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DJ Spinoza said:
The rules surrounding service time are really convoluted, but this guy is always on top of things:



So essentially, Suwinski was set to accrue the full year of service if he wasn't demoted at all, but now that he has, he will get the one day plus all those old days will not count towards ML service anymore. He'd have to stay down for a huge amount of time to not be super two eligible, but this move will mean that he's under team control for 7 full seasons instead of 6.

I think there's a merit argument to make about Suwinski, as he's really struggled and maybe needs to make some adjustments. I think Greg Allen actually looked great in the spring, but at this point.... ? There's not much direction to this team and it seems like we're gonna embrace weird mediocrity (?) at best, while Cruz languishes in poor batting order spots.

Just a meh sandwich all around, I share everyone's sentiment. I am hoping the draft provides some excitement, in general and with us.
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I think we can both be frustrated with what the Pirates are doing but also believe that Suwinski could use some time in AAA to get it back together. In 88 PA's since his 3 HR game he's hitting .135/.273/.311/.584 and striking out a ton. It's probably also useful to recall that it's not like he's a top prospect - the odds on his 7th year of control or him being Super-2 eligible mattering to this organization are pretty minimal.

All that said, I have no idea what the hell they are doing. Continuing to waste time with Yoshi and VanMeter and Newman and Marisnick while marooning prospects in AAA just makes no sense at all. Trying to win 68 games instead of 64 at the expense of development of prospects is such a bad idea.
 
MrBrightside said:
I think we can both be frustrated with what the Pirates are doing but also believe that Suwinski could use some time in AAA to get it back together. In 88 PA's since his 3 HR game he's hitting .135/.273/.311/.584 and striking out a ton. It's probably also useful to recall that it's not like he's a top prospect - the odds on his 7th year of control or him being Super-2 eligible mattering to this organization are pretty minimal.

All that said, I have no idea what the hell they are doing. Continuing to waste time with Yoshi and VanMeter and Newman and Marisnick while marooning prospects in AAA just makes no sense at all. Trying to win 68 games instead of 64 at the expense of development of prospects is such a bad idea.
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The official reason is hoping they do well enough in the coming weeks to trade them for something useful before the deadline. Sounds logical.
 
Factorial said:
The official reason is hoping they do well enough in the coming weeks to trade them for something useful before the deadline. Sounds logical.
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I mean, I'm sure that factors in at some level but the idea that 2 good weeks by Marinsick or Newman will lead someone to trade us a real prospect for them is wishcasting beyond belief.
 
MrBrightside said:
I think we can both be frustrated with what the Pirates are doing but also believe that Suwinski could use some time in AAA to get it back together. In 88 PA's since his 3 HR game he's hitting .135/.273/.311/.584 and striking out a ton. It's probably also useful to recall that it's not like he's a top prospect - the odds on his 7th year of control or him being Super-2 eligible mattering to this organization are pretty minimal.

All that said, I have no idea what the hell they are doing. Continuing to waste time with Yoshi and VanMeter and Newman and Marisnick while marooning prospects in AAA just makes no sense at all. Trying to win 68 games instead of 64 at the expense of development of prospects is such a bad idea.
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Yeah, I agree with this. It's perfectly fine to send him down for the reasons you mention. I don't really think the 7th year matters too much, but I do think Option Years first of all and then Super Two matter (and unless he stays down the rest of the year, and maybe not even then, he won't get Super Two) some because it means he's cheap depth. Ultimately, though, I don't think this means all too much in this case, and he needs to make some adjustments regardless.
 
ImporterExporter said:
Jack Leiter is getting absolutely destroyed. Gotta wonder if him starting in AA was the smart move.

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Hindsight feels 20/20 but I'm really glad we didn't go this way at the end.

During some of his studlier performances, he looked great but the strike zone was a joke. It must have been 20% of his strikes that should have been called balls.

I think also it's hard to argue that a fastball is sustainably dominant sitting 93-95. The results were incredible in college but the results on the pitch outstripped the raw quality of the pitch in of itself and there may be some regression against higher-level players. These professional plays are so desensitized to velocity from the right side in this day & age.
 
Glad to see it's Mitchell coming up at least and not another veteran. There might be moderate upside to Allen since he can be retained next year, so maybe what you do is try to drag your feet as long as possible and see if there are suitors for Gamel and Marisnik. I doubt you get anything for either of them, though maybe as low cost depth guys, they have appeal for at least a dart throw.

Bubba is making his debut in Bradenton right now. HBP and homer in the first, but otherwise he's been pretty dominant. They are overpowered by his fastball and he's thrown some nice breaking stuff. Fastball is around 95-95 and up to 98 sometimes.

He has a real old school, almost Andrew Chafin like look on the mound.
 
