Prospect Info: Quinton Byfield (2nd Overall 2020 Draft) Discussion part II

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I said this in another thread, but I’ve gone from worried to excited back to a little worried about Byfield.

He passes the eye test. But he really needs to drive more production. And if he can’t, and winds up a peripheral production top six winger, Blake has well and truly failed this rebuild.

We may be heading into Kopitar’s twilight years with zero up and coming top six centers.
 
I agree in that I am optimistic about his potential, but am concerned because there needs to be more to his play. He needs to be more of a play driver and confident in generating production without hesitance. If Byfield busts, that would be the biggest possible blow to the organization's development program and the team's future. I honestly think that either this season or next season we need to see time with him centering the top line. Either that or give him Fiala and Kaliyev and some real minutes and see what he can put together.
 
I guess i just don't understand why anyone would watch his growth over the last 20 games and be upset it's not immediately more.

He went from kind of puttering around slow-growing to enhancing the everliving hell out of the first line in big minutes and the toughest matchups while still getting NO powerplay time

Of COURSE there are going to be speedbumps
 
I guess i just don't understand why anyone would watch his growth over the last 20 games and be upset it's not immediately more.

He went from kind of puttering around slow-growing to enhancing the everliving hell out of the first line in big minutes and the toughest matchups while still getting NO powerplay time

Of COURSE there are going to be speedbumps

It is sort of both. I think a lot of people are happy that he has made it work on the top line a bit and show that he can be a top 6 caliber player, which is good, but that is also the minimum expectation. So it makes us feel better that he can at least be that, but while he has his flashy moments, watching his play you can see some real conflict, hesitation, and passiveness in his game.

Internally, I am hoping the Kings beat that out of him and turn him into a play driver that is going to use his speed and start pulling a Fiala and driving to the net around a defender. Too often he tries to make little cute plays or always looks for a pass to make.

Sometimes I want to see him be the one to take the puck in for a chance. I want to see more of that drive he had as a rookie against the Avalanche who were rolling at the time and he pretty much mirrored Kopitar's first goal but couldn't bury it. I think if he had buried that shot, not only would we all be comparing it to Kopitar, but it would have been huge for his confidence. I am just hoping he builds more momentum in that department.
 
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I said this in another thread, but I’ve gone from worried to excited back to a little worried about Byfield.

He passes the eye test. But he really needs to drive more production. And if he can’t, and winds up a peripheral production top six winger, Blake has well and truly failed this rebuild.

We may be heading into Kopitar’s twilight years with zero up and coming top six centers.
I think the big concern with QB as he approaches a full seasons worth of games is his hockey IQ. He has a alot of skill and athleticism, that is apparent, but does he think the game at a high enough level to be a really good 1C?

Different position, but this was what ended up limiting Jack Johnson’s ceiling at the NHL level. JJ like QB, had a ton of natural talent and athleticism and was a high pick based on dominating lower levels because he was so much more physically gifted than the other players. But when he got to the NHL he could never think the game at a high level and slow it down enough to end up being a #1 d-man in the NHL. He still had a nice career and his talent carried him to some nice seasons and he even represented the USA in best vs best competitions but overall with his skill level and where he was drafted JJ had an underwhelming career.

This is why I hope the Kings stick with QB as a winger, I know that isn’t what they expected when they drafted him, and it certainly throws a wrench into the C plans that were already kind of messed up with Vilardi moving to wing(which was also clearly the best move) and Turcotte being a flop, but I think you will get the best long-term results out of QB if they just maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses.
 
If Byfield isn't a #1C then this entire rebuild is a flop. At that point unless a miracle happens (like signing a #1C or Pinelli coming out of nowhere or some equally unlikely shit) they should probably move anyone and everyone of value and try again under a different staff.

Also, using all four #2, #5, #11 and #20 picks to draft a center in four consecutive years and failing to get a #1 C out of that is inexcusable. It's hard to draft a #1C, everyone knows that but that isn't good enough to win. The Kings could have walked away with Stutzle and Seider. Incidentally, the two players selected right after Byfield and Turcotte.
 
