GDT: Qualifying Offers, Buyout Window, & July 1st Free Agency Discussion Thread

[ReHabs]

I’d love to sign Wheeler and flip af the deadline, but I bet he goes to a contender for real cheap. Watch him end up in Colorado or Tampa

Doesn't fit the culture. Right?

 

[red devil]

 

[larek]

Should be some mid level UFA available. Dumba, Klingberg or Killorn types. Or rent it out. Wings got a decent player in Yamamoto for n

Bitterly disappointing.

They’re not aggressive and nimble like Vegas and they won’t rebuild like other teams. Big brain Hughes.

Is their a limit to how many buyouts?

 

[ReHabs]

The Duchene buyout gives me cold sweats considering Gallagher, I still have hopes of LTIR next year because of his banged up body, but at this point he'll be the same age as Duchene; hence my cold sweats. Maybe the league doesn't want teams to play around with the rules anymore.

I also hope LTIR vs buyout. Gallagher's contract is a nightmare, it's buyout proof too. Insane structure, Bergevin really screwed us big time.

 

[The Great Weal]

At this point, I don't think we are buying out anybody. Today's bunch of buyouts have been announced already.

While I do understand that we have no reason to have dead cap space as a non contending team, but guys like RHP/Heineman/Farell/Ylonen need ice time and our current situation prevents them from getting it

 

[Seb]

At this point, I don't think we are buying out anybody. Today's bunch of buyouts have been announced already.

This is the right move. Only Armia and Gallagher are B/O worthy.

In both case they can afford to wait. Gallagher will probably end up in LTIR island too.

 

[ReHabs]

I feel those D are likely to be worth a lot more by mid season or next summer.

The Habs ' trade capital was torpedoed by injuries last year.

Players need TOI, Dmen especially. I think we just have so many they will simply spoil. See Norlinder for instance.

Hughes has to jettison some deadweight even if he doesn't get good value back. There's no point to hold onto Eddy for instance.

 

[Gustave]

Are we back on the Duchene train ?

 

[HuGort]

Is their a limit to how many buyouts?

Not sure? Duchene bought out. He's UFA. He's 60 points. Teams Must be desperate to save cap money to do that.

 

[Takeru]

Bitterly disappointing.

They’re not aggressive and nimble like Vegas and they won’t rebuild like other teams. Big brain Hughes.

Agreed.

Molson's deep pockets are one of our few competitive advantages over other teams.
Especially after seeing NSH buying out a guy like Duchene, I don't see how we justify keeping so much deadweight around.

Patience and timing are a thing, but others will pass us by if we simply never step on the gas.

 

[1909]

While I do understand that we have no reason to have dead cap space as a non contending team, but guys like RHP/Heineman/Farell/Ylonen need ice time and our current situation prevents them from getting it

No problem keeping them at AHL level for one more season.

 

[ReHabs]

Agreed.

Molson's deep pockets are one of our few competitive advantages over other teams.
Especially after seeing NSH buying out a guy like Duchene, I don't see how we justify keeping so much deadweight around.

Patience and timing are a thing, but others will pass us by if we simply never step on the gas.

You can't be passive and not pick BPA in the draft. It's hard to claim Slaf had the highest ceiling but it's impossible to say that Reinbacher has a higher ceiling than Michkov when our own GM calls Reinbacher a D-2 and not a "runs the powerplay" guy.

So yeah, it's rather nutty to be so complacent isn't it?

 

[The Great Weal]

No problem keeping them at AHL level for one more season.

Ylonen and RHP can't go back. The other two I agree. It's still very crowded.

 

[ReHabs]

No problem keeping them at AHL level for one more season.

If we're not competing this year, why not have them in the NHL instead? What's the point of giving that TOI to Armia or Hoffman?

 

[1909]

If we're not competing this year, why not have them in the NHL instead? What's the point of giving that TOI to Armia or Hoffman?

It's up to Hughes to make his homework. Next season is still almost 3 months away.

 

[Gustave]

Dating back to his Colorado and Ottawa days, I do wonder if Duchene is great in the locker room. The way the tweet is laid out it seems to suggest an issue in Nashville too.

Culture is so back in NHL circles.

 

[Takeru]

While I do understand that we have no reason to have dead cap space as a non contending team, but guys like RHP/Heineman/Farell/Ylonen need ice time and our current situation prevents them from getting it

This bears repeating.
There is such a thing as opportunity cost in terms of roster spots.
Having roughly a 1/3 of our forward corps taken by guys that have inexistent value across the league and justifiably aren't part of the long term plan is a waste of opportunity that could and should go to players that could develop into better assets for us or in trades.

 

[vokiel]

Was Duchene an ex-client of Hughes?

 

[Andy]

Gallagher is too proud to ever go to LTRI island. Dude is gonna play even if his arms fall off

 

[The Nightman]

What type of value do you guys think Eddy will have with 50% retention? A conditional draft pick, like a 2nd or 3rd? I’d imagine because he’s an injury risk, for the pick to be decent there would need to have conditions on it.

Out of all the vets that we want to see gone. Eddy is the only one where it’s actually a necessity to move him. We could get away with keeping Hoff for his final year.

 

[26Mats]

While I do understand that we have no reason to have dead cap space as a non contending team, but guys like RHP/Heineman/Farell/Ylonen need ice time and our current situation prevents them from getting it

And since we don't need the cap space immediately, we could create roster spaces for these young players simply by sending Armia and Hoffman to Laval. Then we wouldn't have dead cap space into the future from a buyout.

I'm surprised Wheeler and Duchene couldn't be traded with 50% retained.

It shows two things. 1) teams aren't willing to give up 1sts anymore for teams to take a bad contract. 2) it's hard to get rid of unwanted cap space (hint hint Armia, Hoffman, Edmundson, Jake Allen).

 

[Bomatane]

If we're not competing this year, why not have them in the NHL instead? What's the point of giving that TOI to Armia or Hoffman?

Worst case scenario: Armia and Hoffman are waived and sent to AHL to make room for young prospects.

 

[Takeru]

What type of value do you guys think Eddy will have with 50% retention? A conditional draft pick, like a 2nd or 3rd? I’d imagine because he’s an injury risk, for the pick to be decent there would need to have conditions on it.

Out of all the vets that we want to see gone. Eddy is the only one where it’s actually a necessity to move him. We could get away with keeping Hoff for his final year.

No idea but agree that Eddy should be the odd one out.

Matheson and Savard should be plenty in terms of vet experience.
The remaining 4 spots going to Ghule, Barron, Xhekaj and Harris, with Wideman and Kovacevic as extras.

 

[26Mats]

What type of value do you guys think Eddy will have with 50% retention? A conditional draft pick, like a 2nd or 3rd? I’d imagine because he’s an injury risk, for the pick to be decent there would need to have conditions on it.

Out of all the vets that we want to see gone. Eddy is the only one where it’s actually a necessity to move him. We could get away with keeping Hoff for his final year.

When we look at how little value vets have that are coming off of bad years, I don't think Eddie has much value.

 

[rickthegoon]

Waste of a contract , already have 10 of them in the org

Happy to learn we already have 10 nasty hard hitting forecheckers .... can't wait to see them play