Value of: Puljujarvi

[King In The North]

2nd and a 3rd round pick

 

[McSuper]

Chance he is Koktaniemi'd this off season

Fans say this every year and it never happens . Like they say what goes around comes around and the Habs tried to poach from the Canes and it backfired .

 

[HuGort]

Fans say this every year and it never happens . Like they say what goes around comes around and the Habs tried to poach from the Canes and it backfired .

It happened last summer. Canes stole KK

 

[McSuper]

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Wrong as usually . Not that I believe you think some of the stuff you post . I think you are looking to start something . Just keep doing you while others laugh as I am sure you were the best version of you at 20 .

 

[Double Dion]

I don't know what he gets. He's an interesting player. Rough start to be sure, has some physical tools. I would think both sides would benefit from a short term, prove it style deal. Something like 2 years 5M total.

 

[Bank Shot]

Can't imagine it's all that much. Not likely to spontaneously develop a brain in his D+7. Maybe he can get a fresh start and reinvent himself like Nichushkin did because the tools are all there. Toolbox however, still not so much.

Interesting. I don't think its correct though.

Puljujarvi has good decision making and positioning on the ice for the most part. He's a very safe player, who doesn't make big mistakes defensively.

His possession stats have been consistently among the best on the team over the last two seasons.

I would say that his biggest issue is his hands. He doesn't have top line stickhandling or shooting.

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

Again, check his advanced stats. He makes *literally* everyone he plays with better. His traditional stats are just okay, but he’s not playing a lot of powerplay time.

Signing JP long term at a reasonable hit before his numbers explode would be the smartest move we’ve made in a long time.

Correct, but making moves like that is why a lot of Red Wings still hate Ken Holland despite him bringing the team two decades of success.

 

[Three On Zero]

Can't imagine it's all that much. Not likely to spontaneously develop a brain in his D+7. Maybe he can get a fresh start and reinvent himself like Nichushkin did because the tools are all there. Toolbox however, still not so much.

He reads the game too slow, has hands of stone but is big bodied and has decent fundamentals.

 

[TFHockey]

He reads the game too slow, has hands of stone but is big bodied and has decent fundamentals.

Well, local media guy Jim Matheson thinks anyone could've played Puljujarvi's position and done as well. Which probably means in reality JP is a key component on the Oilers and will only get better.

 

[Three On Zero]

Well, local media guy Jim Matheson thinks anyone could've played Puljujarvi's position and done as well. Which probably means in reality JP is a key component on the Oilers and will only get better.

He has an element to his game that Edmonton surely needs. The big question mark is if he WILL get any better, he's still young enough that he can improve

 

[Sweetpotato]

Sign him long term at a reasonable rate before he starts putting up even higher numbers and give him an offseason of skills work with Oates or whoever and prep for next year and watch out. He's genuinely a few notches away, in terms of puck skills and finishing, from being a top tier 2-way winger which is exactly what we need for either McDavid or Draisaitl.

You move Yamamoto before you move Poolparty.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

2nd and a 3rd round pick

Kassian + Edm 2023 2nd for M.McLeod + 2024 3rd?

We could use the cap savings moving Kassian. I’d pay the 2nd provided we can get a 3rd in a later draft.

 

[Double Dion]

Kassian + Edm 2023 2nd for M.McLeod + 2024 3rd?

We could use the cap savings moving Kassian. I’d pay the 2nd provided we can get a 3rd in a later draft.

That would be an amazing deal for the Oilers. Why would the other side even remotely consider it? McLeod is younger, cheaper, better and makes less money. I mean a 2nd and Kassian isn't enough to make that deal without NJ sending a pick back.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

When he was drafted, I thought Puljujarvi had 'Legion of Doom' potential, but after watching him the past 2 years, I'm convinced he actually has a shot at becoming a player more like Jere Lehtinen.

For all the complaints McDavid and Draisaitl get about playing defense, Puljujarvi is always right back there to cover for them.

I think people are sleeping on him. He's only 23.
I think if his defensive game continues to grow, in a few years he could be in the conversation for a Selke.

 

[KaosKommando]

When he was drafted, I thought Puljujarvi had 'Legion of Doom' potential, but after watching him the past 2 years, I'm convinced he actually has a shot at becoming a player more like Jere Lehtinen.

For all the complaints McDavid and Draisaitl get about playing defense, Puljujarvi is always right back there to cover for them.

I think people are sleeping on him. He's only 23.
I think if his defensive game continues to grow, in a few years he could be in the conversation for a Selke.

Let's hold on that Selke talk, but for a big doofus, he does make a lot of smart plays at both ends.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Let's hold on that Selke talk, but for a big doofus, he does make a lot of smart plays at both ends.

Lets see what he learns from Danault and Kopitar this series.

I could see JP being relied upon to shut down the other teams top lines. IN a lot of ways he's like a 3rd defenseman out there. He's got solid positioning, a huge frame, and massive reach. It doesn't always look like he does much, but he's always in solid position cutting up lanes to the goalie, and prevents plays from happening. If we ever separate him from McDavid, I am 100% comfortable giving him 100% of the defensive zone starts. The guy just drives the puck the right way (mind you, that might be a LOT due to the team being overly focused on McDavid).

