GDT: Qualifying Offers, Buyout Window, & July 1st Free Agency Discussion Thread

[Skip Bayless]

I'm down for McLeod.

Evans is too weak to be a 4th line C.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I find it impossible that Dvorak at 50% is not something a team with depths wouldnt want

2.25m for 2 years for a 27 year olds guy who can easily get 40 points a season on a second line.

He could be a great fit in Edmonton , Seattle , Colorado , Minnesota ,Winnipeg , Carolina and others.

It's a pretty good deal and not a long investment at all or one that hurts at all the team trading for him.

Teams are trying to find solutions for a cheap price , Dvorak at 50% is more than a solution , it's literally a discount for a team without alot of salary cap.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Oh good grief. The idea in hockey is to outscore the other team, not just score.

Play Caufield and Slaf on their natural sides in their own zone. Cross over all you want in the o-zone.

Caufield has been playing his off-wing since MSL arrived. MSL likes that. He had Gallagher on his off-wing when he was playing with Dvorak & Hoffman.

 

[MarkJ]

Have any of McLeod or Comtois been represented by Kent?
If not, who's been from the players available tomorrow?

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Oh brother... we gave up 1st and high second for newhook and not even sure he'll sign? That's awesome.

He was given a Qualifying Offer. They'll sign him.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I’m surprised we didn’t buy out Hoffman. What’s his purpose on this team? He’s just taking up a roster spot.

Hughes wants a clean slate on our 2024-25 cap structure and a buyout would mean we're still paying him next year. I'm guessing Hoffman will get traded later in the season with retained salary.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Do you think Habs might sign Duchene? 3 million a yr?

I hope not. We have way too many forwards as it is.

 

[ReHabs]

I hope not. We have way too many forwards as it is.

They really should’ve bought out Armia and Hoffman. Inexplicably passive so far.

Buying low on Duchane and Pacioretty would’ve been a hugely aggressive move

Sigh.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

They really should’ve bought out Armia and Hoffman. Inexplicably passive so far.

Buying low on Duchane and Pacioretty would’ve been a hugely aggressive move

Sigh.

Meh Armia can rot as a 13th forward

as for Hoffman they could just 50% + give a 5th for futures and be done with it.

 

[Mrb1p]

Have to wonder if that’s it for Nolan Patrick. Such a sad story for what looked like a promising career. Can’t help but feel for the kid. Forget the hockey aspect, chronic migraines affect day to day life.

Beautiful hockey player too, he was an absolute force when healthy. Its very sad.

 

[habsterr]

Comtois would be my #1 Habs target. Some skill, size and grit on the 4th line and he's only 24 years old.

 

[Draft]

I didn’t see it on the last couple pages - I think it is worth noting that McLeod is a part of the 2018 Hockey Canada investigation and (as far as I’m aware) has not denied his involvement. He made a statement but notably left a denial out of it.

Comtois was a part of the same team but has publicly denied being involved.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Up to 50 names. Morgan Geekie was not qualified by Seattle. He'll draw interest as a 4th line center. List of names so far:

Players | Puckpedia

puckpedia.com

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I didn’t see it on the last couple pages - I think it is worth noting that McLeod is a part of the 2018 Hockey Canada investigation and (as far as I’m aware) has not denied his involvement. He made a statement but notably left a denial out of it.

Comtois was a part of the same team but has publicly denied being involved.

Yeah, that investigation is going to hang over those players till they're cleared. Could definitely be a factor.

 

[ReHabs]

Meh Armia can rot as a 13th forward

as for Hoffman they could just 50% + give a 5th for futures and be done with it.

It’s not about rotting or not, the buyouts would’ve made perfect sense with very little penalty. The gained value in signing eg. Duchene and Pacioretty or taking on a nasty bad caphit for a year (at a price) would’ve made it totally worth the tiny 1.4m cap penalty three and four years from now.

Armia is a negative asset. He was awful the last two years. Brings nothing, because he’s too slow. Hoffman is one dimensional and his TOI can be given to a young player instead.

Immensely frustrating to see a Habs team both try to cheat a rebuild and be too passive to actually cheat a rebuild.