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They are even worse. They have seen near zero dividends from 4 consecutive top 10 picks so far. Historically brutal.
One unifying theme? Both teams have chosen to avoid building a team around those high picks by nurturing their development and surrounding them with sheltering players on the low end of the roster in favor of challenging now with high end acquisitions who change the path forward for the picks.

It does no good to pigeonhole in prospects into win-now modes in roles they aren't suited for OR were drafted to perform.
 
Tage Thompson comparable. Byfield is currently around 2018-2019 TT
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They are even worse. They have seen near zero dividends from 4 consecutive top 10 picks so far. Historically brutal.
Oh thank you for that! I was getting concerned that the Kings were the only team in the league that didn’t know how to draft.

One unifying theme? Both teams have chosen to avoid building a team around those high picks by nurturing their development and surrounding them with sheltering players on the low end of the roster in favor of challenging now with high end acquisitions who change the path forward for the picks.

It does no good to pigeonhole in prospects into win-now modes in roles they aren't suited for OR were drafted to perform.
Yah that mentality is working out great for the Ducks, ain’t it? Meanwhile their top prospects want to kill themselves.
 
I'm not worried about QB at all. I'm pretty happy we have him. I'm also happy he's not flashy right now -- keep him grounded and maybe us avoiding paying him a huge contract way too early. Like good BBQ -- low & slow
I agree. His career could go in a lot of different ways and I don't think we'll honestly know what he is until he's about 23/24. It's hard to believe he still can't buy a beer here in the States.
 
One unifying theme? Both teams have chosen to avoid building a team around those high picks by nurturing their development and surrounding them with sheltering players on the low end of the roster in favor of challenging now with high end acquisitions who change the path forward for the picks.

It does no good to pigeonhole in prospects into win-now modes in roles they aren't suited for OR were drafted to perform.
I have a book from Tom Lynn about Minnesota Wild roughly under Risebrough and Lemaire era. Lynn was the assistant GM then. There are a lot of cool anecdotes. One that stands out is Risebrough worrying that making one specific acquisition (I forgot who it was) would make them "too good, too fast" and screw up their entire building process. It was funny to see a GM say that. The irony is Risebrough is a team consultant for NY Rangers now of all teams.
 
Oh thank you for that! I was getting concerned that the Kings were the only team in the league that didn’t know how to draft.


Yah that mentality is working out great for the Ducks, ain’t it? Meanwhile their top prospects want to kill themselves.

Knowing that you have never shown any ability to understand even remedial concepts beyond he shoots, he scores, I am choosing to respond to this drivel so others can see it.

I would never have drafted Zegras. We are currently in an era where teams are valuing video game styles of players long on flashy skill sets but short on character and perseverance. Zegras has ungodly moves, but doesn't have a stitch of leader in him. I am incredibly happy the Kings avoided that mistake, even if Turcotte doesn't pan out. Boldy and Cozens have been handled very well, and if the Ducks can land a top pick this summer to reduce the need to scheme around Zegras, they will be in a much, much better position than most teams to step forward.

But the Ducks have made some stellar draft choices, especially last year. They have been drafting for spine and team framework, and thise players have yet to make a mark on the NHL squad.

They have made some mistakes in their NHL scouting, and haven't insulated the top picks with quality character players - the Klingberg signing has backfired massively in particular. Their coaching is awful, and letting a young roster off the hook essentially in camp by scrapping the entire season for a high pick was a pretty suspect decision. You can get those high picks organically while still building positively, but they let their roster know that losing was the plan all along and that they signed a high-end player specifically to try and buy a high pick at the deadline.

Now back to your regularly scheduled derp, derp, derpity derp-derp.

I have a book from Tom Lynn about Minnesota Wild roughly under Risebrough and Lemaire era. Lynn was the assistant GM then. There are a lot of cool anecdotes. One that stands out is Risebrough worrying that making one specific acquisition (I forgot who it was) would make them "too good, too fast" and screw up their entire building process. It was funny to see a GM say that. The irony is Risebrough is a team consultant for NY Rangers now of all teams.

Preaching to the choir!
 
