Post-Game Talk: PS #4 - 09/24/19 | islanders @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG, NHLN

[UnSandvich]

I suppose you don't like Chytil either. Both had 23 points last year with Howden playing less games. But Howden worth is more than any offensive production. He is very sound defensively. And his PK last night with Lemieux was outstanding.

A. I'm actually a big fan of Chytil, and think he's got a solid Top 9 career ahead of him, just not sure of his ceiling. So try again there.
B. Howden also played an avg of a minute 10 seconds more than Chytil per game last season
C. Chytil had almost twice as many SOG last season compared to Howden.
D. Howden last season was absolutely not worth his limited offensive production.
E. He really isn't very sound defensively. At all. Last season the team got routinely caved in possession-wise whenever he was on the ice.
F. His PK was good-to-meh. Outstanding is a far cry from what he supplied.

G. The esteemed PB had better takes than you, and that's REALLY saying something.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

You go to ESPN for hockey. Theres your first mistake.

I don’t go to ESPN for hockey. I use it for other sports

 

[MyLoveIsBlue]

Fox was money

Brendan smith is not money

Chad was solid and when he finds his spot and settles in hell be very good at that 3C role

Lots of creative passing tonight this team has playmakers for days

Bread
Kakko
Buch
Krav
Mika
Fox
ADA

We need a smart speedy center for line 2 and it aint ...

Chad
Howden
Fil

Strome so far has my vote

Hank played great as did georgie. Good to see that

Oh, Smith is money. Lots of poorly spent money out the window.

 

[ohbaby]

I don't think anyone will be that surprised to see Howden played over and in better situations than Lias. That's been happening for a year now.

Well you coulda fooled me with all the pushback and insults.

The question of whether he deserves to is the one you keep answering with "he will!"

Well, if you look at it as a numbers game, we only have so many players that can start the season. It will be hard to keep Lias coming out of camp. And as you said Howden has figured more prominently and rightfully so.

They gonna send Kravtsov down to keep Lias? I doubt it.

 

[UnSandvich]

Well you coulda fooled me with all the pushback and insults.


Well, if you look at it as a numbers game, we only have so many players that can start the season, it will be hard to keep Lias coming out of camp. And as you said Howden has figured more prominently and rightfully so.

They gonna send Kravtsov down to keep Lias? I doubt it.

See, if you actually read his post, you'd be able to tell that's not what he was saying. The implication is that he should not be. Which is true.

 

[ohbaby]

See, if you actually read his post, you'd be able to tell that's not what he was saying. The implication is that he should not be. Which is true.

I don't know what to tell you Sanvich. You wanna turn this into something it is not. It is not an offensive comparison between Chytil and Howden. It was an example of how those players were used. In other words Howden was better at center, due to his being responsible. If not, they could have easily replaced him with someone else, (Lias, Names, Nieves to name a few)

So saying "He really isn't very sound defensively. At all" rings very hollow.

And the implication that he should not be playing..... also has no merit.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Oh, Smith is money. Lots of poorly spent money out the window.View attachment 257403

A Little Rascals gif deserves a ‘like’.

 

[UnSandvich]

I don't know what to tell you Sanvich. You wanna turn this into something it is not. It is not a comparison between Chytil and Howden. It was an example of how those players was used. In other words Howden was better at center, due to his being responsible. If not, they could have easily replaced him with someone else, (Lias, Names, Nieves to name a few)

So saying "He really isn't very sound defensively. At all" rings very hollow.

And the implication that he should not be playing..... also has no merit.

Read the post you replied to, read your reply, read my reply to you. A couple times if you need, to make sure you actually understand it. I'll even do you the favor of quoting all three here, just so they're nice and convenient.

I don't think anyone will be that surprised to see Howden played over and in better situations than Lias. That's been happening for a year now.

The question of whether he deserves to is the one you keep answering with "he will!"

That's a confusing way to answer that question.

Well you coulda fooled me with all the pushback and insults.


Well, if you look at it as a numbers game, we only have so many players that can start the season, it will be hard to keep Lias coming out of camp. And as you said Howden has figured more prominently and rightfully so.

They gonna send Kravtsov down to keep Lias? I doubt it.

See, if you actually read his post, you'd be able to tell that's not what he was saying. The implication is that he should not be. Which is true.

