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Well.

Gamel drops a tough flyball, with the sun.
Betts costs us a run, maybe 2.
Then ump blows a horrible, horrible call on Yoshi.

Andd....it's game over. Hope we get 1 more against the Dodgers.
 
Priester has been out all year with an oblique injury.

One thing that I don't know if we're considering enough is how bad offense has tanked everywhere. Maybe the MiLB baseballs are different, but if you just look around the league, almost every top prospect is struggling mightily, and tons of established players are too.

That's not to deny that there have been troubles. I think the most worrying is Gonzales, so hopefully the addition of Davis might be a helpful spark for him. Peguero on the other hand has been mashing.

The reason I don't love the churn method is that the strength of the system is already basically its depth, and the management seems intent on screwing around with the most talented prospect. You can never have enough guys, but Cherington doesn't seem to have a clear plan other than throwing a lot of stuff at the wall and gathering as many players as possible. In a tanking year, I'm not going to be up in arms about moving a veteran P, but I still think Quintana's return is what Anderson got or worse, unless you strike a deal with somebody earlier in the season who is a bit desperate and it's a perfect situation.
As the Bucco's Turn ....


Here's the CF view. Davis is a rising star.
 
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O'Neil Cruz with a couple more walks so far tonight. He appears to be making the adjustments I crave from him. If he keeps taking the bad pitches, the rest will work out for him IMO.

I like that swing Davis has. Very compact and obviously he generates a lot of power.
Good hip rotation too.

Our boy Gonzales with another 3 k's so far tonight. He's certain to change that hitting approach by June and get busy IMO. Has to stop trying to be a 30+ homer guy.
 
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I was actually coming to make the stray observation that Cruz's swing decisions have basically been good this season. There was a stretch of maybe 6-7 games where he was clearly pressing out there, but otherwise, even early on when the weather was terrible and he didn't have much going, he wasn't making bad swing decisions.

Honestly, the more I watch, the more I think it should be a priority to get him out of AAA as soon as you can. Half of the time, he seems to be facing guys who have like 89mph fastballs, and the pitches are all over the place. I'm not sure the level is all that great or meaningful as a developmental league, and this goes for more than just him. You want some modicum of results but ultimately they are a bit of a distraction, especially cumulatively. Outside of some very notable exceptions, the AA pitching talent and overall environment just seems better.
 
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Yeah, I like that he breaks down the K% by series. I think you can almost chuck the first two weeks out entirely, even if the St. Paul series is totally fine from that perspective (13%). I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think the temperature was above 45 degrees for that entire stretch.

Then, you can really see him pressing for a couple of weeks there. I didn't watch every single game, but I caught most of them, and I think Murphy's right if he's suggesting that Iowa was the real low point, even if the series vs. Columbus looks worse from a strikeout perspective. I might be mixing up some details, but I think during that series, he had a couple of pretty bad games, while also having some really borderline calls going against him. In the Iowa series, there's no way around it, he looked absolutely lost at the plate.

I don't really think excuses should be made for him, as sometimes you are going to face bad umpires or not get every call going your way. I do think it showed maturity that he's been able to turn the ship around pretty quickly, though another caveat I'd mention there is that there are times when the AAA pitching is just not consistent enough to really make a challenge for him.

Put differently, I'm still strongly of the opinion that the AAA level is not much more than a holding pattern. I don't think you can jettison results entirely, but I also don't think something that's too far away from that. One night you catch a rehabbing MLBer like Luis Castillo (Cruz was 0-4 with a K and BB), then other nights you get journeymen control guys throwing 89mph fastballs, or organizational filler / depth guys who have fallen off.

At the end of the day, I think Cruz is someone who a lot of fans (I'm not trying to call anyone in the thread out) project things onto. He's aggressive, but outside of stretches, I don't think he's overaggressive or someone who has trouble with pitch recognition or swing decisions. He will continue to strike out at a certain clip because most MLB players do anyways, but I don't think he's a risk to constantly be around that 30% mark where things get dicey. I think the early struggles in AAA are just that, and not harbingers of something more -- and I'd lean on his 2021 season as further evidence for that.

What's more worrying to me is that I'm not sure Cherington and John Baker have a clue what they are doing. This business with positional flexibility seems like it can work for certain players, but is almost reminiscent of the one-size-fits-all approach that Searage was accused of with his pitchers. We have no viable future options at shortstop, and it's almost like they refuse to recognize how valuable Cruz would be as the main shortstop. He makes errors, but so does basically every shortstop who isn't a defensive specialist. He makes routine plays constantly, and because of his athleticism, he can make plays that others can't. It isn't even a conversation whether he's more valuable at mostly shortstop or mostly corner OF.

I'm hoping he continues to have a strong week this week and then is up for the road trip next week. The more he is in AAA, the more time is wasted. I think what will happen, almost no matter what he does performance-wise, is that he'll be held in AAA another month until the Super Two deadline has passed. The sole redeeming quality of that move would be if he is at least installed as the MLB shortstop after that.
 
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I'm just glad that AAA isn't real baseball and has no bearing on real baseball, and I'm just projecting things onto Cruz unlike posters who give anyone who ever reached the #1 prospect in the system level carte blanche on performance. Curious - who was the highest rated between Keller, Polanco, Hayes and Reynolds? And who is in Japan?
 
