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OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Congrats to the Houston Cheaters on their win

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I have the same sort of thought about Bednar at this point. The cliche about relief pitchers and bad teams exists for a reason. I'm skeptical that Cherington is cold enough to actually pull the trigger, but we haven't really been in a place where an unpopular possibility existed. People questioned and didn't like some deals he's made, but he's basically had carte blanche and not much critical eye on things.

What I worry about which I also assume other teams would worry about is the heavy usage. Even if you are bullish on him, he's no good to us if he goes down with any kind of serious injury, or even if for example he has injury problems for a lot of next year and takes a step back in 2024.

I think the offer would have to be reasonably substantial, but there's precedent for it and he would be the best option on the market. If you look at a team like the Blue Jays, they are clearly in something of a panic mode and their bullpen has been a train wreck besides Romano (who'd you'd line up is a different question, but for example, Orelvis Martinez has seen his stock dip a little bit this summer, but his upside is still pretty big)

The obvious looming problem would be the message it sends and the practicality of trying to get a better bullpen in short order. I don't have solutions for either of those except to say that a lot of teams win and slap together bullpens out of nothing. At the very least, I think this should be an option that's on the table and I'm to the point where I hope BC is aggressively looking into offers to see what his options are.
 
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DJ Spinoza said:
I have the same sort of thought about Bednar at this point. The cliche about relief pitchers and bad teams exists for a reason. I'm skeptical that Cherington is cold enough to actually pull the trigger, but we haven't really been in a place where an unpopular possibility existed. People questioned and didn't like some deals he's made, but he's basically had carte blanche and not much critical eye on things.

What I worry about which I also assume other teams would worry about is the heavy usage. Even if you are bullish on him, he's no good to us if he goes down with any kind of serious injury, or even if for example he has injury problems for a lot of next year and takes a step back in 2024.

I think the offer would have to be reasonably substantial, but there's precedent for it and he would be the best option on the market. If you look at a team like the Blue Jays, they are clearly in something of a panic mode and their bullpen has been a train wreck besides Romano (who'd you'd line up is a different question, but for example, Orelvis Martinez has seen his stock dip a little bit this summer, but his upside is still pretty big)

The obvious looming problem would be the message it sends and the practicality of trying to get a better bullpen in short order. I don't have solutions for either of those except to say that a lot of teams win and slap together bullpens out of nothing. At the very least, I think this should be an option that's on the table and I'm to the point where I hope BC is aggressively looking into offers to see what his options are.
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I've gone fully to the dark side with the Manager - dude needs to go. And I'm wondering which major injury he's coaching Bednar into? The 50 pitch game was downright abusive.


Before 25IP .225wOBA .82WHIP 1.95FIP
After 16IP .325wOBA 1.5WHIP 3.80FIP
 
Yeah, I'm fully on board that train. To some extent I understand that he can only work with what he's given, and there are tactical things from time to time that I think he makes good decisions about, but I've never really moved off from the idea that he's a "good vibes while the team sucks" guy.

However, I do get the sense that he and Cherington are pretty much in lock step, and so I really don't think he can lose his job for a little while longer. Perhaps if some improvements are made this winter and the team is still struggling badly next summer, but even then, I think the earliest anything would happen is winter 2023. Also to be frank, after paying Huntington and Hurdle to go away, I highly doubt Nutting will do the same again.

Other teams have to be raising the same type of questions about Bednar, so I'm skeptical that we might get any kind of reasonable haul. He has the control, and he's been pretty dominant when needed, but another factor to consider would be what happens if he's just in a leverage role again. I don't know, I look at the Blue Jays and see a team that's probably pretty desperate to make a splash. Maybe if you believed Orelvis Martinez would turn his stock back around (and he's just 20 and in AA), that's the kind of move that could be on the table, along with another piece and a depth pitcher. But I'm not holding my breath, let alone thinking BC would actually do anything that big this summer.
 