Feels like latter day Bergevin.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

They really should’ve bought out Armia and Hoffman. Inexplicably passive so far.

Buying low on Duchane and Pacioretty would’ve been a hugely aggressive move

Sigh.

Can't they buy low on Duchene or offer more than other teams if it's a 1 year deal? And then retain 50% at the trade deadline.

 

[Schooner Guy]

They really should’ve bought out Armia and Hoffman. Inexplicably passive so far.

Buying low on Duchane and Pacioretty would’ve been a hugely aggressive move

Sigh.

They don't want Hoffman still on the cap books in 2024-25 which would happen with a buy-out. They will likely trade him with retention at the deadline something like Dadonov this year. Another option is to bury him in the AHL but I don't think they'd want a disgruntled Hoffman around our kids.

 

[ReHabs]

Can't they buy low on Duchene or offer more than other teams if it's a 1 year deal? And then retain 50% at the trade deadline.

Sure they can but those two buyouts would’ve given us 6.6m more in cap space for this year, the last year of the cap crunch.

It made too much sense for Big Brain HuGo to entertain it as a notion. Smart guys like HuGo need to do things their own way.

 

[MadMslm]

I find it impossible that Dvorak at 50% is not something a team with depths wouldnt want

2.25m for 2 years for a 27 year olds guy who can easily get 40 points a season on a second line.

He could be a great fit in Edmonton , Seattle , Colorado , Minnesota ,Winnipeg , Carolina and others.

It's a pretty good deal and not a long investment at all or one that hurts at all the team trading for him.

Teams are trying to find solutions for a cheap price , Dvorak at 50% is more than a solution , it's literally a discount for a team without alot of salary cap.

I’m sure he’ll find a partner for Dvorak. I think it will also be good value in return.

 

[ReHabs]

They don't want Hoffman still on the cap books in 2024-25 which would happen with a buy-out. They will likely trade him with retention at the deadline something like Dadonov this year. Another option is to bury him in the AHL but I don't think they'd want a disgruntled Hoffman around our kids.

1.4m cap hit will be insignificant in 25-26. The gained value from selling some good player at the deadline will more than make up for it.

The Dadanov return was garbage we don’t need that. I’d rather get Duchene or Pacioretty and trade them at the deadline.

 

[ManMountain]

I don't expect anything

Edmundson and Hoffman will have "value" closer to the TDL.

Our roster is already set and we won't spend on not necessary UFA. Nothing moves the needle.

Our core seems set :

Newhook, Dach, Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield

Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson

Its very nice and promising but it needs seasoning and i think its all about growing these player now. Once its done and they are ready to take the next step, i expect Hugo to be very agressive on the UFA and trade market to surround them adequately.

2023 is not the year just yet.

Will still take the day off tomorrow, smoke a puff and enjoy the day.

But imagine getting rid of guys like Armia, Hoffman, Dvorak and signing younger guys still with tons of potential like Comtois, Patrick etc to replace them with. MUCH more exciting!

 

[Schooner Guy]

I didn’t see it on the last couple pages - I think it is worth noting that McLeod is a part of the 2018 Hockey Canada investigation and (as far as I’m aware) has not denied his involvement. He made a statement but notably left a denial out of it.

Comtois was a part of the same team but has publicly denied being involved.

Yeah, that investigation is going to hang over those players till they're cleared. Could definitely be a factor.

McLeod basically said he's cooperating and cannot comment but didn't deny involvement. Comtois denied involvement but didn't deny being there. I'd steer clear until after the investigation. The last thing the Habs need is a PR nightmare related to a sexual assault case.

 

[yianik]

Colin White was not qualified. Wasn't he represented by Hughes ? He wouldn't, would he ?

 

[Schooner Guy]

1.4m cap hit will be insignificant in 25-26. The gained value from selling some good player at the deadline will more than make up for it.

The Dadanov return was garbage we don’t need that. I’d rather get Duchene or Pacioretty and trade them at the deadline.

I doubt either Duchene or Pacioretty would come to Montreal anyway at this point in their careers so I think it's moot. Patches seemed very content about his departure.

Colin White was not qualified. Wasn't he represented by Hughes ? He wouldn't, would he ?

Yes he was. He was available last year too.