GDT: Qualifying Offers, Buyout Window, & July 1st Free Agency Discussion Thread

[Rapala]

Hopefully not more than $2.5m.

I think $2.25m x 2.

Similar to what Gurianov was getting from us. Which was 50% of his AAV if I recall.

 

[26Mats]

Worst case scenario: Armia and Hoffman are waived and send to AHL to make room for young prospects.

Except it appears that Hughes is unwilling to do that, so it's just not a scenario in reality.

I would love to it happen though.

 

[Takeru]

You can't be passive and not pick BPA in the draft. It's hard to claim Slaf had the highest ceiling but it's impossible to say that Reinbacher has a higher ceiling than Michkov when our own GM calls Reinbacher a D-2 and not a "runs the powerplay" guy.

So yeah, it's rather nutty to be so complacent isn't it?

While I see the value in those draft selections, I do agree they're not out of the gates wins.
We'll see if they reach/exceed their top end potential and become key contributors, but I would like to see more agressivity in trying to acquire talent/size upfront.

I'm not sold on Dach/Newhook having that much of another gear offensively but hopeful to be pleasantly surprised. Adding a third piece in this mold or better would be more than welcome.
Following his trend, I think Kakko or Lafrenière would fit Hughes age target and could be reasonably had. I do feel they suffer from being buried on a Rangers team that wants to compete and doesn't prioritize development.

 

[Yanny]

I'd be surprised if any team does.

He's likely 1 of the 8 of that sexual assault case..

Unless it's no longer an issue in which case I'd rather try and get Formenton from Ottawa..

he strongly denied been part of it.

 

[Rapala]

Man, that Eichel 66pts season mention has to stop. You're not the first I see bringin it up.
How many games did Eichel take to reach those 66 pts btw? Ah right, 67gp. Puts things into perspective doesn't it?

What matters is PPG players, or close to it. That's what Eichel has been since his second NHL season.
VGK also had Stone scoring at PPG clip during last season. Plus Pietrangelo missing 10 games and still outscoring everyone on our team except Suzuki as a D (I know we had injuries but you get the idea).

Again, not directed at you specifically but this whole idea you don't need stars to win the cup is disingenuous. No team has won the cup without guys averaging PPG production or that had it in them during their careers, with the added capacity of turning it on during the playoffs at similar clip.
It's not a guaranteed win but a necessary component I'd say confidently.

Anyone who watched any of the Vegas games knows. Frankly I was blown away by Eichels commitment to both ends of the rink. He was a beast and by far the most dangerous player on that team most nights.

Are you suggesting we get Yamamoto to play with Suzuki.

 

[Gustave]

I think we can wait it out a year for Hoff and Armia buy out next season.

If we want to play youngsters, then just send those two in the press box, they don’t really hold any value anyway.

Gally’s another story though, we’ll have to keep him. Impossible to buy out…

 

[Andy]

I’d sign Weber to break Gallaghers hand for a 3rd time to have him out of the lineup.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Friedman is speculating that Quick could end up in New York (Rangers)

 

[lamp9post]

I hope to see some wheeling and dealing.

We are overloaded on D, overloaded on F, and have ample cap space.

I’ve argued elsewhere why using buyouts on Armia and Hoffman is an interesting and aggressive move to gain cap space and be able to sell it for a premium to hungry needy teams.

I strongly feel Hughes needs to be aggressive this summer because we cannot expect to tank again and they were too passive with last year’s tank regardless.

I’m not anti-HuGo whatsoever but in their third season they need to show something more. Floating through the summer will be discouraging esp since we don’t have a potential superstar prospect in our system.

I've argued for this as well. The cap crunch teams are facing is now during the flat cap. We have a short window that coincides with our rebuild so we should make the most of it. It is a shame we have so many contracts ourselves that we need to ride out, but regardless we could profit from using buyouts to create more short term space to rent out. Buying out Mike Hoffman, for example, clears $3.3M on the cap this year for a penalty of $1.6M the year following. So it actually creates more net cap space over two seasons that I feel a creative and enterprising GM could take advantage of.

 

[donghabs98]

Are we back on the Duchene train ?

After the Dubois fiasco we're in the mood to revisit other players who "would like to play in Montreal".

Its like calling up old exs and flings!

 

[HuGort]

Yamamoto bought out. He's young 20 goals. Recent first pick.

 

[donghabs98]

This is the right move. Only Armia and Gallagher are B/O worthy.

In both case they can afford to wait. Gallagher will probably end up in LTIR island too.

Gallagher is probably an injury away from that. This year was supposed to be the year he was rested and could play and it was another repeat.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Yamamoto bought out. He's young 20 goals. Recent first pick.

