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Wasn't Smith-Njigba in that Taillon deal as well? He's not anything super amazing but he's looking like a MLB caliber hitter overall.

Getting Suwinski and Marcano for Frazier is definitely a win. I watch him all of the time now that I live in Seattle. Since the trade, he has like an 82 OPS+ and only has 1.6 WAR over 200 games between the Padres and Mariners. Getting 2 young MLB caliber players with years of control for that is a steal, simply because Frazier isn't very good.

CSN could turn out to be something in the way that like 15 other AAA/MLB guys could turn out to be something. The value of the trade is 95% Roansy

Of course I'd rather have JS/TM than Frazier moving forward. But we don't know what else was offered for Frazier as he was a hot commodity at the deadline last year. IMO the valuation is really what we think about TM/JS now vs. when they were acquired. It looked fantastic when Suwinski was hitting, but he has been a <.500 OPS hitter for months now.

BC also failed to trade Reynolds last year. Which, I think now knowing 2023 is gonna be a 70 win year was failure.
 
BREAKING: Dayton Moore has been fired as the Kansas City Royals' president of baseball operations.

Moore was the architect of the 2015 World Series champions, but the franchise in the midst of its sixth consecutive losing season.
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So when the apologists for MLB status Quo use the KC Royals
 
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I’ll believe this team is ready to compete when they fire the babysitter and hire a real manager with a real hitting instructor.

DK saying they’re punting on 2023 is believable. “Trying” doesn’t mean extending a player you already have control over and playing more kids. If they’re serious about improving they need to spend on bullpen arms, a starter, and a 1b/rf. That means free agency or trading prospects for real major league ready talent.

I won’t hold my breathe. The owner doesn’t give a shit about winning and he doesn’t give a shit what fans think of him. BC is trying to build murderer’s row through the draft because he knows he has zero budget. Ain’t gon happen.
 
This winter will go a long way in showing anyone with a shred of f***ing sanity and common sense whether we have any intention of competing on 2023 and beyond. If BC brings Shelton and company back, how can you spend a dime on this team? How can you waste a moment watching utter shit?
 
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Yeah, obviously Soto was younger (and even better, he clowned the low minors in an insane fashion), but Rodriguez's dominance has really been something to behold. It's still only a 31-game sample size, but a 199 wRC+ with elite BB and K rates and very good power speaks for itself.

I don't want to veer us back down the service time manipulation roundabout argument, but I will say that I think on merit, Rodriguez absolutely deserves the late season cup of coffee. It's hard to get too far into that without opening the can of worms as to whether that is simply a reward that shouldn't indicate anything about making the roster in 2023 or not, but Cherington's front office has demonstrated that that's what they are willing to do.

With Rodriguez, there is likely going to be additional cover for keeping him in AAA because of his position, and I'm not absolutely going to pound the table that he should make the team out of camp because that is an important long-term consideration. However, the version of the anti-service time manipulation argument that I'd give today is that for a real potential 3-4+ WAR player, especially at a valuable position, a team should both want to (1) above all else, prioritize how they get to that potential as quickly and firmly as possible; and (2) make that player part of the long-term core, i.e., extend them and worry about exact ST clocks even less.

Put differently, I'd rather see the front office take the cynical path with a bat-only supplementary type player in Gonzales. He's a better player to try and secure for dirt cheap pre-arb years and then move on from as he gets more expensive. The same might even be able to be said regarding pitching prospects, given how much risk there is with them.

But if you really believe that Rodriguez's bat can contribute to the point of being a backup C/super utility 2.5-3 win player next year, then arbitrarily holding him in AAA until July is an anti-winning strategy, full stop. Maybe there's a more palatable and slightly less cynical argument to bump him down there for 4-6 weeks, but the new CBA is in a sense more strongly aimed at this kind of half measure, because any prospect who might be good enough to make a quality impact can still easily put themselves in the ROY race if they come up in May.

Ultimately, I would just rather be focused on what the best thing to do with Endy is. It would be a breath of fresh air to extend him this winter and then let merit and true developmental assessment decide the question in the spring and early season. But watching him regularly, he's just been so good for so long, while also having the ability to play multiple positions, that it's hard not to dream a little bit on having Perez back to mentor him in MLB while he rotates in at DH, 2B, and RF on off days. If everyone stays healthy, Castro is for real, and you go spend modestly for Haniger or Mancini, then the offense is suddenly fairly decent.
 
If the Pirates were a real organization, Endy would be starting day 1 2023 with the intention being to sign him to an extension if the performance continues at the major league level.

That seems to be the standard lately.
 
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If the Pirates were a real organization, Endy would be starting day 1 2023 with the intention being to sign him to an extension if the performance continues at the major league level.

That seems to be the standard lately.

I wouldn't have a big problem giving guys the Kris Bryant treatment to get the 7th year of control and call them up in late April, but waiting out the Super-2 stuff is just putting profit over winning.
 
We're going to know exactly what direction things are head by the decisions BC makes in terms of the staff at the ML level.