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Cruz is K'ing 35% of the time thus far. Goes without saying, but that isn't sustainable unless you're hitting 40-50 homers a year. Bring that down 5-7% by the end of the year and increase walks. If he can do that I'll be happy regardless of where the BA ends up.
 
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This inning is reminiscent of the end of the game last night. Just absolutely pathetic in every possible way.

The Marlins are complete trash and without Reynolds, we're not really any better.
 
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Yoshi needs to go. There's no point to this.
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This is why I understand all the people who laugh at those who do follow the Bucs. We see the same crap play out year after year. There is no excuse for Bae to be languishing in AAA. None. He's got a great career line, he's hitting very well this year, has like 600 AB's in AA/AAA, can readily play 4-5 positions. It's the middle of July. Service time doesn't matter. So why is he still in AAA? Unless the GM/manager and staff don't think Bae represents an upgrade over VM or basically any of about 6 guys currently on the 25 man.

Why are we running the Gamel's of the world out there instead of letting youngster learn? Guys that have been performing well? Mitchell, Swags, etc.

And none of those guys will even be the next call up. It'll be Allen. yay.

And then we get 1st and 3rd, and what do we get? K looking and Cruz gets caught stealing. Then Marisnick gets caught as well.....Fanf***ingtastic baseball.
 
Shelton needs to go. Period.

Honestly, I need to take a break from this team and reasses if I honestly believe anything will change because these lineup/roster decisions are simply the same bullshit we saw under the last regime. That doesn't even include the in game bullshit we see like that last half inning. Pathetic baseball and that's on Shelton.
 
The only thing that will make this stomachable is if the vets have about 2 more weeks to see if they can be traded or not and then regardless, they are all gone August 3rd. There is no point to rostering any veteran not named Jose Quintana down the stretch.
 
Service time manipulation is responsible for most of these shenanigans. I wonder if the union allows it to such a degree because it gives veterans these sorts of opportunities.
 
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This is why I understand all the people who laugh at those who do follow the Bucs. We see the same crap play out year after year. There is no excuse for Bae to be languishing in AAA. None. He's got a great career line, he's hitting very well this year, has like 600 AB's in AA/AAA, can readily play 4-5 positions. It's the middle of July. Service time doesn't matter. So why is he still in AAA? Unless the GM/manager and staff don't think Bae represents an upgrade over VM or basically any of about 6 guys currently on the 25 man.

Why are we running the Gamel's of the world out there instead of letting youngster learn? Guys that have been performing well? Mitchell, Swags, etc.

And none of those guys will even be the next call up. It'll be Allen. yay.

And then we get 1st and 3rd, and what do we get? K looking and Cruz gets caught stealing. Then Marisnick gets caught as well.....Fanf***ingtastic baseball.
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Do you want to be able to sign Free Agents moving forward? Because there's your likely answer.

Pittsburgh has too many strikes against it in the FA market without having a rep for tossing players aside. It's a balancing act, the team needed to give Yoshi another opportunity, and he is not taking advantage of it. Someday soon he will be gone, and the team's reputation intact for having board us to death another few weeks.
 
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Solid AB from Cruz there. The Ks are a problem, but you had to expect them to tick up. I'm still confident he's going to get going in the right direction, and everything else about him has been an encouragement IMO, above all the defense.
 
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Damn RIP Rojas' teeth.

Looked like a bang bang play there for Cruz. I agree with the send and IMO you just have to credit this catcher, that was a perfect throw.
 
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Solid AB from Cruz there. The Ks are a problem, but you had to expect them to tick up. I'm still confident he's going to get going in the right direction, and everything else about him has been an encouragement IMO, above all the defense.
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Yep, he responded the last 2 AB's. I think he'll be fine. He doesn't even need to be a big average guy with his affinity for extra base hits. If he can settle in as a 250/350/550 type hitter, we're golden.

Not sure how great he's going to be at stealing bases either. He's got elite top end but it takes him a little bit longer to get there. I get the idea in sending him again but he's already been thrown out once.
 
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