Easy nope.

 

[donghabs98]

When we look at how little value vets have that are coming off of bad years, I don't think Eddie has much value.

Only way Eddie will get us value is if we keep him and play him or a GM is really desperate for a big defenseman.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I hope to see some wheeling and dealing.

We are overloaded on D, overloaded on F, and have ample cap space.

I’ve argued elsewhere why using buyouts on Armia and Hoffman is an interesting and aggressive move to gain cap space and be able to sell it for a premium to hungry needy teams.

I strongly feel Hughes needs to be aggressive this summer because we cannot expect to tank again and they were too passive with last year’s tank regardless.

I’m not anti-HuGo whatsoever but in their third season they need to show something more. Floating through the summer will be discouraging esp since we don’t have a potential superstar prospect in our system.

We likely make changes but if we don't, we still have over $6M in cap space for a 23 man roster with Heineman, Farrell, Wideman, Pitlick, Pezzetta in Laval.

We don't need to buy out players to create cap room. We already have it. Lets not complicate our future cap with several guys that need new contracts after their ELC in the next two seasons. Bad idea to dig into that cap when we already have around $6M available.

Just move Hoffman and retain $500K. Add a prospect like Tuch if you have too and take back future consideration. Dvorak and Armia can stay if there are no takers. Eddy can be moved but I'd wait it out. Farrell and Heineman playing a season in Laval with high usage is not a bad thing.

 

[SlafySZN]

I think we can wait it out a year for Hoff and Armia buy out next season.

If we want to play youngsters, then just send those two in the press box, they don’t really hold any value anyway.

Gally’s another story though, we’ll have to keep him. Impossible to buy out…

Hoffman only has a year left on his contract

 

[Garry Valk]

Kinda a surprise name we haven’t seen rumoured to be bought out

crazy. He had 43 goals just one season ago.

 

[Miller Time]

crazy. He had 43 goals just one season ago.

Yeah... Crazy that a 50% retention deal wasn't available. Would imagine they shipped him like RyJo.

No one biting says something troubling about his reputation.

Interesting to see what kind of UFA deal he signs.

I bet he ends up in Calgary or Winnipeg.

 

[26Mats]

Only way Eddie will get us value is if we keep him and play him or a GM is really desperate for a big defenseman.

i agree. I think the best way to get value is play him this year.

The problem is, we have young Dmen that need to play. So you either give Eddie away for nothing and give the development ice time to a young guy, or you send down a young guy (Harris, Xhekaj or Barron) so Eddie can play. Also, there will be injuries. So when there is one injury, the player sent down could come back up and be part of the rotation of 7. When there are 2 injuries the player will be in the top 6 every night.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Nashville does have close to $25M in cap space.

But they have many, many years dead cap use:

2 years of Johansen retention: $4M
3 years of Ekholm retention: $250K

5 years of Turris buyout: $2M
6 years of Duchene buyout: cap varies between $1.5M and $6.5M depending on the year.

 

[26Mats]

crazy. He had 43 goals just one season ago.

Strange no one wanted to trade for him at 50% retained.

Hall went for nothing.
Kevin Hayes and Ryan Johansen went for nothing with 50% retained.
Duchene, Yamamoto, Blake Wheeler, and OEL couldn't even be traded with 50% retained and had to be bought out.

I get the feeling Armia, Hoffman, and even Dvo and Eddie are in the 3rd category right now.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[26Mats]

Nashville does have close to $25M in cap space.

But they have many, many years dead cap use:

2 years of Johansen retention: $4M
3 years of Ekholm retention: $250K

5 years of Turris buyout: $2M
6 years of Duchene buyout: cap varies between $1.5M and $6.5M depending on the year.

The Duchene buyout makes no sense to me.

No one wanted Duchene at 50% retained, i.e. a 4M cap hit for the next 3 years? Nashville couldn't have waited another year to see if he could bounce back?

I'd take a flyer on Duchene or Wheeler on a 1 year deal to try to flip them at the TDL.

 

[Chili]

Don't see the Habs doing much in free agency, maybe a couple of guys for Laval and to fill out the depth chart for injuries. Would make sense to leave some cap space for another Monahan type of opportunity like last summer.

 

[26Mats]

Don't see the Habs doing much in free agency, maybe a couple of guys for Laval and to fill out the depth chart for injuries. Would make sense to leave some cap space for another Monahan type of opportunity like last summer.

we have 10M in cap space minus whatever Newhook signs for.

But so far, teams seem unwilling to trade 1sts for other teams to take on their bad contracts. They seem more interested in buyouts. We'll see though if contenders that are tight on the cap give up futures instead of the buyouts the lesser teams are doing.