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Prospect Info: Quinton Byfield (2nd Overall 2020 Draft) Discussion part II

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The jump in Byfield's play will come when he fills out, can hold onto the puck like Kopi & the game slows down because one on one not many will be able to get the puck from him. With the extra time in the Ozone, he'll have time to get those good passing plays off.
 
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The time to get a big return (him returning a 1C for example) is probably passed anyways.

If he was a key piece in trading for Matthews, sure, if it’s to fill a 2nd pair LHD or goalie hole, then it’s probably not good asset management.

I know many (me included) didn’t want to include him in a deal for Eichel, but in hindsight that was very likely a mistake. Kopitar turns 36 this season and still no replacement for him.
 
Mats26 said:
Probably the same as the ones who wanted to trade Kempe before breaking out.
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What was Kempe doing before he broke out? You make it sound like it was evident he was going to become a sniper when Kempes biggest issue was he’d be on fire for ten games and disappear.
 
Sol said:
What was Kempe doing before he broke out?
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Let's see he had completed his D+6 season (age 24) with a whopping 14 goals after previous seasons of 11, 12, 16 and 2... started off D+7 (age 25) year doing nothing and taking bad penalties. Yes thats an obvious trend toward 35 goal season /s
 
FSL KINGS said:
The jump in Byfield's play will come when he fills out, can hold onto the puck like Kopi & the game slows down because one on one not many will be able to get the puck from him. With the extra time in the Ozone, he'll have time to get those good passing plays off.
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Do we have any clear examples of the game slowing down for someone? The timing and choice on shots/passes as well as getting into spaces is usually a hockey IQ thing. Rarely improvable. I think there's cases where players try to do too much instead of letting the game come to them. As well as cases of players being too tentative and not assertive enough. But you rarely get the decision-making and timing in seeing and getting into spaces at correct times corrected. Which is why I was not a fan of the Kupari pick, who looked at the time to have top line physical ability and skills and bottom 6 brains. Not saying Byfield is that guy, I just wonder whether there were any prospects who improved in that area in NHL, I can't think of any clear examples.
 
There are two frustrating forces that I'm seeing as a lurker and sometimes poster on this board, and it's been bothering me.

One force is from a group who seem to take trends, comparisons, some statistics, etc., and seem to then FIRMLY and CONFIDENTLY predict the future of this team and it's development with no caveats or nuance. Great example it is FOR SURE, WITHOUT DOUBT, the case that Vilardi was a bust and would never recover.

I understand and sympathize with the reliance on statistics and trends, that's very level headed and reasonable. However, often it's the case that these posters refuse to acknowledge nuance, refuse to eat crow when they are wrong, and simultaneously continue to FIRMLY and CONFIDENTLY without caveat make other predictions about the future, berating other posters with their predictions.

HOWEVEVR, on the opposite side there are the equally frustrating force of those who appeal to the fuzziness and unpredictability of the future to CONFIDENTLY and FIRMLY state that there is no way that anyone can predict anything, and bludgeon that fuzziness against the other force. They always use fuzziness as "evidence" that their opinions are right.

And with these people it's not that they refuse to eat crow but instead they point to very unlikely outliers as proof that they are right about their opinions all along, IE such as the Vilardi fan saying "AH, I was right all along about him being great"

Reading this board has become increasingly insufferable because both sides are only concerned with appearing right without engaging with nuance. Yes, statistics and history are valuable, and yes the future is fuzzy to predict, and we should simultaneously acknowledge all of these things and engage with open mindedness and respect.
 
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lexlavender said:
There are two frustrating forces that I'm seeing as a lurker and sometimes poster on this board, and it's been bothering me.

One force is from a group who seem to take trends, comparisons, some statistics, etc., and seem to then FIRMLY and CONFIDENTLY predict the future of this team and it's development with no caveats or nuance. Great example it is FOR SURE, WITHOUT DOUBT, the case that Vilardi was a bust and would never recover.

I understand and sympathize with the reliance on statistics and trends, that's very level headed and reasonable. However, often it's the case that these posters refuse to acknowledge nuance, refuse to eat crow when they are wrong, and simultaneously continue to FIRMLY and CONFIDENTLY without caveat make other predictions about the future, berating other posters with their predictions.

HOWEVEVR, on the opposite side there are the equally frustrating force of those who appeal to the fuzziness and unpredictability of the future to CONFIDENTLY and FIRMLY state that there is no way that anyone can predict anything, and bludgeon that fuzziness against the other force. They always use fuzziness as "evidence" that their opinions are right.

And with these people it's not that they refuse to eat crow but instead they point to very unlikely outliers as proof that they are right about their opinions all along, IE such as the Vilardi fan saying "AH, I was right all along about him being great"

Reading this board has become increasingly insufferable because both sides are only concerned with appearing right without engaging with nuance. Yes, statistics and history are valuable, and yes the future is fuzzy to predict, and we should simultaneously acknowledge all of these things and engage with open mindedness and respect.
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Good post. Personally, I find this board to be overwhelmingly negative for a team that is ‘on the rise’ and has a lot of great things going for them and to look forward to. So negative that I often wonder how these individuals can possibly even be fans. If I felt like that towards anything, I certainly wouldn’t spend my day posting about it incessantly.

Anyways, in my forced leave of absence, I found other avenues where I can talk about the Kings and not feel like it’s a constant suicide watch. PM me if you’d like more info.
 
AbsentMojo said:
Let's see he had completed his D+6 season (age 24) with a whopping 14 goals after previous seasons of 11, 12, 16 and 2... started off D+7 (age 25) year doing nothing and taking bad penalties. Yes thats an obvious trend toward 35 goal season /s
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That’s was pretty stupid about the posts on this page. People acting like there was signs for a player breaking out and putting it together vs a player randomly doing it all in one go.

People point to Kempe and Vilardi while pretending they knew Vilardi was suddenly going to put it together. Kempe peaked later for a forward. And Vilardi showed skill yes, but show no cohesion to his game. Yet they use these guys as examples? Vilardi who couldn’t even skate and Kempe who did f*** all for years? Come on.

There wasn’t more than one or two people who saw Vilardi snd said to themselves “Yeah you can tell he’s around the corner” not one person.

Anyone who says they saw the rebirth of Vilardi coming is lying to you.
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
How about the people who said it's too soon to make judgement one way or the other?
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No one was saying that for the most part. I don’t remember anyone saying that because Vilardis biggest issue was he couldn’t skate. He was woefully ineffective. There wasn’t a real reason to hold out hope on a player who couldn’t even join the play.
 
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