Prospect Info: Prospect Info and Discussion VIII - Future Canes and other Jurcos

[Jamie Craig]

She broke it immediately on Twitter which doesn’t require an Athletic subscription. And as she gets more plugged in I expect to see that much more, which is exciting and a good sign for a young, promising reporter.

I really really like Civian’s work, my point is not that she’s not a good reporter or writer. My point is that some of the very high-end, in-depth stuff like the Wheeler article mentioned above is not something she’s doing because it’s not really her job. She takes a fun, fresh approach to the team that makes her articles more enjoyable than Luke’s or Chip’s in my opinion, but I wouldn’t pay solely for Luke or Chip in the same way I wouldn’t pay for The Athletic solely for Sara. That’s not really a knock, I probably wouldn’t pay solely for any one writer. Hence my original comment, if you’re only looking for Canes coverage, Sara is the majority of it, and there’s not a ton behind the paywall from Sara that you wouldn’t eventually get anyway from other sources except the human interest takes (or, as THH said, if she gets an exclusive interview). If the human interest pieces interest you, go for it. They’re well written and well done and I read every single one. But if I was ONLY looking for Canes coverage I probably wouldn’t join just for Sara.

Usually I just lurk this forum (I'm a Wild/Canes fan, I just don't like to argue), but thanks for a really well thought out response and good point

 

[vorbis]

thanks for all the helpful responses, folks. it sounds like it might be a good choice for me regardless. trust me, i have tried to pull the trigger a few times. but sara combined with the idea of reading joe person articles about the panthers behind a paywall just struck me as incongruous with my expectations for journalism. not to turn this into a bash sara thread, but there have been several things she has said on twitter that were just blatantly ignorant to her job description that keyed me into the idea that she wasn't the type of journalist that would be consistently worth my time. at one point saying that she sees no reason why her reporting can't be positive all the time kind of cracked me up. it was basically like saying "who cares if i'm afraid to ask tough questions in scrums because i want everyone to like me?" she seems like she would be good at getting the players to act naturally around her and that will help her human interest stories, but her defiance about her role in delivering the frustration of the fanbase to the people that matter hurt her journalistic integrity. people want the truth and people want reporters that won't wilt from saying something that requires saying even if it doesn't sit 100% right with who they're interviewing. i'm not interested in dougie hamilton's favorite color and why it's such a mood.

not to stray off topic too much, but probably a good selling point for the Athletic for someone like you is related to the bolded.

Joe Person at the Athletic is a totally different animal than Joe Person at the Charlotte Observer. much more freedom to cover angles for impact, rather than pageviews. maybe you won't like him much more in this format, but you'll get more out of his work without a doubt.

and Jourdan Rodrigue is an ascending star for this site, where she has more room to stretch out stories for color and depth. ties in to her true strengths as a writer IMO.

I guess what I'm saying is the journalistic model of the Athletic is as much a selling point as the quality of writing it enables.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

thanks for all the helpful responses, folks. it sounds like it might be a good choice for me regardless. trust me, i have tried to pull the trigger a few times. but sara combined with the idea of reading joe person articles about the panthers behind a paywall just struck me as incongruous with my expectations for journalism. not to turn this into a bash sara thread, but there have been several things she has said on twitter that were just blatantly ignorant to her job description that keyed me into the idea that she wasn't the type of journalist that would be consistently worth my time. at one point saying that she sees no reason why her reporting can't be positive all the time kind of cracked me up. it was basically like saying "who cares if i'm afraid to ask tough questions in scrums because i want everyone to like me?" she seems like she would be good at getting the players to act naturally around her and that will help her human interest stories, but her defiance about her role in delivering the frustration of the fanbase to the people that matter hurt her journalistic integrity. people want the truth and people want reporters that won't wilt from saying something that requires saying even if it doesn't sit 100% right with who they're interviewing. i'm not interested in dougie hamilton's favorite color and why it's such a mood.

If this is your take (I think you should give her articles a chance though I do get where you’re coming from), I can say I joined The Athletic far before the Canes had a dedicated presence (joined Summer 2017) and have been continually thrilled with my purchase.

 

[Lempo]

Download The Athletic app, don't sign in yet. You'd be soon enough in for a ~50 percent off offer for yearly subscription.

At USD25 you'd feel a proper Dundo complaining of the quality.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I can't speak for the amount of sports anyone else is into, but my only problem with the Athletic at this point is there's almost too much content for me to keep up with. I get good coverage of teams I'm interested in with the Canes, Mariners, Patriots, Hokies, Avs, Duke, the Caps (tangentially since they are local and my wife is a fan), I get plenty of national coverage for all those sports, and then I occasionally see an article for another team that I find to be a pretty interesting angle. It's rare that I can't open the app and find a few stories I'm interested in, that are good quality.

