Prospect Info: Quinton Byfield (2nd Overall 2020 Draft) Discussion part II

[Axl Rhoadz]

And maybe you could also explain the reasons you believe that Byfield will end up as a better offensive center than Kopitar was in his prime.

Since you include comments in every one of your posts regarding others making false claims about you, why don't you direct me to the post where I said that ^^^

Be better, Herby.

 

[Herby]

Since you include comments in every one of your posts regarding others making false claims about you, why don't you direct me to the post where I said that ^^^

Be better, Herby.

Kopitar had one 85 point season in his entire career. If Byfield is an 85 point center for the Kings wouldn’t that mean he is better offensively?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Kopitar had one 85 point season in his entire career. If Byfield is an 85 point center for the Kings wouldn’t that mean he is better offensively?

I never compared the two -- I was basically referencing what would be considered a #1 center in the NHL. I guess you are saying he will never be that....I am saying, at this point, I have no idea...however, if he did develop into that, would it still be the 'wrong' pick?

Took Olli Jokinen almost 500 games before it was deemed he was the right pick. How many games has QB played?

 

[Schrute farms]

On another note:

Have any of you seen anyone in a Byfield jersey yet?

I saw 3 on Saturday night -- one was a girl. I was surprised seeing them and thus why it caught my eye that night.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kopitar had one 85 point season in his entire career. If Byfield is an 85 point center for the Kings wouldn’t that mean he is better offensively?

I could see Byfield being an 85-90 point guy--better strictly offensively and in a more uptempo system, more offensive era--and defensively sound, but I wouldn't say he'll ever be 'better' than Kopitar all around. And I'm higher on Byfield than most, but I guess I'm even higher on Kopitar's career than most. At the peak of his powers the only C I'd have over him is a healthy Malkin or Crosby. Byfield is going to have to deal with the obvious from his own class but also peak McDavid, Matthews, Bedard, Hughes, etc...the chance of him becoming a hall of fame defensive/two-way force even better than those guys is admittedly slim and again that's coming from a dude who has defended him like crazy.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I would also draw attention back to this at this point, especially given Byfield's development with new usage:

Draisaitl:

Byfield:

For those of us who ARE seeing development in his game, I wouldn't be surprised to see him potting 60-70pts next year with confidence, a full offseason and health, and work on his shot.

For those who aren't, well, I guess it will just continue to sound like platitudes and copium until it's not. I'm more confident in Byfield than I even was in Vilardi. At least in getting to the 70 pt level. Beyond that, the sky is the limit if he wants to grab it.

 

[bmr]

I could see Byfield being an 85-90 point guy--better strictly offensively and in a more uptempo system, more offensive era--and defensively sound, but I wouldn't say he'll ever be 'better' than Kopitar all around. And I'm higher on Byfield than most, but I guess I'm even higher on Kopitar's career than most. At the peak of his powers the only C I'd have over him is a healthy Malkin or Crosby. Byfield is going to have to deal with the obvious from his own class but also peak McDavid, Matthews, Bedard, Hughes, etc...the chance of him becoming a hall of fame defensive/two-way force even better than those guys is admittedly slim and again that's coming from a dude who has defended him like crazy.

Agreed!

I really think QB will be in the 50-60 point range next year if healthy. It was great seeing him get that empty netter with all the work he's been doing. I was thinking about him today and he really does remind me a little bit of Neo in the Matrix when Morpheus was trying to get him to believe in his own powers. Little bit of an exaggeration there, but QB may not even truly understand how impactful he can be yet.

Kopitar is so underrated over his career it's not even funny. When paired with the right linemates and in the right system, he's still a force and he's shown that this year. I love how he is now a lot more deadly in the slot on the PP as well. Adding Fiala and Hiller has really increased helped with generating dynamic offense.

 

[BigKing]

I saw 3 on Saturday night -- one was a girl. I was surprised seeing them and thus why it caught my eye that night.

They sold out of Reverse Retro jerseys with player names already on them except for Byfield: he was the last one available. I imagine some people went for that in the end.

 

[psych3man]

Expecting a 20 year old to be a generational talent with koala as his coach smh

This a million times.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I think that people who think Kempes trajectory is normal are generally too far off in the deep end.

