Post-Game Talk: PS #6 - 09/27/18 | RANGERS @ flyers | 7:00 - MSG, NHLN
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Lone Ranger
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I think we need to wait until Lias is old enough to have a drink in this country before we evaluate his boom/bust floor/ceiling projections.
Edge
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Everything he does or doesn't is under a glaring microscope on these boards.
Watching some of the reactions is like watching a white knuckle flyer react to every sound, dip, or sway during a flight.
And being a 7th overall pick will do that. This shouldn’t be surprising. We aren’t discussing a project late first round pick here. KAndre Miller isn’t under this microscope. Lias is and for good reason. You know that and considering the league has gotten even younger it’s completely warranted for a guy chosen above others because he was supposedly nhl ready.
haveandare
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A 7th overall pick not contributing in their draft year is not even remarkable in the slightest. Even in their D+1 year that isn't remarkable at all. Most people don't think of 7OAs are sure lock impact players, let alone instantly.
Oscar Lindberg
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While I agree, I think he's saying more along the lines of the team took Andersson because he was billed as NHL ready, as opposed to someone with higher upside, but were farther away from contributing
I genuinely believe the team thought Andersson could play in the NHL last season, before the preseason
Edge
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Frankly, I don't think we're treating him like a 7th overall pick. I think we're treating him like a top 3 pick.
As for the chosen above others argument --- does that also apply to Cody Glass, Cale Makar and the other players chosen ahead of Andersson who haven't yet played in the NHL and/or won't until the spring?
Edge
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I think him being closer to playing in the NHL was not the driving force behind his selection. I think it was something they considered and something they liked, but I don't think it was the reason for choosing Andersson above players "with higher upsides."
That concept is something perpetuated by a handful of people on here.
But it also has inherent flaws --- it's them projected their opinion on to the Rangers, and it assumes that the players picked after Andersson have higher upsides.
A top 7 pick should be under the microscope
At the same time you know very well that the guys you mentioned are supremely talented but were not yet nhl ready nor were they chosen because they were deemed to be. You’d also give up Andersson in 2 seconds for either of those guys so that point is moot and you know it.
Andersson was picked higher than he should have been because he was supposed to be the closest to nhl ready. He was not and we left better players on the table because of need. Big mistake. This isn’t the nfl.
Edge
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First comment --- within reason. This is not within reason, especially after what he's done since being drafted. This is drama. Big difference.
Second comment --- I'd give up Andersson for some of those guys, probably not Makar. Unknown about Glass at this point. But I'm not really sure what your point is? That I would give up a guy taken 7th for guys taken 1-6? Wouldn't it be a more compelling argument if you said I'd give up Andersson for guys taken 8-13?
Third comment --- I disagree with you and have nothing more to add to the (literal) volumes of feedback I and others have already provided on this topic.
Tob
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Management didn't take him because he was "billed to be NHL ready". They took him because they liked him and his character. It's asinine to judge Lias based on some criteria he was billed with on draft day.
haveandare
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I think he was billed as comparatively NHL ready, which has rung true so far. He was playing in men's leagues including the AHL last year while many picks around him were in leagues with kids. He'll likely make the jump this year while others around him will still be developing in lower leagues.
Edge
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I also think the general consensus is that he could've made the NHL team to start the season. Let's not suddenly act like he played himself off the opening night roster.
There’s a difference between being NHL ready, and more likely than others to be a quality NHL player.
I’ve always been under the impression that one of the reasons we took Lias was because they felt there was very little “bust” factor and that he was a shoe in to be at worst a solid middle 6er for many years while likely becoming an impact 2nd line player.
It wasn’t about whether he would reach those levels as a rookie, or 2-3 years down the road like most others.
I’ve always been under the impression that one of the reasons we took Lias was because they felt there was very little “bust” factor and that he was a shoe in to be at worst a solid middle 6er for many years while likely becoming an impact 2nd line player.
It wasn’t about whether he would reach those levels as a rookie, or 2-3 years down the road like most others.
PuckLuck3043
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That's obviously not what the rangers brass thought of him when they picked him No. 7.
PuckLuck3043
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Yes and he played well in SEL and world juniors but some people on this board think players are a bust if they don't impress in the first 20 minutes no matter how young they are.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Whose saying those were good picks? I don't think either of those players are top ten in a re-draft. I don't think Tippett, the other in the top 10 who isn't in the NHL to start the season, is top 10 in a re-draft either. I don't think Andersson or Tippett are top 20. Makar might not be either.
These players were not good picks. That doesn't mean they won't be productive NHL players, but we, along with Colorado, Vegas and Florida got those picks wrong.
Edge
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I’ve wonder if we’ve become spoiled by young players immediately becoming regulars and/or key players, e.g. Del Zotto, Staal, McDonagh, Stepan, Hayes, Skjei, maybe Kreider?
Irishguy42
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I think it's more getting jealous of it happening around the league.
ZiGOODejad
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do they think Brett Howden is just a 4c at this point or do they think he has middle six potential? Maybe I haven’t watched enough of him in the preseason but imo a 4c has to be real good defensively
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