Prospect Info: Quinton Byfield (2nd Overall 2020 Draft) Discussion part II

[Raccoon Jesus]

Who isn't playing in the top 6 currently.

For literally that exact reason.

 

[JKG33]

But Fiala is still more useful than Byfield

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

But Fiala is still more useful than Byfield

He's more useful than Stutzle, too.

It's almost like comparing 26 year old scoring vet with a barely 20 year old acknowledged project is a desperation move that's grasping at straws.

 

[JKG33]

He's more useful than Stutzle, too.

It's almost like comparing 26 year old scoring vet with a barely 20 year old acknowledged project is a desperation move that's grasping at straws.

Ya'll are trying to tell me Stutzle wouldn't be useful for the Kings. I point to an example of a similar player that is useful for the Kings. What more do you want?

You're the one grasping at straws if you think Byfield is actually useful. Look, you're one of the more respectable posters on this site so I don't want to offend by saying this, but the running down of Stutzle, who's actually shown something at the NHL level, while simultaneously preaching patience for Byfield (who's accomplished nothing), is homerism at its finest.

Would Stu be a PPG on the Kings? Probably not. But he'd still be doing more than the shit all Byfield has done

 

[Kudelski37]

Ya'll are trying to tell me Stutzle wouldn't be useful for the Kings. I point to an example of a similar player that is useful for the Kings. What more do you want?

You're the one grasping at straws if you think Byfield is actually useful. Look, you're one of the more respectable posters on this site so I don't want to offend by saying this, but the running down of Stutzle, who's actually shown something at the NHL level, while simultaneously preaching patience for Byfield (who's accomplished nothing), is homerism at its finest.

Would Stu be a PPG on the Kings? Probably not. But he'd still be doing more than the shit all Byfield has done

If the Kings drafted Stutzle, he likely would have torn his ACL while diving. This is how things work for Kings' prospects.

 

[Telos]

I'd rather have current Vilardi over Stutzle, at least for now... Vilardi would likely still be forced at center and may have fizzled if we had drafted Stutle and we wouldn't have Fiala. I'd easily take Vilardi breaking out at wing, Fiala, and Byfield in the system over drafting Stutzle.

Sure, he is the one producing now, but Byfield still is likely the pick and is the only one in the system that remotely has 1st line-center potential. He is a long term project and always was. Sure, everyone is concerned about his ceiling and if he can reach it, but he is easily our best center prospect and the only one that could potentially take the reins from Kopitar.

Stutlze wouldn't have solved anything and I would easily take Fiala at his cap hit over Stutzle alone.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Ya'll are trying to tell me Stutzle wouldn't be useful for the Kings. I point to an example of a similar player that is useful for the Kings. What more do you want?

You're the one grasping at straws if you think Byfield is actually useful. Look, you're one of the more respectable posters on this site so I don't want to offend by saying this, but the running down of Stutzle, who's actually shown something at the NHL level, while simultaneously preaching patience for Byfield (who's accomplished nothing), is homerism at its finest.

Would Stu be a PPG on the Kings? Probably not. But he'd still be doing more than the shit all Byfield has done

I'm certainly not saying he wouldn't be useful; the questions are 1. would he be used the same way on the Kings (LOL) and 2. is his immediate utility > Byfield's longer-term utility. Most people will say the jury is still out but we've seen some positive steps from Byfield, especially when he's actually played with skilled NHL players/top-sixers instead of leftovers; but some, like you, admittedly hated the pick from the start and aren't willing to exercise patience (and also consequently see no flaws in Stutzle but it isn't all sunshine and rainbows right now, they're grinding him pretty hard).

I used Vilardi as a case-in-point of your patience earlier.

There's more to prospects than their 20 year old season.

 

[FeartheFur]

I'm certainly not saying he wouldn't be useful; the questions are 1. would he be used the same way on the Kings (LOL) and 2. is his immediate utility > Byfield's longer-term utility. Most people will say the jury is still out but we've seen some positive steps from Byfield, especially when he's actually played with skilled NHL players/top-sixers instead of leftovers; but some, like you, admittedly hated the pick from the start and aren't willing to exercise patience (and also consequently see no flaws in Stutzle but it isn't all sunshine and rainbows right now, they're grinding him pretty hard).

