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OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Congrats to the Houston Cheaters on their win

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Crowe should be better than this.

Regardless, look against any lefty, to win we need Chavis and/or Castillo to go off. Today that box was emphatically checked.

Going forward we need 2-3 right handed bats from our minors at least. Cruz, Suwinski, Madris, Swaggerty if he makes it, Cal Mitchell if he makes it...
All these guys will just be passable at best against a lefty. The earlier we accept this the better.
 
DocEmrickSkitters said:
Crowe should be better than this.

Regardless, look against any lefty, to win we need Chavis and/or Castillo to go off. Today that box was emphatically checked.

Going forward we need 2-3 right handed bats from our minors at least. Cruz, Suwinski, Madris, Swaggerty if he makes it, Cal Mitchell if he makes it...
All these guys will just be passable at best against a lefty. The earlier we accept this the better.
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Suwinski's OPSing 675 against Lefties during the poorest stretch of hitting you will see from him. One's a fact the other's an opinion.
 
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Is .675 good now? I mean I guess it is but sheesh.

Get here soon Henry Davis
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Well I see the implication is, there's no place to go but up against Lefties - 675 represents his floor.

I have dug as deep as possible on Jack Suwinski. If he maintains his current commitment and focus, he's still going to be getting better at the plate as he exits his 20's. He's the guy that maximizes all his tools, and will reach whatever his ceiling is, given good health.
 
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Well I see the implication is, there's no place to go but up against Lefties - 675 represents his floor.
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Yeah, the league can figure you out.

See our friend exit-velo Ke'Bryan for instance. I'm not taking Suwinski as an average hitter against lefties for granted.
 
DocEmrickSkitters said:
Yeah, the league can figure you out.

See our friend exit-velo Ke'Bryan for instance. I'm not taking Suwinski as an average hitter against lefties for granted.
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Whatever the League does to adjust to Jack, Jack will adjust back. That's who he is - he's a worker - and a baseball addict.

Now certainly I may be getting carried away, however I'm buying on Jack Suwinski. He's got the goods behind the eyes. And the heart is legit.
 


There is no reason for him to make short appearances in Indianapolis, even considering the obvious that his innings in general will need to be managed and he will not finish the season in Pittsburgh.

This is about avoiding Super Two status with him.
 
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There is no reason for him to make short appearances in Indianapolis, even considering the obvious that his innings in general will need to be managed and he will not finish the season in Pittsburgh.

This is about avoiding Super Two status with him.
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Agree 100%. Shit move if it costs him a start with the Bucs.
 
Wait why are people assuming Contreras is going down for service time manipulation? He's being sent down because he pitched the first game of the double header and they wanted an extra pitcher for the second game.

I'd be shocked if he wasn't back up tomorrow.
 
Whatever Wilson worked on down in Indy is paying off. Huge DP there. He looks a lot better, though that still only puts him into bottom of rotation type. Still, he'd be a welcome arm in terms of eating innings up and not getting completely shelled.
 
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Wait why are people assuming Contreras is going down for service time manipulation? He's being sent down because he pitched the first game of the double header and they wanted an extra pitcher for the second game.

I'd be shocked if he wasn't back up tomorrow.
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He can't come back up for 15 days unless there is an injury.

The Pirates basically have no incentive not to mess with his service time because he will be on a tight innings cap this year. They need about a month of games where he is not on the MLB roster in order to likely dodge him getting Super Two status, which I think neatly explains the weird "short stints" he'll get for Indianapolis, as if he couldn't just come out of the bullpen as a 2-3 inning starter and get more time vs. MLB hitters.

It's whatever, but I think the best call for his development is obviously to throw as many pitches as he has left in him for 2022 in the big leagues.
 
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He can't come back up for 15 days unless there is an injury.

The Pirates basically have no incentive not to mess with his service time because he will be on a tight innings cap this year. They need about a month of games where he is not on the MLB roster in order to likely dodge him getting Super Two status, which I think neatly explains the weird "short stints" he'll get for Indianapolis, as if he couldn't just come out of the bullpen as a 2-3 inning starter and get more time vs. MLB hitters.

It's whatever, but I think the best call for his development is obviously to throw as many pitches as he has left in him for 2022 in the big leagues.
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Okay so nevermind, him being demoted makes no sense then beyond service time manipulation.

I figured they'd just send him down for the night game and then call him up tomorrow, but I guess I can see why the MLB doesn't allow you to do that. You could effectively just send down your other 4 starting pitchers for bullpen arms every single game if they have options available.
 
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Okay so nevermind, him being demoted makes no sense then beyond service time manipulation.

I figured they'd just send him down for the night game and then call him up tomorrow, but I guess I can see why the MLB doesn't allow you to do that. You could effectively just send down your other 4 starting pitchers for bullpen arms every single game if they have options available.
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Yeah, I mean it's a combination of being relatively savvy + necessary at some point, since he's already at or near the amount he threw last year. My read of it is that they can't quite get the days that they need by sending him officially off the roster for the few weeks around the All Star Break, so after the break, they'll slow roll him so that he's still on the AAA roster for another 2-3 weeks.

At least Wilson is stringing together some decent innings for us. We're going to need him to shoulder some games regardless of what is going on with Contreras or others.
 
DJ Spinoza said:
He can't come back up for 15 days unless there is an injury.

The Pirates basically have no incentive not to mess with his service time because he will be on a tight innings cap this year. They need about a month of games where he is not on the MLB roster in order to likely dodge him getting Super Two status, which I think neatly explains the weird "short stints" he'll get for Indianapolis, as if he couldn't just come out of the bullpen as a 2-3 inning starter and get more time vs. MLB hitters.

It's whatever, but I think the best call for his development is obviously to throw as many pitches as he has left in him for 2022 in the big leagues.
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I have heard it’s a paper only move since he isn’t going to start again before the all star break. Covid rules say he can be on the taxi squad
 


Yes, it's a paper move, but it's one that gets him days where he is technically not an MLBer, which = days that end up not counting towards whether he is Super 2 eligible or not. Here's where I'm getting the additional stuff about Indianapolis, which I imagine stretches out to 3 weeks or so, thus buying maybe 35 days that don't count towards his MLB service clock (plus the other ones he was down over the course of this year, which likely avoids Super 2).

All I can say besides the skepticism about how it helps/hurts his development is that I hope they at least invest more money in the team by starting with Reynolds (ironically, if we try to sign Cruz to an extension, it renders the manipulation we did a moot point, but the fact that we did it still buys us leverage for whatever negotiations might happen).
 
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Hopefully this is the nail in the coffin for DFAing VanMeter. Get him off the team and get Marcano back up.
 
DJ Spinoza said:


Yes, it's a paper move, but it's one that gets him days where he is technically not an MLBer, which = days that end up not counting towards whether he is Super 2 eligible or not. Here's where I'm getting the additional stuff about Indianapolis, which I imagine stretches out to 3 weeks or so, thus buying maybe 35 days that don't count towards his MLB service clock (plus the other ones he was down over the course of this year, which likely avoids Super 2).

All I can say besides the skepticism about how it helps/hurts his development is that I hope they at least invest more money in the team by starting with Reynolds (ironically, if we try to sign Cruz to an extension, it renders the manipulation we did a moot point, but the fact that we did it still buys us leverage for whatever negotiations might happen).
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Thankful the Bucs are playing it smart with Contrares.
 
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