Czechboy
Náš f*cken barák!
- Apr 15, 2018
- 30,392
- 28,202
Quarterfinals/Semifinal seed order is set
- Thread starter redwings8831
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Czechboy
Náš f*cken barák!
- Apr 15, 2018
- 30,392
- 28,202
I hate the weak argument.. you have 3 of the top 7 scorers and more NHL players than 6 of the quarterfinalists COMBINED. Also, on a 4 game win streak. Canada was the one to avoid IMO. I feel bad for Russia drawing that straw to be honest.
kalle wirsch
Registered User
- May 29, 2015
- 211
- 122
Czechboy
Náš f*cken barák!
- Apr 15, 2018
- 30,392
- 28,202
Thank you.
Canada has not lost in regulation in 4 games and took the first place (defending gold medalist) Finn's to a shootout.
Fixed.
[QUOTE = "Czechboy, příspěvek: 178435639, člen: 301685"] Přesně! Jediným velkým překvapením není žádné Švédsko, které poprvé od 30. let nebylo ve finále 8 a poprvé od změny formátu turnaje 92 nebylo ve čtvrtinách. Dobrou zprávou pro ně je, že mají úžasné hráče, více než 100 hráčů NHL, asi 8 prvních hráčů přicházejících v příštím draftu a nejlepší zabiják v nejlepším týmu připraveném jít. Myslím, že budou v pohodě.lol [/ QUOTE]
[QUOTE = "Czechboy, příspěvek: 178435639, člen: 301685"] Přesně! Jediným velkým překvapením není žádné Švédsko, které poprvé od 30. let nebylo ve finále 8 a poprvé od změny formátu turnaje 92 nebylo ve čtvrtinách. Dobrou zprávou pro ně je, že mají úžasné hráče, více než 100 hráčů NHL, asi 8 prvních hráčů přicházejících v příštím draftu a nejlepší zabiják v nejlepším týmu připraveném jít. Myslím, že budou v pohodě.lol [/ QUOTE]
They have depth and quality, in the NHL and AHL a lot of players, but they lack quality on the bench. The Swedish Federation will evaluate the tournament and take a stand on the failure. They are certainly thinking about the future and the direction they should take in order to be part of the world's top.
I am quite sure that when the Czech team wins a medal, people in the leadership of czech hockey will consider it a huge success, but they will continue to make the same mistakes.
They have depth and quality, in the NHL and AHL a lot of players, but they lack quality on the bench. The Swedish Federation will evaluate the tournament and take a stand on the failure. They are certainly thinking about the future and the direction they should take in order to be part of the world's top.
I am quite sure that when the Czech team wins a medal, people in the leadership of czech hockey will consider it a huge success, but they will continue to make the same mistakes.
Czechboy
Náš f*cken barák!
- Apr 15, 2018
- 30,392
- 28,202
Šest důvodů, proč Švédsko nepostoupilo do čtvrtfinále | Hokej.cz - web českého hokeje
You may have already read it but that is a great article from. The Czechs about.the swedish early exit.
You are right... Czechs should realize we have big problems and to address them. Whether we win gold or leave Thursday... Our situation is still poor and a medal here won't change that.
Eg. We win gold and swedes dont make quarters... Everyone k ows swedes are in a much better hockey position.
I'd kill for swedish hockey problems over Czech ones!
NorCalhockey
Registered User
- Jan 6, 2017
- 3,261
- 3,457
jj cale
Registered User
Peiskos
Registered User
- Jan 4, 2018
- 3,767
- 3,843
Russia was caught doping at the Olympics, so their punishment is that they can’t play under the Russian flag or the name Russia and no Russian anthem either in all international tournaments across all sports. Think its set to last 4 years.
From the third group of players I would choose only Lias Andersson, Erik Brännström, Jesper Boqvist, maybe Viktor Söderström.
The article is relatively well writen, but it lacks the information that Garpenlöv remains in the position of head coach. If I can compare the quality of hockey as a whole, Sweden can still deliver a lot of quality, Finland has better coaches.
The problem of the Swedish Federation is the choices of coach. You will find good trainers in SHL, but it is difficult to get them to represent. Roger Rönnberg coached the last U20 gold team Sweden.
I watch Czech and Slovak hockey, not entirely in depth, but I think I have a picture of this problem.