 

[Jamie Craig]

I also think Civ has been getting more comfortable being critical. I just read her most recent article and she was ripping on Jake Bean and Gustav Forsling. Would I subscribe to a website just for a young reporter in the second season with a team? No. I subscribed for Russo. But I enjoy reading her and am excited to see where she can go.

Goodness, What are we even talking about? Is it October yet?

 

[tarheelhockey]

For those who are trying to get a sense of the content balance without committing to a subscription to see behind the curtain, here's a preview of what shows up in my feed since 9/10, as of the minute I'm posting this:

September 18
Canes Civian article, posted today, which breaks down the defenseman logjam. Gives thoughts on each defenseman, mostly in a comic-relief mode.
Panthers Person article on how Cam Newton needs to take a break and heal up
Panthers Daniel Popper asks Thomas Davis to list his 5 favorite tackles
NHL Jonathan Willis on how goalies lost their #1 jobs last season (and some detail about how Cam Ward missed a chance to earn one)
NHL Nando di Fino with a 2019-20 fantasy draft kit
NHL Calgary entry in Dom Luszczyszyn's team-by-team season previews. Lindholm likely to regress, pressure on Hanifin to break out.
NHL Scott Cullen on fantasy sleepers
NHL Shayna Coleman with a deep dive on advanced stats sleepers (forward edition)
NFL Mike Sando, could the 2019 Dolphins be the worst team ever?
NFL Dane Brugler on prospect Chase Claypool's weird path to the NFL
NFL Ross Tucker on the Melvin Gordon holdout

September 17
Panthers Jourdan Rodriguez on Cam Newton's ankle sprain
Panthers Lindsay Jones power rankings (Panthers #24, down from #16)
Panthers Sheil Kapadia's 10 things to like and disike about Week 2, Newton is mentioned but the spotlight goes to Kirk Cousins' 4th quarter
Panthers Joe Person on the geography of the Panthers locker room
NHL Pierre Lebrun on the owners' reaction to CBA extension
NHL Justin Bourne on how much we should really read into preseason lineups, games, results
NHL Scott Burnside with an inside look at the reality of PTOs
NHL Dallas entry in Dom Luszczyszyn's team-by-team season previews.
NHL Eric Duhatschek on how Johnny Gaudreau's next step is a deep Cup run
NFL Dan Duggan on the beginning of the Daniel Jones era in NYC
NFL Daniel Wallach on whether the commissioner is going to come down on Antonio Brown
NFL Bob McGinn on the Packers win

September 16
Canes Scott Wheeler's phenomenal "The Gifted" article on Necas. This is #9 in a series of 10 leaguewide, and he does another 10 each year.
Canes Down Goes Brown rating every team in the league according to the weirdness of their offseason, which actually doubles as a solid season preview (Canes finished a hair behind the Wild at #2)
Canes Scott Wheeler rating rookies according to Calder likelihood (Necas #12, Bean honorable mention)
Canes Civian on Training Camp Day 4
Panthers Mike Sando has Newton as the NFL's 6th-most concerning QB situation (Andrew Luck is #1, for some reason)
NHL Katie Strang on takeaways from the NHLPA decision
NHL Pierre Lebrun on how the RFA defenseman comparables played out, and what to expect next season
NHL Mitch Brown video scouting report on Kaapo Kakko
NHL San Jose entry in Dom Luszczyszyn's team-by-team season previews.
NFL Sheil Kapadia on the Steelers/Dolphins trade
NFL Richard Deitch on what it's like to call your first game on TV
NFL Mike Sando's Week 3 picks
NFL Chris Perkins didn't like the Dolphins trade
NFL Phillip Heilman on the Jalen Ramsay trade demand
NFL Mike Lombardi on the Bears' QB problem
NFL Jeff Duncan deep-dive on Saints/Rams

September 15
NHL Colorado entry in Dom Luszczyszyn's team-by-team season previews.
NFL Katherine Terrell on the nightmare of the Saints without Drew Brees
NFL Nick Underhill on what Antonio Brown could do for the Patriots
NFL Ed Bouchette says the Steelers are in trouble

September 14
Canes Civian human interest piece on Fleury, one of her solid inside-access pieces
Panthers Joe Person's 20 takeaways from Week 2 loss
NHL Tarek El-Bashir interview with Brian MacLellan on what the Caps move forward with Kuznetsov
NHL Joe Smith on how the Lightning are digging their heels in with Brayden Point
NHL Michael Russo on the Spurgeon extension
NHL Florida entry in Dom Luszczyszyn's team-by-team season previews.
NFL Jason Wilde retrospective on Bart Starr
NFL Staff item on Week 2 interesting games