“It’s not ideal so it’s better to let them take a spot that they should have taken a lot sooner rather than give someone else a chance to grab it.”

Ah the surf nutz-Axl special. You love to see it lol.

Where does the world normal appear in my comment?
Everyone is different and Kempe took longer than some.
Now we have a 35 goal scorer at 5.5 so that it helps offset the wait for him to break out.
If the guys don't break out they are more affordable not that it is optimal.

It’s almost like teams win cup through player development..

Lmao I can’t believe you just advocated for organizations to purposefully sabotage their rookies so they don’t become too good and mess up the cap WHILE the team wins the cup while holding their better players back.


I’m glad you added Nutz to your name because it’s spot on.

That is not what I said either.
When did sabotage become a synonym for development.
Have some coffee and wake up before you respond next time.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I would also draw attention back to this at this point, especially given Byfield's development with new usage:

Draisaitl:

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Byfield:

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For those of us who ARE seeing development in his game, I wouldn't be surprised to see him potting 60-70pts next year with confidence, a full offseason and health, and work on his shot.

For those who aren't, well, I guess it will just continue to sound like platitudes and copium until it's not. I'm more confident in Byfield than I even was in Vilardi. At least in getting to the 70 pt level. Beyond that, the sky is the limit if he wants to grab it.

Good point on Vilardi.

If Byfield turns into a 60+ point forward as soon as next year the Kings will continue to have one of the deepest forward corps in the league, if not the deepest.

 

[Sol]

Where does the world normal appear in my comment?
Everyone is different and Kempe tool longer than some.
Now we have a 35 goal scorer at 5.5 so that it helps offset the wait fo him to break out.
If the guys don't break out they are more affordable not that it is optimal.


That is not what I said either.
When did sabotage become a synonym for development.
Have some coffee and wake up before you respond next time.

I respect the fact that you’re moving goal posts. That shows some understanding that you were having your typical Axl Nutz moment.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Agreed!

I really think QB will be in the 50-60 point range next year if healthy. It was great seeing him get that empty netter with all the work he's been doing. I was thinking about him today and he really does remind me a little bit of Neo in the Matrix when Morpheus was trying to get him to believe in his own powers. Little bit of an exaggeration there, but QB may not even truly understand how impactful he can be yet.

Kopitar is so underrated over his career it's not even funny. When paired with the right linemates and in the right system, he's still a force and he's shown that this year. I love how he is now a lot more deadly in the slot on the PP as well. Adding Fiala and Hiller has really increased helped with generating dynamic offense.

How awesome is Blake!

Going for it now and going for it in the future with the prospects we have coming up.

They will be supplemented with more savvy trades and acquisitions

He makes moves that build on top of each other.

1. Get rid of valued role players and acquire young players and picks.

2. Danault

3. Fiala

4. Korpi and Gavri

5 Hold Kempe , GV and they break out.

6. Hold young talent and wait for them to develop and

7, Trade picks when window is now open.

8. Hold players down where possible to benefit team salary structure.

9, Do not be low balled on any trades, look for teams in binds and trade with them.

10. Hold as much depth for as long as possible, continually evaluate, and give players a shot when there are injuries.

11. Understand your coach and who he would and would not play, and when.

12. Give Brandt a solid opportunity, assess and return to juniors. Same next year and send him to the AHL.

13. Make most moves over the summer when you get most of the work done.

14. Keep Moverare away from waiver wires

15. Ignore the whiners, haters and special needs fans complaining.

16. Make moves over the summer or by next season trade deadline at the latest if Spence, Clark, Moverare and others continue to develop and are NHL ready to the satisfaction of TMAC.

17. TMac is looking good right now needs to get to round 2 or more this year.

Rob Blake we salute you !
Thank you,
on behalf of every poster here on LAK HF boards!

 

[Surf Nutz]

I respect the fact that you’re moving goal posts. That shows some understanding that you were having your typical Axl Nutz moment.

How so and the AXL bait is stale.
I nibbled on it and spit it out like you spit out comments putting words in peoples mouth that they never said.
You have an occasional good comment too.
Pretty sure Axl is married to a woman, sorry.