Chandler got a taste of pro ball certainly. You can see the raw potential, ala Jared Jones. The question is can he harness and command the arsenal. Some of the juicy stuff got tattooed and that's the difference between complex league and A ball.
 
Yeah, I had the same thought about Jones. You can definitely see how good the stuff is from a quick glance, so it will be about settling in and knowing how to make use of his pitches. I think the FB and SL are both easy plus pitches (the FB looks plus plus) and the fact that he seems to be throwing a cutter is also nice.
 
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Yeah, I had the same thought about Jones. You can definitely see how good the stuff is from a quick glance, so it will be about settling in and knowing how to make use of his pitches. I think the FB and SL are both easy plus pitches (the FB looks plus plus) and the fact that he seems to be throwing a cutter is also nice.
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I agree on Jones. He is one where I discount the results because the talent is so immediately obvious. I'd of course like both the talent and the results, but he's still top-10ish in the system for me.
 
ImporterExporter said:
Hard not to get excited about Solo. Coming out of pen as he missed a few weeks with a minor injury. He looks legit. Ended up pitching 4 innings, perfection w/6 Ks. Needed just 49 pitches and threw 34 for strikes.

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Keller, Priester, and Solo are my guys. I've argued for each of them here, and I think we could see each break out. Keller in 22, Priester in 23, and Solometo in 24.
 
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I agree on Jones. He is one where I discount the results because the talent is so immediately obvious. I'd of course like both the talent and the results, but he's still top-10ish in the system for me.
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He's the Joker in the deck that is the Bucs Minor League pitching staff. Under the right circumstances, he could be a serious player, with a huge impact. But he also might not develop the control to pitch in the Show...
 
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Honestly, just seeing Chandler's stuff in a brief appearance today, it's easy to be very bullish on him. I'm all-in on the two-way thing, but the pitches look phenomenal, to the point where if he does start to scuffle at the plate, I don't think it would be anything more than momentary disappointment (with the obvious caveat that an actual Ohtani is such a unicorn valuable player). His fastball has great life on it.



Bradenton has pretty good camerawork and good announcing, so Chandler's starts will be appointment viewing for me this summer.
 
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Cruz rolling so many balls over is not a good sign when you attach it to the K rate.

Thought tonight would be a possible breakout game given Marquez has gotten hammered w/loft against.

Oh well...
 
Gotta give Marisnick credit. Dude has mashed since coming back. But hey, Shelton bud, keep putting him at the bottom of your lineup.

Players that are hot, should hit higher in the order. Wink, wink....
 
Not much to say other than the fact that Jeff VanMeter leading off and dropping pop ups in a complete rout is a pretty ringing endorsement of the state of things under Cherington's rebuild.

It's hard to even believe that the Marlins series was going very well. Hopefully we get the return of some kind of watchable product after the all star break.
 
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Not much to say other than the fact that Jeff VanMeter leading off and dropping pop ups in a complete rout is a pretty ringing endorsement of the state of things under Cherington's rebuild.

It's hard to even believe that the Marlins series was going very well. Hopefully we get the return of some kind of watchable product after the all star break.
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I'm livid without actually being livid (too old these days to get legitimately angry haha).

Roster decisions are on Cherington and whatever philosophy/analytics he and his people are using is putting shit players on the major league roster in the middle of July, when serious service time ramifications are long gone. I get that angle as a poverty franchise. I'm not blind to this fact of the financial landscape. However, there comes a time when continuing to trot out bums that have no place on a ML roster, brings about the death stares from the fans and even media.

And don't think I'm missing the other piece of the pie, which is trying to eek out every bit of trade value from guys like Gamel and Marisnick and VanMeeter. The reality is, even IF those guys are on fire, the adjustment in return vs what they're doing now is minimal. Those types of guys will hit well for 2-3 weeks and then spend 2-3 months below the .200 mark.

Put them in AAA or DFA them. Call up Marcano. Let the man get reps against the best. Same with Roansy. You can manage his innings, even skip a start and not send him up and down between leagues. Nobody expects to win this year anyway, but we'd still like to see an exciting product, with players that actually have a chance to produce for a winning ballclub, unlike the VanMeeters of the world.

Then you have the injury bug, which seems to hit every f***ing prospect of note that comes through. It's absurd. Henry Davis had a wrist, played through it, finally shut down, "healed", comes back, sucks for a few weeks, then goes back on the IL, with the same wrist. Apparently "didn't heal all the way". What kind of f***ing incompetence is this?

Either the people running the departments are braindead and/or you have a communication problem with the fanbase and outside world. Regardless, it's an awful look.

I'll be both excited and plenty worried Sunday when we take a 17 1/2 year old kid, but hopefully we can pull off a nice collection of early picks to give the fans something to discuss without dread.
 
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