I think in a couple more years, I could see him blossom into an elite "shut down" forward.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

When he was drafted, I thought Puljujarvi had 'Legion of Doom' potential, but after watching him the past 2 years, I'm convinced he actually has a shot at becoming a player more like Jere Lehtinen.

For all the complaints McDavid and Draisaitl get about playing defense, Puljujarvi is always right back there to cover for them.

I think people are sleeping on him. He's only 23.
I think if his defensive game continues to grow, in a few years he could be in the conversation for a Selke.

His defensive awareness really is top notch. Most of the time there's a puck battle between a linemate and someone else he's not cheating toward a scoring position, he's hovering back in case there's a turnover - and plenty of times he gets his stick in the way to disrupt breakout passes, keeping the pressure on. It's great to see.

 

[KaosKommando]

Lets see what he learns from Danault and Kopitar this series.

I could see JP being relied upon to shut down the other teams top lines. IN a lot of ways he's like a 3rd defenseman out there. He's got solid positioning, a huge frame, and massive reach. It doesn't always look like he does much, but he's always in solid position cutting up lanes to the goalie, and prevents plays from happening. If we ever separate him from McDavid, I am 100% comfortable giving him 100% of the defensive zone starts. The guy just drives the puck the right way (mind you, that might be a LOT due to the team being overly focused on McDavid).

I think in a couple more years, I could see him blossom into an elite "shut down" forward.

I don't think he needs to be "shut down" anything. He's a player that makes everyone around him better(nerds prove me right). He finds you on ice and he's there to make room for you. Only thing wrong is that he isn't playing with Kopitar and Danault.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I don't think he needs to be "shut down" anything. He's a player that makes everyone around him better(nerds prove me right). He finds you on ice and he's there to make room for you. Only thing wrong is that he isn't playing with Kopitar and Danault.

Last offseason, I was bullish on the Oilers signing Danault over Hyman, but whatever. No regrets on Hyman.

That said, everyone here in Montreal told me he would NOT sign anywhere to be a 3rd line Center, which was a huge reason why he left Montreal to begin with.

 

[McSuper]

It happened last summer. Canes stole KK

See the whole post . Canes made it clear it was because the Canadian's tried to sign RFA Aho hence why I said it backfired

 

[McSuper]

Trying to offload bad contracts along with Puljujarvi isn’t going to get you anything of value

Trying to add cap dumps to get Puljujarvi isn't going to work .

Just because a player is overpaid doesn't mean they are useless .

Example

X Team offers a D that making 4.5 million . All his comparable are making 3 million . He is signed for 4 more years . The Oilers could use the player . His fair value would be Puljujarvi if he was paid 3 million . The other team would have to retain 1.5 a season or take another contract like Kassian back . Kassian is paid just over 3 million he should be paid at about 1.5 to 2 and has 2 year left . Team x takes Kassian to make up the overpaid players difference .

 

[HolyGhost]

maybe a 2nd or 3rd right now

 

[dredeye]

Not that the Oilers will trade him but with Bourgault . Holloway and if we can re-sign Kane I would be willing to move Pujjujarvi for the best goalie we can get .

Best goalie for Puljujarvi , offers ? We need a goalie that is healthy and is not a head case ..So no Price and NJD can keep their problem far away for the Oilers we already have Archibald whom I like but he isn't worth the trouble . Keep in mind the Oilers may have to send more cap back to fit a higher paid goalie under the cap .

Trade may look something like this

Puljujarvi + Barrie/Kassian/Smith for a goalie


Most Oilers fans won't agree with trading Puljujarvi which I get . If the Oilers had average goaltending they likely have an extra 10 wins .

Update . Fellow Oilers fans are starting to agree with me Puljujarvi will be traded . so I decided to add another option . A defensive D man for Puljujarvi . Can be adds either way to balance the deal out .

Adding a cap dump to a good piece is not going to get you the return you’re hoping for. If you want a good goalie add to him with value.

 

[ESH]

Trying to add cap dumps to get Puljujarvi isn't going to work .

Just because a player is overpaid doesn't mean they are useless .

Example

X Team offers a D that making 4.5 million . All his comparable are making 3 million . He is signed for 4 more years . The Oilers could use the player . His fair value would be Puljujarvi if he was paid 3 million . The other team would have to retain 1.5 a season or take another contract like Kassian back . Kassian is paid just over 3 million he should be paid at about 1.5 to 2 and has 2 year left . Team x takes Kassian to make up the overpaid players difference .

Can you give any real life examples of a trade like that from recent years? Or even think of an actual player that would make sense in this “example” of yours?

 

[McSuper]

Can you give any real life examples of a trade like that from recent years? Or even think of an actual player that would make sense in this “example” of yours?

I never looked at D but there is JT in Toronto . There is Binnington in St Louis but that may have changed with the way he is playing in the playoffs .


Here a link and many of these players might work

50 NHL Players Who Aren’t Worth the Money

Bad contracts are the bane of general managers when they have NHL players who aren't worth the money.

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