Filip Pesan has good ideas, is educated and understands the problems that are in czech hockey. But he has one huge mistake.. he divides czech hockey, where there should be cooperation, so people bleach other for who can be the state of hockey.
When Swedish hockey had a major crisis, the people in the leadership of federation understood the key idea. One word...cooperation. If not, the rest of country will regularly defeat Sweden. That is why Pesan convened a congress in Breclav in the summer 2018. I do not feel that the congress was successful. You do?
Czechboy
Náš f*cken barák!
- Apr 15, 2018
- 30,392
- 28,202
I like Pesan adn think he understands the problem.
However, I liked Lener too and think he understood the problem.
There was a great debate on CT24 with Varada, Pesan, Vrbata and a Czech NHL scout who played in the NHL (sorry, name is slipping my mind but he was a good player) and it was tense as hell. You could tell Varada and Pesan have some issues with one another for instance. They all love hockey and they all had good points but they agreed on nothing.
You are absolutely right, cooperation is needed and it's not happening.
Too many teams is a big problem.
However, Pesan will blame the clubs but that is also convenient becuase he doens't control the clubs.
Lot of finger pointing. lot of self interest.
I do think that they need to make the leagues smaller... I do think they need to get rid of the academies (or do them much better)... I'm not sure how you stop young Czechs from leaving because that hurts us a lot! Czechs leave at 17... then don't get drafted. Destroys our program.
Having said that.. why would a talented young Czech stay? Svozil looked to be a first rounder and was playing 10 minutes a night for Kometa... now he's a 2nd rounder. If he'd gone to the CHL in a non covid world he'd probably still be a first rounder. I'm not sure what all these 17 and 18 year olds learn from sitting on a bench in the Extraliga? But the next league down is too weak in competition. Eg. lots of guys get drafted out of the 2nd division in Sweden (sorry, don't know the name). Heck the Oiler's sent a bunch of their best prospects (lagesson, Lavoie, Bouchard) to the 2nd Swede league.
That was one of Vrbata's big arguments.. he kept saying Czech hockey is for everyone but not for the guys wanting to make a career of it. Needs to be better streamlined at a younger age.
In the end it's an old boys club and that is frustrating. It's what ruined my Oilers for over a decade. I keep joking that I can't wait till Jagr's first coaching job will be the WJHCs. It might not even be a joke.
The Garpenlov hiring actually sounds reminiscent to an old boys club as well but I don't know enough about Swedish hockey to be sure and don't want to piss off any Swedes on here.lol
Antiillafire
Registered User
The problems with Slovak and Czech hockey aren’t really all that similar imo
Don’t think that’s true though, I remember we had a nice winning streak against Canada at WHC
ovikovy817
Registered User
swissdude
Registered User
- May 18, 2019
- 482
- 476
based on tv ratings (number of viewers) compared to fringe sport football (soccer)
Ice Hockey World Cup Final 2018 against Sweden: 1.18 M
Football World Cup 1/8 Final against Sweden: 1.27 M
Football World Cup group match against Brazil: 1.6 M
So yes, surprisingly, ice hockey is relatively popular in Switzerland...
NorCalhockey
Registered User
- Jan 6, 2017
- 3,261
- 3,457
Ok - thanks. Wow - I thought that ban only applied to the Olympics. I didn't realize it was for all international tournaments in all sports. But if the World of Doping really wants to make an example of Russia (or doping in general) they would BAN Russia from competing - period. Calling Russia ROC or whatever, while letting them still compete is merely a slap on the wrist.
Firsov99
Registered User
- Feb 17, 2006
- 5,136
- 4,076
This type of blanket ban solution would be unfair to tons of innocent Russian athletes. Actually, some of them live, train, and test for doping outside of Russia.
NorCalhockey
Registered User
- Jan 6, 2017
- 3,261
- 3,457
Yes, I completely understand that this type of blanket ban is unfair to the Russian athletes who don't dope and would never dope. However, by enacting such a strict punishment, the World Doping Agency (or whoever enacted the ban) would show they are not effing around. Further, it might make the athletes pressure THEIR own country saying you better effing take this issue seriously because if you want us to compete under YOUR flag and possibly bring glory to the Motherland, again, you better take this seriously. And, where possible, the athletes could threaten to give up Russian citizenship and compete under another flag.
Again - this is about how seriously the various sporting organizations / countries / athletes take the issue of doping. The nuclear option would certainly get peoples' attention. A mere slap on the wrist...not so much.