If Shelton and Haines are back, you might as well punt Endy until after the AS break. Same w/Ortiz, Priester, Burrows, and really anyone that projects to make considerable money down the line.

Either way, I don't expect these guys to contribute the first half of next year UNLESS we get an entirely new staff AND we see an actual FA signing or 2, which would signify a hard course correction.

What I'm saying is don't get your hopes up. I pray we get what we want but I will not allow fantasy to raise my level of expectation at all.
 
I'm fully on board the anti-Shelton and Haines train, but I also don't think that it's as much of a big deal in terms of the direction of the organization. I think it is far more important to acquire some better MLB talent in order to push out the AAAA and worse talent that we've seen so much of during Ben Cherington's tenure.

I will admit that there's necessary gray area with gaining a 7th year on players, but automatically pushing down talented players because you are obsessed with future payroll questions is a loser organization move. I've said this before, but I'd have more "sympathy" for those kinds of decisions if there were ongoing payroll commitments well north of what currently exist. We could extend Reynolds, Cruz, and Rodriguez this offseason, front-loading one or both of the latter in a similar manner that we did with Hayes, and also sign somebody like Haniger and Quintana, along with a couple depth options, and we'd only barely scape into that range. But if the payroll were there, then it would make some more sense why you would want to ensure several pre-arb years and a 7th year of control in every single case.

To play it out again, I'm not even sure for a player with Gonzales' profile that you have to be worried about a 7th year. That said, his injuries and a possibly crowded middle infield make it pretty easy to have him in AAA until July at least, even if he starts crushing the ball for a few weeks. If he puts it back together, he might even have some really good offensive seasons for you, but ultimately I don't think he's that much more than a solid offensive bat with some pop.

It's not really all that complicated why the Pirates MLB team continues to be bad. Most of the players are bad, and mediocre players are made worse by the fact that they have to play quite a lot and in more important roles than they would be if they were on the edges of the roster. I am not going to try and take a victory lap regarding Cruz, because I'll certainly acknowledge that he has important features in his game to address, but it is absolutely undeniable that he was among the 26 best players and is at least the third most valuable position player on the roster. Even if you sign a quality FA bat, the path for a player with Endy's skillset to immediately be in the top-5 is pretty clear. That's one way that the management can make the 2023 team better.

The same can be said about a guy like Ortiz, even if you want to stretch things a bit with a spot start or two and swingman situation until a 5th starter is needed and he incidentally then has a 7th year of control. But having Bryse Wilson or Zach Thompson take on SP innings in May while Ortiz is in AAA would be pathetic. He'll probably pitch 155 innings this year if he makes two more starts, meaning that if injury luck is on your side, 180 could certainly be in the cards next year. I could see slow rolling him slightly in spring training to then build up and join the team in early/mid-May (though we'll actually need a 5th starter in April anyways) and be ready to let fly for the whole year after that. I'm willing to entertain an argument that he could use time to work on the changeup or other offerings, but that can be done in the offseason and also learned at the MLB level, which is where he needs to be getting batters out anyways.
 


I think he's probably still worth a flier. Not the move we need, but RH power is still something lacking from the team, so I'd throw the dart.
 
Cruz continues to do a fine job of just not chasing pitches, even if he gets down in the count. His chase rate has gone way down. This is anecdotal but my sense is that he is now almost never chasing except sometimes in 3-2 counts (which is just bound to happen and I think you would want to happen for a big bat).
 
It's hard to imagine watching Crowe start. I wonder if the pitch clock is going to make him even more of a fringe player.

This game has been really poor all around. I think Cruz is still making very encouraging decisions in terms of chasing, but this week has not been quite dialed in about swing decisions in general. I don't really think in the long run, there's going to be a ton of bad contact for him, but he's making it this week. If his chase rates continue to stay at the level they've fallen to, he is going to make a big impact, so I look at it as end of season whatever stuff.

Bae doesn't look too overmatched, but personally I have trouble rooting for him. Can't help but hope he's flashes something and can be moved to be someone else's problem. I'm more than happy with a Castro-Cruz MI with Newman as a veteran defender and a guy like Gonzales, Triolo, or even Endy eventually in the mix.
 
Though Crowe is not the worst baseball player on this roster, he absolutely has to be let go. I don't think he has it either stuff-wise or mentally, despite the "chubby brave kid" look.

He is for sure not a winning baseball player.
 
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I think the biggest problem with the bullpen is that they are all taxed to hell. Indy's season ends Wednesday and I wonder if we'll churn some guys on the IL just to avoid further potential injury risk.

The atrocious losing streak has the question for the rest of the year probably being about which 2/3 between us, Detroit, and Oakland will end up with the top odds for the #1 pick along with Washington. None of the three have very difficult schedules, though I think we'll probably have it in the bag if we continue the tailspin this weekend and lose the Reds series. Hard to see us doing more than 2-4 vs. St. Louis to close out the year, and of course it could all be for naught because the top odds don't necessarily mean anything.

2 more hits for Endy at least.
 
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