 

[Sol]

How so and the AXL bait is stale.
I nibbled on it and spit it out like you spit out comments putting words in peoples mouth that they never said.
You have an occasional good comment too.
Pretty sure Axl is married to a woman, sorry.

Lol you sure seem to know a lot about him ay. Go read your previous comments. I don’t think I can be anymore reductive in my explanation to make it easier for you to understand. Try your best to piece it together.

 

[psych3man]

I have only read through page 56 but I have to add this to the Byfield/Stutzle discussion.

Do the "we should've picked Stutzle" people really believe he would have this level of production at this time if he had started in the Kings system?

I say "No way!"

Also, what if the Senators had drafted Byfield and given him all the opportunity afforded Stutzle?
No requirements to check, play defense, fight in the corners before earning L1 assignments, PP ice time, OT ice time, and overall L1 ice time from minute one...

That would be an interesting Byfield.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Lol you sure seem to know a lot about him ay. Go read your previous comments. I don’t think I can be anymore reductive in my explanation to make it easier for you to understand. Try your best to piece it together.

I read AXl's comments and he is just more on the money than you mand any of the other posters.
In case you missed it last night, I call it like I see it.
He does not care about the good old boys shining each others bumpers on here while their windshields are caked with brown stuff.
What happens when the Kings get to round 2?

 

[Sol]

I read AXl's comments and he is just more on the money than you and any of the other posters.
In case you missed it last night, I call it like I see it.
He does not care about the good old boys shining each others bumpers on here while their windshields are caked with brown stuff.
What happens when the Kings get to round 2.

Is he also the most handsome of us too?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Is he also the most handsome of us too?

without a f***ing doubt...

 

[Sol]

without a f***ing doubt...

I respect the account swap. That was pretty funny.

 

[psych3man]

error, sorry

Kane did it,

Kane---defense??? Are you kidding me, Herby.... He has been a cherry picker who back checks once every 5 or so shifts. I always say Kane is the best American forward ever. But his defense is and always has been atrocious. It is not what he was made for.

(This is also why how the Kings have handled Kaliyev in the opposite way the Hawks treated Kane makes me crazy. I did not say Kaliyev = Kane. They are both offensively elite and that part of their game should be the main focus.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I respect the account swap. That was pretty funny.

Lol it was!
Thanks for chiming in AXl .
I know @Soil's bait is usually too stale for you.
The Kings are built for a shot at the West now and also for the future and you have our esteemed GM in a dunce hat on your avatar.
Timing is important.
Try not to project.
Don't worry I thanke d ROb for you and all the other Malcontent's
You are also losing the comedy competition on here.
But thanks for playing (kinda).

 

[Sol]

Lol it was!
Thanks for chiming in AXl .
I know @Soil's bait is usually too stale for you.
The Kings are built for a shot at the West now and also for the future and you have our esteemed GM in a dunce hat on your avatar.
Timing is important.
Try not to project.
Don't worry I thanke d ROb for you and all the other Malcontent's
You are also losing the comedy competition on here.
But thanks for playing (kinda).

You should send him a letter, maybe even spray your best perfume on it too.

Lol alright even though it was funny you came clean about the alt I’m done with this exchange now.

 

[Surf Nutz]

You should send him a letter, maybe even spray your best perfume on it too.

Lol alright even though it was funny you came clean about the alt I’m done with this exchange now.

I was saying it was funny.
Told you already posters like me and Axl don't hide.

 

[SmytheKing]

I have only read through page 56 but I have to add this to the Byfield/Stutzle discussion.

Do the "we should've picked Stutzle" people really believe he would have this level of production at this time if he had started in the Kings system?

I say "No way!"

Also, what if the Senators had drafted Byfield and given him all the opportunity afforded Stutzle?
No requirements to check, play defense, fight in the corners before earning L1 assignments, PP ice time, OT ice time, and overall L1 ice time from minute one...

That would be an interesting Byfield.

Close to, yes. His game already translated to the NHL. He was agile and quick with great hands in tight spaces. You watch any of his highlights from the draft year and you see him creating space and making plays. He absolutely would have done the same thing with the Kings. Would his numbers be AS good? Maybe not as, but still quite.