The point DirtyH is making is that nobody will be surprised when Howden is played over better players, because he was for most of last season. DirtyH is questioning whether he deserves it, and pointing out the fact that you say Howden will be there just because "he will".

You then turn around and say "as you said Howden has figured more prominently and rightfully so." which is pretty much the exact opposite of what DirtyH is saying.

My post was simply clarifying his point. The implication is mine, and I stand by it. Howden was Tanner Glass-level bad last season in everything but his point production (and even that was very limited). The Rangers were a better team last season when he was not on the ice, and i've seen no reason to think that's changed.

 

[ohbaby]

The implication is mine, and I stand by it. Howden was Tanner Glass-level bad last season in everything but his point production

Believe what you will, but your logic is flawed. Positions played and time on ice are earned in this game. This won't change, regardless of what you may think.

And just FYI, he did not say "Howden is played over better players" He said,.. he has played in better situations. You suggest that is what he implied, well I'm not a mind reader.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

From last night

 

[TheDirtyH]

Believe what you will, but your logic is flawed. Positions played and time on ice are earned in this game. This won't change, regardless of what you may think.

And just FYI, he did not say "Howden is played over better players" He said,.. he has played in better situations. You suggest that is what he implied, well I'm not a mind reader.

I said over and in better situations. But to be clear, I was very much suggesting as I have for most of the past year that Howden has shown next to nothing to deserve the ice time and teammate quality he's gotten at the expense of Anderson and Chytil. About Anderson, I've usually limited myself to pointing out that he's really been no worse than Howden given their respective minutes; this preseason, however, the majority of takes I'm reading see Anderson as flatly outplaying Howden.

What I was getting at was that there are a lot of posters right now who feel Anderson has played much better than Howden. Some even think Howden should start in the AHL. I would be surprised if any of those posters necessarily expect that the roles and placements of these two players on the roster at the end of the pre-season will align with the players' performances.

You've pretty much said your piece though, here. "Positions played and time on ice are earned in this game." Even if that's true, it can be fun to ask what it might mean to "earn" it. Or to have earned it. Or whether a player needs to continue to earn it. Etc. And maybe you'd find you disagree with or even just feel uncertain about what decisions a coach makes, or a GM makes. That's where I'm coming from anyway...

 

[EpicDing]

A "Chad" is like an alpha male. It's a stupid internet meme. I thought it was only used at this point by those creepy "incel" people. Someone applied it to Lias after his draft and unfortunately it stuck with some.

Difference being when an incel uses it it's a term of derision, when we use it its a term of affection.

 

[will1066]

I don’t go to ESPN for hockey. I use it for other sports

BASEketball on ESPN 8. The Ocho.

 

[LORDE]

Hysterical that we have all this new (and young ish) talent and the whole game was Hank saving their shoddy asses in the 1st... would’ve been 3-0 quick.
The more things change...

 

[ohbaby]

You've pretty much said your piece though, here. "Positions played and time on ice are earned in this game." Even if that's true, it can be fun to ask what it might mean to "earn" it

This is not secret code. Earn means earn. I have showed video of Lias dogging it on the backcheck,.. and looking like a tree stump on the PK, playing along side Zibanejad. IMO, Howden has looked better. Lias might have improved over last year, but he is in a tough spot to make the team out of camp. If he makes it, good for him. But it won't be Howden's spot on the roster he's taking, that I can tell you with confidence. No sense beating this dead horse anymore. We shall all see soon enough.

 

[ThirdEye]

Imo both Howden and Anderson need to spend a full year in the AHL

Chytil hasn't been anything special but I feel like his game is at at least at the minimum required level to play in the NHL not on the 4th line playing 8 min a game

 

[kovazub94]

Howden has NOT been defensively responsible. Both eye test and stats support this. He bought a bigger slack from DQ with his hassle and early offensive success. Nothing more. I want all Rangers prospects to succeed but imho Lias will leapfrog Howden this season in terms of minutes and situational usage.

 

[egelband]

Imo both Howden and Anderson need to spend a full year in the AHL

Chytil hasn't been anything special but I feel like his game is at at least at the minimum required level to play in the NHL not on the 4th line playing 8 min a game

Actually I've been more impressed with Howden and Andersson than Chytil so far this preseason. But I suppose that has a lot to do with their respective situations. Chytil has been playing with the fifth stringers.
Still, I'd give Kravtsov a month in Hartford to open space for all three until a trade can be made to alleviate the logjam.