Tage Thompson comparable. Byfield is currently around 2018-2019 TT
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Tage Thompson was the 26th overall pick. Byfield is just as likely to end up like Brian Boyle (another 26th overall pick) as he is Thompson. Using outliers (especially when the only similarity is their height and weight) to feel good about a pick is a fools errand.

Byfield was expected to take some time to get to where he was/is going to be. Everyone said this year he needed to take that next step. I've been critical of him (and picking him) but he HAS been better this year. For a full season he'd be on pace to hit 31 points. It's still not where he needs to be but he REALLY needs to take ownership on being a top line guy next year.
 
One unifying theme? Both teams have chosen to avoid building a team around those high picks by nurturing their development and surrounding them with sheltering players on the low end of the roster in favor of challenging now with high end acquisitions who change the path forward for the picks.

It does no good to pigeonhole in prospects into win-now modes in roles they aren't suited for OR were drafted to perform.
Which teams do you look at who are building/developing their teams in this perfect world you speak of?
 
Tage Thompson was the 26th overall pick. Byfield is just as likely to end up like Brian Boyle (another 26th overall pick) as he is Thompson. Using outliers (especially when the only similarity is their height and weight) to feel good about a pick is a fools errand.

Byfield was expected to take some time to get to where he was/is going to be. Everyone said this year he needed to take that next step. I've been critical of him (and picking him) but he HAS been better this year. For a full season he'd be on pace to hit 31 points. It's still not where he needs to be but he REALLY needs to take ownership on being a top line guy next year.
It's easy to overlook the fact that he is still only 20. He really does look to be fitting in with Kopitar and Kempe. I see his stock rising every year as he continues to learn the professional game. There will be a moment where I think the talent is met with confidence and then it will be off to the races for him.
 
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Which teams do you look at who are building/developing their teams in this perfect world you speak of?
Buffalo, Carolina, Dallas, Detroit, Montreal, New Jersey, Ottawa, Seattle are all actively putting young players in multiple big roles since Rob Blake took over and are reaping the benefits of such. Tampa Bay is still reaping the benefits for how well they built their team a decade ago.
 
Not worried about QB and, as usual, don't understand the IQ critique either, especially lately. The first line has *improved* since he got put up there, and both Kopitar and Kempe have expressed that they like playing with him. He is processing the game at a high level already.
Knowing that you have never shown any ability to understand even remedial concepts beyond he shoots, he scores, I am choosing to respond to this drivel so others can see it.

I would never have drafted Zegras. We are currently in an era where teams are valuing video game styles of players long on flashy skill sets but short on character and perseverance. Zegras has ungodly moves, but doesn't have a stitch of leader in him. I am incredibly happy the Kings avoided that mistake, even if Turcotte doesn't pan out. Boldy and Cozens have been handled very well, and if the Ducks can land a top pick this summer to reduce the need to scheme around Zegras, they will be in a much, much better position than most teams to step forward.

But the Ducks have made some stellar draft choices, especially last year. They have been drafting for spine and team framework, and thise players have yet to make a mark on the NHL squad.

They have made some mistakes in their NHL scouting, and haven't insulated the top picks with quality character players - the Klingberg signing has backfired massively in particular. Their coaching is awful, and letting a young roster off the hook essentially in camp by scrapping the entire season for a high pick was a pretty suspect decision. You can get those high picks organically while still building positively, but they let their roster know that losing was the plan all along and that they signed a high-end player specifically to try and buy a high pick at the deadline.

Now back to your regularly scheduled derp, derp, derpity derp-derp.



Preaching to the choir!
Largely on the same page here, although I think they signed Klingberg with the idea that they could flip him at the deadline.
 
Which teams do you look at who are building/developing their teams in this perfect world you speak of?
What team has had sustained success post lockout, being constructed like Rob Blake’s LA Kings?

All the best teams were built around drafting Hall of Fame talent, most of that talent being top picks.
 
Buffalo, Carolina, Dallas, Detroit, Montreal, New Jersey, Ottawa, Seattle are all actively putting young players in multiple big roles since Rob Blake took over and are reaping the benefits of such. Tampa Bay is still reaping the benefits for how well they built their team a decade ago.
So let me get this straight...LA is NOT putting young players in 'multiple big roles'?
 

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