Prospect Info: Quinton Byfield (2nd Overall 2020 Draft) Discussion part II

[cyclones22]

I'd be okay with Turcotte subbing in on either wing, but agreed.

I'd be okay with 15 minutes of TOI each FFS.

 

[mysterman2]

Just learned Tage is the son of former King Brent Thompson. Remember this commercial with Brent and Derek Armstrong???

 

[kings11]

I'd be okay with 15 minutes of TOI each FFS.

Let’s not get too greedy!

 

[cyclones22]

Let’s not get too greedy!

Imagine being the top powerplay weapon by FAR from the start of last season and being 9th in powerplay TOI. What a joke.

 

[kings11]

Imagine being the top powerplay weapon by FAR from the start of last season and being 9th in powerplay TOI. What a joke.

Oh, it’s moved beyond being a joke, then a nervous tick, then a bit of anger.. fast forward and it’s f***en rage with how stupid our HC is, I would say stubborn but we’ve past that point!
Heads need to roll!

 

[Fishhead]

TOI is not a good stat to measure PP success. Wouldn’t your top PP guys always have less time? I mean, the guys who rack up PP time aren't as successful, because if you score the PP ends. So if you have a guy that is scoring quickly on the PP to the point where his time is low you probably should not change a thing.

You dont want to be looking at TOI anyways, you want to be looking at shifts and starts. Arty actually has more PP starts than Fiala and Kopitar, he just tends to score which cuts his shifts short. So that low TOI is actually a reflection of what the coaches are doing right.

 

[Kingfan1967]

Before I die I want to see a Kaliyev-Byfield-Vilardi line get the most TOI in a Kings game.

No one lives forever , but you certainly have a good chance.

 

[mysterman2]

Imagine being the top powerplay weapon by FAR from the start of last season and being 9th in powerplay TOI. What a joke.

My main criticism of TMAC is his ineptitude at putting players in roles to succeed and failing to see the obvious. Usage of Kaliyev just but one example.

Durzi on the PK another glaring example.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

My main criticism of TMAC is his ineptitude at putting players in roles to succeed and failing to see the obvious. Usage of Kaliyev just but one example.

Durzi on the PK another glaring example.

My scouting report is that I'm a possible top tier offensive defenseman but have always had defensive focus issues. I'm a rarity being an RHD, but if you use me properly, I should be a good depth defenseman with an offensive bent.

LOL 24 MINUTE A GAME LHD and #4 PKER

 

[mysterman2]

My scouting report is that I'm a possible top tier offensive defenseman but have always had defensive focus issues. I'm a rarity being an RHD, but if you use me properly, I should be a good depth defenseman with an offensive bent.

LOL 24 MINUTE A GAME LHD and #4 PKER

LOL....and clearly offensively skilled and can contribute on the PP; TMAC runs doughty for the first 90 seconds to do absolutely nothing.

 

[Sol]

Call me when any of that stuff translates into the NHL. Tired of the fake hype. Let’s see him score more than 5 goals in 54 career nhl games. We all want him to do well but we should stop pretending that him doing well in the AHL means he will in the NHL. Seen some posts in this thread about Vilardis transformation but no one really talking about how rare it is to do such an immense 180.

 

[tbrown33]

TOI is not a good stat to measure PP success. Wouldn’t your top PP guys always have less time? I mean, the guys who rack up PP time aren't as successful, because if you score the PP ends. So if you have a guy that is scoring quickly on the PP to the point where his time is low you probably should not change a thing.

You dont want to be looking at TOI anyways, you want to be looking at shifts and starts. Arty actually has more PP starts than Fiala and Kopitar, he just tends to score which cuts his shifts short. So that low TOI is actually a reflection of what the coaches are doing right.

Sure, I suppose share of possible ice time is a better indicator.

 

[Sparky206]

The most frustrating part is that Kaliyev is #6 on that list, we dumped Sturm after last year and brought in a PP specialist and his answer was "how about you move that kid with the bomb one timer over to his off side instead so he can shoot the puck like he did for 200 goals in Juniors"

I and a number of others bought it up last year to the point that Jesse actually asked Sturm about it in an interview.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Call me when any of that stuff translates into the NHL. Tired of the fake hype. Let’s see him score more than 5 goals in 54 career nhl games. We all want him to do well but we should stop pretending that him doing well in the AHL means he will in the NHL. Seen some posts in this thread about Vilardis transformation but no one really talking about how rare it is to do such an immense 180.

Sure, but people were jumping on him for not producing in the AHL his first game back after losing 20 pounds, so turnabout is fair play, its' encouraging that he's almost a goal-per-game and over point-per-game since then.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

I agree we should hold onto Byfield for a while and give him a chance. But you can’t make the 2020 Covid argument and conveniently fail to mention Stutzle.

Maybe Stutzle had better steriods in Germany than Byfield did? Or maybe Stutzle was giving every opportunity to play top 3, top 6 roles?

 

[Sol]

Sure, but people were jumping on him for not producing in the AHL his first game back after losing 20 pounds, so turnabout is fair play, its' encouraging that he's almost a goal-per-game and over point-per-game since then.