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I'm just glad that AAA isn't real baseball and has no bearing on real baseball, and I'm just projecting things onto Cruz unlike posters who give anyone who ever reached the #1 prospect in the system level carte blanche on performance. Curious - who was the highest rated between Keller, Polanco, Hayes and Reynolds? And who is in Japan?
Thanks for your contribution. :thumbu:
 
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On Cruz, look I get it. All future superstars have trials and tribulations and him having struggles does not take this right tail outcome (basically, Aaron Judge) off the table. But if you go off the 90% probability that he doesn't become that...sorry performance matters. We are going to be trying to compete. A guy having a month where he hits .120 costs wins. Throwing errors cost wins. Polanco cost us wins. Bad Keller starts cost us wins. Not being able to hit in the cold costs you wins. Sorry, it gets cold sometimes. Not mashing crappy pitchers costs you wins. You should beat up the likes of Connor Overton.


If you step back and look at the side of things where a player doesn't become a transcendent franchise player just cause he's the #1 prospect, you get a lot less hand-wavey.
 
I also think a 2016-2018 Polanco who can run and play defense (where I think Cruz is headed) is a valuable 3-4 WAR player. That is a reasonable outcome and is still exciting to me.
 
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I really don't want to ever think about El Decaf again. Just another in a long line of players with completely wasted, unrealized potential. He was given way, way more opportunity to figure it out than he deserved and did nothing with it. Good riddance. I hope he likes Japanese food.
 
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I'll say it again. Polanco's issues were upstairs. His baseball IQ was horrendous and he wasn't nearly the athlete the media tried to paint him out to be. I've never seen a guy over the last 2 decades, on the Pirates, miss as many dead red fastballs middle/middle. At least not among regular starters, year over year. Very slow/long swing.

The apologists for him, to this day, drive me insane.
 
It's a shame that Marisnick is out, he was doing a great job in preventing Cole Tucker from playing in the outfield.

Hopefully Allen gets back sooner than later, I really don't want to see Tucker ever playing in the OF again.
 
I don't really see much of a point in continuing the Cruz discussion, but as I said in my post above (ignored, then reduced to the most narrow possible misreading -- par for the course, and what makes this reply pointless), a couple of so-so weeks in AAA are not indicative of much. As the post Gallatin linked pointed out, Cruz's K% really spiked, culminating in a terrible series vs. Iowa.

It's now reverted hard in the opposite direction for a short period of time. What I think is the best outcome is for this trend to continue this week, and then for Pirates to end the service time manipulation and get him against MLB pitching. As far as I can find, there is little coordination between cumulative AAA performance and MLB success. You cannot promote a guy who is not comfortable at the plate, which was the case for Cruz on the whole prior to 1.5-2 weeks ago. Beyond that, cumulative counting stats can't really tell you much of anything.

From the eye test, he's been ready for the challenge of MLB pitching since the Pirates rewarded him with the cup of coffee last year. He hits the ball hard and has a good understanding of the zone, knowing which pitches he can do damage with. I am not trying to make any claims about his future success other than what I think the best decisions are for his development.

If you want pessimism on that front, then I'd go further and say if the foot dragging continues through June or into July, we run a higher risk of a totally wasted season from a developmental perspective. Whatever Cruz does or doesn't do between now and his callup, MLB pitchers are going to present a new challenge for him and require different kinds of adjustments, unlike his current situation where it's much more about staying within his game and avoiding the kind of bad stretches he had for two weeks. That is why I think it's imperative to end the AAA experiment as soon as is feasible, and if he has another week this week like he did last week, he'll basically be in that position. Maybe you wait one more, but the longer you go, the more you'll have to face Shelton's predilection for constant change while still favoring a guy like Newman, who has to be close to returning.

Again, from another step back, what I think is most concerning is whether or not Cherington and John Baker have an actual plan, especially for Cruz. They claim he has things to work on, and there has been a fledgling attempt to throw him into a new position in games, but he's played LF almost as many games as he's DH'd (3 vs. 2). I think the extent of their plan from the beginning has been to avoid continuing the service clock for as long as possible, and Cruz's early scuffle will give them cover to do just that, even if he has a hot stretch, because it just requires roughly a month more.

The only thing I really care about is ending the games and utilizing MLB playing time on guys who might have roles to play in the next few years and beyond - Cruz, Contreras, Suwinski, Castillo, CSN - rather than whatever it is we have going on with Newman, Tucker, VanMeter, and the like.
 
Tired of the acting as though I'm misinterpreting your point. Your overriding point, again and again, is that AAA is a pointless purgatory for a guy like Cruz and we should just get on with the business of moving him up to the MLB at SS once he has a couple 2/4 nights since this is all protecting Nutting's wallet anyway.

You put in little caveats but it feels through every post you make on him. And maybe you are right! But don't accuse me of misinterpreting your POV on him. Your position is crystal clear.

Aside from that, I am more than happy to talk about any other player we have, where the conversation is not in the realm of the absurd.
 
Reynolds hasn't been terrible this year, he's pacing for about 3.5 WAR per 162 games, but he's playing himself out of a massive contract with his performance.

Coincidentally, I think that level of play is what Reynolds needs to be at for the Pirates to extend him long-term.
 
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Suwinski is an interesting guy for me because BR really likes his defensive play, which is surprising because Fangraphs described him as a "positionless defender" and only gave him a 20 rating fielding. He was at +4 defensive runs saved in 69 innings in RF earlier this week.
 
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