing your team isn't good enough is tough for homers to stomach and creates angry reactions and ad hominem attacks.

In all seriousness, they could win it all. But it would take a long, long shot coming to fruition with a lot of luck. Meanwhile teams like the Lightning, the Kings, the Hawks, the Penguins, all were prohibitive favorites that no one would have been surprised to see win at the beginning of the season or the playoffs. If we win, it will be a minor shock.

The problem is these outside chance teams do not win very often, hardly ever. And there are about 10 of them in any given season with similar chances. At most one or two of those teams will get lucky and win in a decade. The rest of the wins go to teams like the Lightning, Penguins and Blackhawks.

We should make all possible moves to become like one of those three teams. It's possible.

It just means some unpopular moves will have to be made.

How about we win that first one , apparently you must be too young to remember 1994 and the years leading up to that

 

[mas0764]

How about we win that first one , apparently you must be too young to remember 1994 and the years leading up to that

I remember 1994 quite well, and I remember how the moves we made in advance of it derailed the next decade of Rangers hockey.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

All we do here is focus on why we can't win a cup. We've got Igor. That means we will have a shot no matter what. There are lots of flaws on this team. No doubt about that. But if Igor shows up, we will always be in a 7 game series. Not easy to beat him 4 times.

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

I remember 1994 quite well, and I remember how the moves we made in advance of it derailed the next decade of Rangers hockey.

We DONT make those moves we do not win the cup that year!!!
Plus if we are forecasting, if there is no strike to start the 1994/95 season we would have won back to back cups. That team was actually better on paper than the beginning roster of the 1993/94 Stanley Cup team

 

[Richard Banger]

there is no Kreider hate. There are those who want to balance the lines and know that at ES, CK is good but not great. If Laf gets going with Mika and KK, we could have three dangerous lines instead of 2. Where is the hate?

If is the problem. We are dead in the middle of a race for 1st place. This is no time to start doing things with a hopeful reality only to screw up our lines and start a losing streak.

 

[chosen]

Obviously flawed logic. The Rangers and Oilers have different problems.

Talk about flawed logic. Your opinion that you should put your top scorer on the 3rd line is an idea never before advanced by anyone who watches hockey.

 

[FUZfan]

The team is wrong. I will keep bringing it up, thanks.

The team is 25-10-4. If that is "wrong" I don't want to be right.

Like Bill Parcells said, "at the end of the day, you're exactly as good as your record".

 

[mas0764]

Talk about flawed logic. Your opinion that you should put your top scorer on the 3rd line is an idea never before advanced by anyone who watches hockey.

Ok, then think of it this way. I have a new first line, it's Kreider - Goodrow - Gauthier.

 

[mas0764]

The team is 25-10-4. If that is "wrong" I don't want to be right.

Like Bill Parcells said, "at the end of the day, you're exactly as good as your record".

That's nice, I am very much a Parcells fan, but that's a rhetorical device. You can't ignore advanced stats.

 

[mas0764]

If is the problem. We are dead in the middle of a race for 1st place. This is no time to start doing things with a hopeful reality only to screw up our lines and start a losing streak.

So the point that "maybe it will screw things up," is the first coherent counterargument anyone has made and I would acknowledge it's a risk.

But I'm arguing that I don't think we are good enough anyway, so I don't think it's risking all that much. What am I risking, a 3 seed and a second round exit versus a 7 seed and a first round exit?

 

[Peltz]

Sorry but the truth hurts. I know that hearing your team isn't good enough is tough for homers to stomach and creates angry reactions and ad hominem attacks.

Yea? Well you're dumb.

 

[Peltz]

All we do here is focus on why we can't win a cup. We've got Igor. That means we will have a shot no matter what. There are lots of flaws on this team. No doubt about that. But if Igor shows up, we will always be in a 7 game series. Not easy to beat him 4 times.

That's generally true. You have to be insanely stacked to take down a healthy Igor on top of his game 4 out of 7 games. But the Lightning are insanely stacked like that. And they have a similar goaltending talent in Vasilevskiy who is only a year older than Igor and no signs of slowing down yet. They could be a modern day dynasty right now to be honest.

They'll be tough to beat in a 7 game series as constructed today unless our young forwards start to become more dominant.

 

[Hire Sather]

ability is there
they need LaF to get skating going to break out his scoring
that will make dif
Chytil + Gauthier are basically sufficiently skilled
just need proper LW and put it all together

I'm probably as big a Gauthier supporter there is on these boards

It's an odd suggestion to put together 3 struggling players and paint it as a way to get them going

Of course it's nowhere close to the oddest thing you've suggested here

 

[Larrybiv]

He will get his minutes. He is still on PP1 , on the PK and with him on the 3rd line, I would expect Turk to give that group their share of ice time.

So now that I've thought about it some more......If GG thinks that would be BEST for the team, then I would be okay with such move. even more importantly so would KREIDS.
Wouldn't imagine he would beef about that, because he is a TEAM 1st player, and what better way to prove that by keeping your mouth shut?
thing is.....Laf or Kakko really would have to start putting up some points and see how well the 3rd line fares.
wouldn't be the WORST thing to do, right about now.

 

[Larrybiv]

You didn't mean "exonerated", right?

i think thats what I meant. "released from duties'? again, I think, lol.

 

[ohbaby]

I sure hope The Chytil right wing experiment continues with players coming back. I've said since the start of the season, that we are weak on the right side. And we were fortunate guys like Goodrow, Gauthier and Hunt have filled in nicely with some stretches of good play. But if Chytil can continue to make that transfer to right wing, our right side no longer looks as weak as it appears on paper. I sure hope Gallant understands what a benefit this might be to the team. Our right side looking stronger and Chytil getting more minutes. I think it's a win, win.

Goodrow was on a line centering Hunt and Gauthier during practice today. So hopefully, the Chytil experiment continues.

 

[CupSeeker]

So now that I've thought about it some more......If GG thinks that would be BEST for the team, then I would be okay with such move. even more importantly so would KREIDS.
Wouldn't imagine he would beef about that, because he is a TEAM 1st player, and what better way to prove that by keeping your mouth shut?
thing is.....Laf or Kakko really would have to start putting up some points and see how well the 3rd line fares.
wouldn't be the WORST thing to do, right about now.

Appreciate the flexibility of thought. Tiny chance this happens anyhow.

 

[tomobson]

I sure hope The Chytil right wing experiment continues with players coming back. I've said since the start of the season, that we are weak on the right side. And we were fortunate guys like Goodrow, Gautier and Hunt have filled in nicely with some stretches of good play. But if Chytil can continue to make that transfer to right wing, our right side no longer looks as weak as it appears on paper. I sure hope Gallant understands what a benefit this might be to the team. Our right side looking stronger and Chytil getting more minutes. I think it's a win, win.

Goodrow was on a line centering Hunt and Gauthier during practice today. So hopefully, the Chytil experiment continues.

I'm fine with Chytil or Laf in that RW position. I know Chytil has been dying for a top six chance but I think he'd make that third line a lot better than Laf. At the same time, Chytil's speed is a welcome addition to the Panarin line.

 

[chosen]

Ok, then think of it this way. I have a new first line, it's Kreider - Goodrow - Gauthier.

Congrats on your brilliant new first line!