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No worries. I was just curious. I appreciate you sharing this insight.
OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Congrats to the Houston Cheaters on their win
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No worries. I was just curious. I appreciate you sharing this insight.
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And honestly guys, I'd appreciate this not going all over the internet word for word. I'm probably going to erase these as some point. He's not with the Bucs anymore.
But I don't want to potentially out him too hard so everything got erased.
But I don't want to potentially out him too hard so everything got erased.
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Wow, great read. Thank you for sharing all of that. A lot of what was posted mirrors how I feel/think about past/present happenings.
Really wonder why Baz ended up being dealt. Sounds like there was some definite behind the scenes bullshit going on and it had nothing to do with actual performance or potential. Baz is probably the biggest loss from the NH era. He would fit in right with Roansy as top of the rotation anchors for a potential title contender based on age, service time.
Wow, great read. Thank you for sharing all of that. A lot of what was posted mirrors how I feel/think about past/present happenings.
Really wonder why Baz ended up being dealt. Sounds like there was some definite behind the scenes bullshit going on and it had nothing to do with actual performance or potential. Baz is probably the biggest loss from the NH era. He would fit in right with Roansy as top of the rotation anchors for a potential title contender based on age, service time.
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Yeah it's pretty amazing to see how right I was and how wrong I was about some stuff. At least if you value a perspective such as this over your own.
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Sounds like he tore his quad, which is a painful injury but not quite as serious as blowing out a knee or achilles. Either way, his year is probably over if they expect him to miss a couple of months.
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I'm not saying none of them will hit. I'm saying that our A and A+ levels and the prospects at them does not represent a competitive advantage vs. much of the league. Our lower minors aren't strong right now.
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For what it's worth, and I realize this kind of thing is inevitably nebulous, I have it on good authority that the components and scope of the Archer trade were not made by Huntington. It was Coonelly...
That said, I do think that aggressively trading prospects is the right move when the situation dictates. The area where the Pirates remain a real question is in terms of development. That's the difference between having the picks to make talent / having a teardown to acquire talent vs. continually churning out players who meet or exceed their capabilities.
It's not exactly an easy comparison since the Dodgers quite literally have various staff budgets that dwarf anyone but the Yankees (i.e., they have the highest quality and also just literally more staff people), but that's how the Dodgers have been able to really turn on the engine jets in addition to the marquee payroll of course. Still too early for any of these kinds of calls, but getting useful players out of guys like Suwinski, Madris, Castillo, etc., is a good way to calibrate the strides that need to be taken by the developmental team. Outside of Sanders, the amateur scouting group is the same as under Huntington, especially in the top positions.
That said, I do think that aggressively trading prospects is the right move when the situation dictates. The area where the Pirates remain a real question is in terms of development. That's the difference between having the picks to make talent / having a teardown to acquire talent vs. continually churning out players who meet or exceed their capabilities.
It's not exactly an easy comparison since the Dodgers quite literally have various staff budgets that dwarf anyone but the Yankees (i.e., they have the highest quality and also just literally more staff people), but that's how the Dodgers have been able to really turn on the engine jets in addition to the marquee payroll of course. Still too early for any of these kinds of calls, but getting useful players out of guys like Suwinski, Madris, Castillo, etc., is a good way to calibrate the strides that need to be taken by the developmental team. Outside of Sanders, the amateur scouting group is the same as under Huntington, especially in the top positions.
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Nice story on Cruz and the presence he brings to the locker room.
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I don't think BR is traded. The offer would have to massive and DJ has pointed out, you rarely see top 10-20 prospects in all of baseball traded, especially with numerous other legit names attached.
I'd love to see us sign him to say a 5 year - 100 million extension this winter as I think 20M per year is what he's worth (prob a bit more) and it would still give him a chance to net a multi year offer after this type of extension was over. Maybe make the 5th year a player option. Reynolds doesn't strike me as a guy who wants to move around, dealing with fanfare, hype. I believe it when the insiders say he wants to remain in Pittsburgh. Just the vibe I get from BR. The question is, will the Pirates offer him something that he can accept financially, and B, will Boras green light it/Reynolds overule Boras if the offer is close enough?