For sure. I get thats something to be happy about but I've seen the days of Oscar Moller and in recent memory of Mike Amadio to not trust the AHL.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For sure. I get thats something to be happy about but I've seen the days of Oscar Moller and in recent memory of Mike Amadio to not trust the AHL.

Yeah ti's nothing to draw conclusions from (other than he feels better), but progress is progress is good

 

[AbsentMojo]

TOI is not a good stat to measure PP success. Wouldn’t your top PP guys always have less time? I mean, the guys who rack up PP time aren't as successful, because if you score the PP ends. So if you have a guy that is scoring quickly on the PP to the point where his time is low you probably should not change a thing.

You dont want to be looking at TOI anyways, you want to be looking at shifts and starts. Arty actually has more PP starts than Fiala and Kopitar, he just tends to score which cuts his shifts short. So that low TOI is actually a reflection of what the coaches are doing right.

Good point, never thought of that for PP TOI. On a separate issue - are you OK with 9min ES TOI for Kaliyev? He's actually 31st overall for pts/60 (all situations) but that is skewed by his PP performance... still a respectable 141 overall pts/60 (even strength)

 

[AbsentMojo]

Yeah ti's nothing to draw conclusions from (other than he feels better), but progress is progress is good

Basically you cant call him a bust and you cant say he's going to translate. Its just an open question what he is going to be esp since the window for busting out for big guys is much longer.. there is something about him - he just doesnt have that thing that Clarke has.. which from what i saw in rookie camp was you cant stop me from making the team. Not everyone has that.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I’m super harsh on Byfield but what he’s doing in the AHL shouldn’t just be dismissed. The AHL is a competitive league, especially for young players, and he’s producing at a strong level down there.

Byfield is probably not going to be Mats Sundin, but he may end up somewhere between Kopitar and Wheeler which is pretty god damn good.

Also, Kopitar always had a demure reputation, and people criticized him all the time for not having “it.” When he was surrounded by “it” players, though, he was unstoppable. The only center in the entire league you take over Kopitar in 2012 is Crosby or Malkin.

Not every player has to have “it.” If Byfield can put up 30-40-70 in today’s league and go 50%+ on the dot, that’s a successful #2 overall pick.

 

[cyclones22]

Byfield's key areas for improvement have always been confidence with the puck and using his physical stature. He has hockey sense, I would be more worried about his development path if he didn't have it. The rest of the package you can't teach and he has it. That's why it's so super important that he plays with a confidence and swagger.

What's been the most common complaint? Losing the puck by just mishandling it or bobbling it. Not because he's being dispossessed of it by defenders but just losing control of it. Blame the short stick etc, if he's still using one. He's playing with a confidence in Ontario that he displayed in juniors. I'm very confident that it will manifest in the NHL as well.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I’m super harsh on Byfield but what he’s doing in the AHL shouldn’t just be dismissed. The AHL is a competitive league, especially for young players, and he’s producing at a strong level down there.

Byfield is probably not going to be Mats Sundin, but he may end up somewhere between Kopitar and Wheeler which is pretty god damn good.

Also, Kopitar always had a demure reputation, and people criticized him all the time for not having “it.” When he was surrounded by “it” players, though, he was unstoppable. The only center in the entire league you take over Kopitar in 2012 is Crosby or Malkin.

Not every player has to have “it.” If Byfield can put up 30-40-70 in today’s league and go 50%+ on the dot, that’s a successful #2 overall pick.

I agree.. He doesnt need to have the thing Clarke and Durzi have.. id say its audacity... but i think that is one of the reasons he may take longer to develop. His 2nd goal yesterday looked great a quick snap top corner after using his long stride to separate from the D.

 

[Sol]

I think the biggest issue with Byfield is just that he was likely drafted too high when there were better players presently there. If byfield hits 30-40-70 I’ll be the first to buy his jersey. However everytime he’s in the NHL he seems to have zero confidence. I feel bad for him because he was also mismanaged heavily. I think at this point he should spend the season in the NHL and be comfortable in his frame. I’m sure it’s weird for a big guy to not get his way as easily when he’s in the NHL. As much as I dislike the pick I think he needs to just get accustomed to his body.

 

[Fishhead]

Good point, never thought of that for PP TOI. On a separate issue - are you OK with 9min ES TOI for Kaliyev? He's actually 31st overall for pts/60 (all situations) but that is skewed by his PP performance... still a respectable 141 overall pts/60 (even strength)

I'd like to see Arty get more time, sure. He still gets lost at times but he's improving a lot. I prefer to see him by Kopitar as Anze can still find people with passes. I think their styles would mesh, and since Kopitar isn't getting run out there against top comp all the time he could handle the assignments.

 

[Fishhead]

Sure, I suppose share of possible ice time is a better indicator.

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This explains precisely why Arty's ice time on the PP is low. It's not lousy deployment, it's efficient deployment.

McJesus and Drai have 20 fewer shifts than Arty, yet nearly twice his ice time. It also strongly suggests that we have two really good powerplay units. The 2nd gets deployed against a weaker PK unit and they are feasting on that. Arty's average PP shift is around 50 seconds - compared to around 2 minutes with a lot of those guys on the list.

If there is one thing I wouldn't change it's how Arty is used on the PP, it's been damn near perfect. His ES time could use some bumping up, but he's gotta find someone he meshes with.