I used Vilardi as a case-in-point of your patience earlier.

There's more to prospects than their 20 year old season.

Byfield will be fine. He can’t even buy a beer yet.

 

[King'sPawn]

This is a huge cope when the Kings just traded for an equally bad defensive forward in Fiala

And one of the Kings most skilled defensive prospect and top-10 pick, Brandt Clarke, has played the fewest games and gets the least amount of time on ice on average compared to the rest.

MacLellan leans more on vets with years of experience. Welcome to 2022.

 

[JKG33]

I'd rather have current Vilardi over Stutzle, at least for now... Vilardi would likely still be forced at center and may have fizzled if we had drafted Stutle and we wouldn't have Fiala. I'd easily take Vilardi breaking out at wing, Fiala, and Byfield in the system over drafting Stutzle.

Sure, he is the one producing now, but Byfield still is likely the pick and is the only one in the system that remotely has 1st line-center potential. He is a long term project and always was. Sure, everyone is concerned about his ceiling and if he can reach it, but he is easily our best center prospect and the only one that could potentially take the reins from Kopitar.

Stutlze wouldn't have solved anything and I would easily take Fiala at his cap hit over Stutzle alone.

For what its worth I'd rather have Stutzle and traded the assets spent on Fiala for someone else, as opposed to Fiala and Byfield.

I'm certainly not saying he wouldn't be useful; the questions are 1. would he be used the same way on the Kings (LOL) and 2. is his immediate utility > Byfield's longer-term utility. Most people will say the jury is still out but we've seen some positive steps from Byfield, especially when he's actually played with skilled NHL players/top-sixers instead of leftovers; but some, like you, admittedly hated the pick from the start and aren't willing to exercise patience (and also consequently see no flaws in Stutzle but it isn't all sunshine and rainbows right now, they're grinding him pretty hard).

I used Vilardi as a case-in-point of your patience earlier.

There's more to prospects than their 20 year old season.

I have no patience for a player thats shown very little, especially when the better player (who I wanted) was picked 1 spot later and has lived up to the hype. I would be absolutely shocked if Byfield ever has a season as good as what Stutzle's done so far.

Stutzle absolutely has flaws, but at least he's shown to be a useful NHL player. But to add insult to injury, the Kings had to go out and overpay (both in terms of assets and cap) for a Fiala when they could've simply drafted Stutzle instead.

You act as if I was the only one who wrote of Vilardi, when 90% of the fan base already did too.

And one of the Kings most skilled defensive prospect and top-10 pick, Brandt Clarke, has played the fewest games and gets the least amount of time on ice on average compared to the rest.

MacLellan leans more on vets with years of experience. Welcome to 2022.

The difference is Clarke was at least BPA at his draft position and was drafted later in the 1st round than Byfield.

 

[unicornpig]

A late first round pick and a dman that possibly wouldn't even sign here for a ppg winger was a steal

 

[Kudelski37]

For what its worth I'd rather have Stutzle and traded the assets spent on Fiala for someone else, as opposed to Fiala and Byfield.


I have no patience for a player thats shown very little, especially when the better player (who I wanted) was picked 1 spot later and has lived up to the hype. I would be absolutely shocked if Byfield ever has a season as good as what Stutzle's done so far.

Stutzle absolutely has flaws, but at least he's shown to be a useful NHL player. But to add insult to injury, the Kings had to go out and overpay (both in terms of assets and cap) for a Fiala when they could've simply drafted Stutzle instead.

Fiala has a lower cap hit than Stutzle starting next season.

I don't understand the need to crap on a prospect that has missed half of the team's games over the last 13 months due to injury and Illness limiting him to roughly 50 NHL games while the other player took roughly 100 NHL games to click. Byfield will bloom and then it will make sense.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

how come he was sent down? was this a conditioning move?

 

[TwzKing]

how come he was sent down? was this a conditioning move?

yes

 

[lumbergh]

What is a Stutzle? Sounds like a delicious pastry. Otherwise, I don't care.