I'd love to see us sign him to say a 5 year - 100 million extension this winter as I think 20M per year is what he's worth (prob a bit more) and it would still give him a chance to net a multi year offer after this type of extension was over. Maybe make the 5th year a player option. Reynolds doesn't strike me as a guy who wants to move around, dealing with fanfare, hype. I believe it when the insiders say he wants to remain in Pittsburgh. Just the vibe I get from BR. The question is, will the Pirates offer him something that he can accept financially, and B, will Boras green light it/Reynolds overule Boras if the offer is close enough?
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At least he's back in there. Cruz really should be higher, I think -- putting him 4th in front of Vogelbach would get him the best chance to see good pitches. Shelton is going to mess around with the lineup a bunch anyways, but bleh on both.
I actually don't mind a heavy dose of VanMeter but I'm hoping it's for my speculative theory that we're giving him everyday rope to show enough to earn a job, and it's him vs. Yoshi. Even setting that aside, Madris is probably getting squeezed with Gamel, so I don't know how you send down anyone else - maybe Castillo.
I actually don't mind a heavy dose of VanMeter but I'm hoping it's for my speculative theory that we're giving him everyday rope to show enough to earn a job, and it's him vs. Yoshi. Even setting that aside, Madris is probably getting squeezed with Gamel, so I don't know how you send down anyone else - maybe Castillo.
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Could be a lot of BS, but the rumblings have been out there. Just comes down to development of prospects and whether Shelton and company can actually produce results with talented players when they arrive.
Flip Cruz and Madris. Cruz sitting between Reynolds and Vogey is really nice protection.
With those players I'm rolling this out.
1. Marcano
2. Reynolds
3. Cruz
4. Vogey
5. Suwinski
6. Madris
7. Hayes
8. Perez
9. VanMeeter
Flip Cruz and Madris. Cruz sitting between Reynolds and Vogey is really nice protection.
With those players I'm rolling this out.
1. Marcano
2. Reynolds
3. Cruz
4. Vogey
5. Suwinski
6. Madris
7. Hayes
8. Perez
9. VanMeeter
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I don't think it would cost quite $20 million a year to extend Reynolds, unless he repeats what he did last year. Marte got $19.5 million a year after coming off a season that was on pace for 6.4 WAR (4.7 WAR in 120 games), and has been almost exactly a 5.0 WAR per 162 game guy over his career. If Reynolds is a 5 WAR guy per season, I think 5 years at $100 million is pretty close, although I'd bump a bit off to account for Reynolds still having 1 year of arbitration left.
Reynolds is only on pace for 3.6 WAR this year, and I would hope he would come in at $15 million at most if he's sitting around 4 WAR per season.
Reynolds is only on pace for 3.6 WAR this year, and I would hope he would come in at $15 million at most if he's sitting around 4 WAR per season.
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Roansy just serving up middle middle fastballs isn't going to cut it. He's getting obliterated.
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According to the broadcast, Newman is playing 2B in his rehab assignment and is likely going to be playing there a vast majority of the time. Makes me wonder if Castillo and Marcano both end up going down when Newman comes back.
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I think Castillo is the best guess just because 15 days gets the 7th year of control for him. I think Madris is probably who goes for Gamel, though I also think the plan might be to play both Newman and Gamel with the idea of trading them in another 3 weeks.
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He's not anything more than organizational filler, but letting Vieaux just destroy his arm doesn't seem like the best idea. 54 pitches and counting, about 10 strikes which were all obliterated.
This is one of the ugliest games I can remember.
This is one of the ugliest games I can remember.
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Yeah I don't mean to diss Vieaux by saying that. He's actually looked half decent in appearances so far, but he clearly didn't have it tonight, and there's no reason to leave him in the game like that. "Player centric organization" my ass.
Tomorrow is just as likely to get ugly, whether it's Wilson or Yajure. The pitching depth in the organization is atrocious. Burrows was looking pretty good until it unraveled in the 5th tonight in Indy, but even if he strings some starts together and is aggressively promoted, he's not going to give you many innings this season.
Tomorrow is just as likely to get ugly, whether it's Wilson or Yajure. The pitching depth in the organization is atrocious. Burrows was looking pretty good until it unraveled in the 5th tonight in Indy, but even if he strings some starts together and is aggressively promoted, he's not going to give you many innings this season.
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