OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Dull days of July

[ChaosAgent]

Like, the Cubs are not even THAT good. I could see the stars lining up that they get a single dominant win.
But good lord, this whole series they've made us look silly. Which.. I guess it's accurate.

I think the Cubs looked awesome on paper heading into the season. Happ, Suzuki, Bellinger is a very good offensive core. They converted Morel to Paredes. Swanson isn't cooked and Hoerner is a very good player.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think the Cubs looked awesome on paper heading into the season. Happ, Suzuki, Bellinger is a very good offensive core. They converted Morel to Paredes. Swanson isn't cooked and Hoerner is a very good player.

Yeah there weakness was pitching and Pen but they had a line up

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

The Pirates are about to fall to 0-2 since Yasmani Grandal said the team still believes in itself, and the fans should still believe, after his walk-off home run on Sunday.

The pitching staff allowed 27 runs in those two games.

I'm going to go ahead and make a command decision and say that there is zero belief from the fans, and the team checked out after the Houston series.

 

[Factorial]

Third time in four games they've gotten absolutely punked, all at home and all against supposedly comparable teams.

Their pitching staff has mostly been a disaster since the losing streak began.

 

[ChaosAgent]

If Jared Jones is just a high potential arm who had a good opening run, there is really no excuse for Cherington to keep his job.

The organization isn't really in a better place than they were in 2019 aside from Paul Skenes existing.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

If Jared Jones is just a high potential arm who had a good opening run, there is really no excuse for Cherington to keep his job.

The organization isn't really in a better place than they were in 2019 aside from Paul Skenes existing.

You aren't excited for all of those high picked hitters to be overmatched at the MLB level?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You aren't excited for all of those high picked hitters to be overmatched at the MLB level?

It doesn’t seem like they invested a ton of high picks on hitters

 

[Factorial]

You aren't excited for all of those high picked hitters to be overmatched at the MLB level?

They're need to trade one of their surplus pitching prospects for a hitter.

Hopefully not Chandler.

 

[ChaosAgent]

You aren't excited for all of those high picked hitters to be overmatched at the MLB level?

The high-picked hitters are already here. It's Davis - likely an outright bust who Miami rejected - and Gonzales who I'm holding out some hope for.

I truly don't understand hanging onto Haines. It is baffling in of itself, and I don't think hitting coaches do much.

When Cherington had assets to spend on hitters, he spent on Hanley Ramirez, Pablo Sandoval and Rusney Castillo. He has a very long track record of being wrong. I mean, sh1t, the same ownership hanging onto Mike Sullivan 7 years after his Cup basically fired/demoted Cherington 2 years after his. They knew he isn't good at this.

Of course fire Shelton too, I don't care.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

The high-picked hitters are already here. It's Davis - likely an outright bust who Miami rejected - and Gonzales who I'm holding out some hope for.

I truly don't understand hanging onto Haines. It is baffling in of itself, and I don't think hitting coaches do much.

When Cherington had assets to spend on hitters, he spent on Hanley Ramirez, Pablo Sandoval and Rusney Castillo. He has a very long track record of being wrong. I mean, sh1t, the same ownership hanging onto Mike Sullivan 7 years after his Cup basically fired/demoted Cherington 2 years after his. They knew he isn't good at this.

Of course fire Shelton too, I don't care.

Since Nutting isn't going anywhere, sadly, everyone below him needs to be gone.

WTF is Travis Williams' job? Gone.

Cherington? Gone.

Assistants under Cherington? Gone.

Shelton and the MLB staff? Gone.

And then get to work on the MiLB staff from Indy down to Bradenton.

This all costs money, though, so it probably won't happen.

 

[Coastal Kev]

 

[Factorial]

Saw this band play at PSU in a record store.

 

[TooManyHumans]

What is the point of announcing Cruz as the CF if you are not going to play him there?

It is a distraction from how horrible this organization is at developing.

 

[MrBrightside]

Looks like the scapegoating is beginning. Not that the Latin American development program is clearly not broken. It certainly seems to be.

 

[since70]

I see everyone saying the hitting coach doesn't really do anything, isn't he responsible for trying to straighten out guys when they're going bad and offering solutions, so if he's awful at what he does, then doesn't he do more harm than good, and if the organizations he was with improved after he left doesn't that say that he does affect the on field product?

 

[WickedWrister]

At least Cruz is continuing to develop…

 

[ChaosAgent]

I see everyone saying the hitting coach doesn't really do anything, isn't he responsible for trying to straighten out guys when they're going bad and offering solutions, so if he's awful at what he does, then doesn't he do more harm than good, and if the organizations he was with improved after he left doesn't that say that he does affect the on field product?

I've never said Haines should stay. He was a bad hire, it would be fantastic if he were fired today. To your point, the Brewers are better without him.

But how much do you think he makes? How much do hitting coaches make, period? Baseball is such an efficient sport; don't you think if the hitting coach was the linchpin of offensive productivity they would be making millions of dollars per year?
Hitting is instinctual. Henry Davis came up to bat yesterday and proceeded to miss a bunch of pitches because he can't hit MLB pitching. He has barely been back here. What was Haines supposed to do with that?

I think the coach bros on this thread just can't acknowledge that Cherington has done a terrible job of assembling talent throughout the organization. Many of them have a subtext "Cherington is doing pretty well; his weakness is just loyalty to Shelton and Haines." That is simply untrue.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

At least Cruz is continuing to develop…

Joe Block toes the company line as well as anyone.

 

[MrBrightside]

I've never said Haines should stay. He was a bad hire, it would be fantastic if he were fired today. To your point, the Brewers are better without him.

But how much do you think he makes? How much do hitting coaches make, period? Baseball is such an efficient sport; don't you think if the hitting coach was the linchpin of offensive productivity they would be making millions of dollars per year?
Hitting is instinctual. Henry Davis came up to bat yesterday and proceeded to miss a bunch of pitches because he can't hit MLB pitching. He has barely been back here. What was Haines supposed to do with that?

I think the coach bros on this thread just can't acknowledge that Cherington has done a terrible job of assembling talent throughout the organization. Many of them have a subtext "Cherington is doing pretty well; his weakness is just loyalty to Shelton and Haines." That is simply untrue.

Two things are almost certainly both true:

1. Andy Haines isn't good at his job and they can do better.

2. Major league hitters are unlikely to be THAT impacted by a hitting coach. You can make some tweaks here and there but the idea that entire approaches and swings are going to be changed on the fly at the major league level is not realistic.

 

[MrBrightside]

Grandal is just a joke behind the plate.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Oneil Cruz everyone.

Might as well just pull the plug and shut Skenes down as well. No sense in risking more innings in a loser season.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Grandal is just a joke.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Defending Cruz or Shelton should get you punched in the face at this point.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

I won't defend anything this organization does at this point.

 

[WickedWrister]

Defending Cruz or Shelton should get you punched in the face at this point.

This shouldn't have been an error on Cruz