 

[cyclones22]

What is a Stutzle? Sounds like a delicious pastry. Otherwise, I don't care.

Full of empty calories.

 

[FeartheFur]

What is a Stutzle? Sounds like a delicious pastry. Otherwise, I don't care.

You guys kill me. So negative. We are in 3rd in the Pacific, 3rd in the league in goals scored( that hasn’t happened since Gretzky was here). The D seems to be making a corner recently. Byfield is the next Vilardi. Do you guys enjoy watching the games or what?

 

[Schmooley]

Do you guys enjoy watching the games or what?

Last year they turned a corner after that Pittsburgh home game and it was an enjoyable season. This year has been about 50/50 so thats ok.
But there was some years there when it was torture watching a slow team that couldnt break out of their own zone with a clean pass.
I dont think I have missed a game in many years. Id be on the road touring and run around a city looking for a bar that had a tv to watch the game.
The cups were worth it!

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Fiala has a lower cap hit than Stutzle starting next season.

I don't understand the need to crap on a prospect that has missed half of the team's games over the last 13 months due to injury and Illness limiting him to roughly 50 NHL games while the other player took roughly 100 NHL games to click. Byfield will bloom and then it will make sense.

I kind of just think Byfield is a p***y ! Lol

I kind of just think Byfield is a p***y ! Lol

Turcotte is deadmarsh 2.0 without the awesome stint on the AVS

I kind of just think Byfield is a p***y ! Lol


Turcotte is deadmarsh 2.0 without the awesome stint on the AVS

Change my mind… fight me…?????

 

[KingsHockey24]

Both him and Turcotte are busts.

That is all.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You get a bust! And you get a bust! and you! Theyr'e all busts and you all get them all!

 

[JeanBlanc]

I merely hope that instead of letting him figure things out like his first stint or two, they are more hands-on in showing what he needs to do.

I wonder why you think the development staff is "letting him figure things out" and aren't hands on?

 

[JeanBlanc]

I would be absolutely shocked if Byfield ever has a season as good as what Stutzle's done so far.

Your threshold for shock is if Byfield ever has a season better than 22g-36a-58p -27? That feels like hyperbole.

I think that would be a decent stretch goal for Byfield this season (though hopefully with better defensive stats). Offensively, I think 35 point would be mild progression, 45 as decent progression. If I'm honest, I've been already happy with his physicality, puck possession, and cycle play.

I hear that Tim Stützle is doing really well so far. I'm glad for him. I'm disappointed that Byfield hasn't had the same success, but see good signs of progression. I think he's behind Kopitar at the same age. I think he's behind Joe Thornton at the same age. But he's 20 years old. I'll give him time before giving up on him being a league top 10 1C.

 

[JKG33]

Your threshold for shock is if Byfield ever has a season better than 22g-36a-58p -27? That feels like hyperbole.

I think that would be a decent stretch goal for Byfield this season (though hopefully with better defensive stats). Offensively, I think 35 point would be mild progression, 45 as decent progression. If I'm honest, I've been already happy with his physicality, puck possession, and cycle play.

I hear that Tim Stützle is doing really well so far. I'm glad for him. I'm disappointed that Byfield hasn't had the same success, but see good signs of progression. I think he's behind Kopitar at the same age. I think he's behind Joe Thornton at the same age. But he's 20 years old. I'll give him time before giving up on him being a league top 10 1C.

Yes. He's done nothing to impress me. At the draft I thought his ceiling was maybe Ryan Johansen. Now? I'd be surprised if he's even a useful 2C. I think he ends up as one of those bottom 6 players that everyone waits to take the next steps because of his draft pedigree, but never makes the jump.

For the Kings sake I hope I'm wrong, but I really think this'll go down as one of the bigger draft whiffs. It's not like I'm playing captain hindsight here either.

I'd actually be less shocked if he ends up having a Brain Boyle like career as a reliable 4C after refocusing on the defensive side of the game. No offense to him or Boyle, but that would be a horrible ROI for a 2nd overall pick

 

[kilowatt]

Both him and Turcotte are busts.

That is all.

Both have faced significant injuries. Vilardi was a bust until he wasn’t. Still a long way to go in these young men’s careers.