September 13
Canes Civian training camp Day 1 summary
Canes Corey Pronman on the top goalie prospects (Ned #15, Kotchetkov #16)
Panthers Jordan Rodrigues asks WTF is going on with Cam Newton
NHL James Mirtle on the pressure that the Marner extension will put on the Leafs' young core
NHL Katie Strang on the looming NHLPA deadline
NHL Craig Custance with a pot-stirring article on the CBA decision
NHL New Jersey entry in Dom Luszczyszyn's team-by-team season previews.
NHL Pierre Lebrun Q&A with Marc Bergevin
NFL Inside Injuries mailbag
NFL Dane Brugler on what the scouts will be watching in NCAA football
NFL Jay Glazer mailbag
NFL Mike Lombardi on Dan Snyder
NFL Tom Reed on the early days of MNF

September 12
Canes Civian training camp preview
Canes Corey Pronman on the top 124 prospects (Necas #10, Suzuki #37, Fox #39, Bean #62, Puistola #83)
Panthers Joe Person asks if we've already seen the best of Cam Newton
Panthers Sheil Kapadia takes the Panthers at -6.5 (thanks)
NHL Scott Burnside on how the RFA logjam is keeping Brian Boyle from getting a contract
NHL Pierre Lebrun on what a fair Marner contract would look like
NHL Minnesota entry in Dom Luszczyszyn's team-by-team season previews.
NFL Nick Underhill on how Tom Brady crams a towel into his center's butt
NFL Vic Tafur's Week 2 picks
NFL Dan Kaplan on TV ratings, the transition to 5G, other business stuff
NFL Lindsay Jones roundtable with other reporters
NFL Dane Brugler on prospect Adam Trautman
NFL Richard Deitch on increased TV ratings

September 11
Canes Craig Custance recruited a bunch of NHL'ers to play GM and re-draft 2015. Mat Barzal took Mitch Marner at 5 instead of Hanifin.
Canes Corey Pronman impressions from rookie tournaments (good things about Suzuki and Bean, expect Bean to be in the AHL again)
Canes Dom Luszczyszyn's top-200 fantasy players (Aho #33, Hamilton #69 [nice], Teravainen #93, Svechnikov #119, Nino #139, Gardiner #157, Mrazek #162... Nino most undervalued RW)
Panthers Joe Person/Jourdan Rodriguez Week 2 preview, in conversation-transcript format
Panthers Greg Auman on how the Bucs need to be concerned with containing Christian McCaffrey
Panthers Joe Person on Gerald McCoy's quest for more playing time
NHL Mitch Brown video scouting report on Jack Hughes
NHL Scott Wheeler "The Gifted" article breaking down how Cody Glass reads a play
NHL Pierre Lebrun on the Blues Cup defense
NHL Winnipeg entry in Dom Luszczyszyn's team-by-team season previews.
NFL Ted Nguyen film room piece on Cowboys, Cards, Ravens
NFL Zac Keefer on Jacoby Brissett's first start as a Colt
NFL Ross Tucker on Jags' new starting QB
NFL Daniel Kaplan insider piece on an NFL Sunday at PointsBet

September 10
Canes Civian piece on Justin Faulk rumors
Canes Dom Luszczyszyn on best gambling values for 2019-20. He has Carolina as a value bet in playoff chances and overall points.
Panthers Lindsay Jones power rankings (Panthers #16, up from #17)
Panthers Sheil Kapadia's 10 things to like and dislike about Week 1, Panthers' sloppiness is #5 on the dislike list
Panthers Jourdan Rodrigue on James Bradberry's confidence-driven breakout
NHL Katie Strang on Kaapo Kakko's tournament feedback
NHL Rob Rossi's phenomenal human interest piece on Evgeni Malkin
NHL Scott Burnside on whether Carter Hart is ready to be a #1 goalie in Philadelphia
NHL Peter Mendelsohn on Shayne Corson's efforts to improve mental health treatment
NHL Philadelphia entry in Dom Luszczyszyn's team-by-team season previews.
NFL Nick Underhill hard-news piece on the Antonio Brown allegations




Now, bear in mind I am only following Canes, Panthers, NHL, and NFL. There is an equivalent amount of content that I will never even see for every single team, and leaguewide pieces on MLB, NBA, CFB, CBB, Soccer (broken out by league), Motorsports, MMA, Golf, Boxing, WNBA, the business of sports, and a bunch of podcasts.

And no, there's not a chance in hell I would ever read all of this. It's like a fire hydrant of content. I just focus on the cream that rises to the top, which really is phenomenal stuff compared to any other outlet I'm aware of.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Boy I need to change my preferences.

When I joined there wasn’t nearly as much content so I followed every NHL team along with NHL, Panthers, and Yellow Jackets. My feed is now unusable.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

If you’re just a Canes fan, maybe skip it.

If you’re an NHL fan, their national stuff is outstanding and fun (Dom L’s and Corey P’s lists, Sean McIndoe’s everything he writes), and other teams’ coverage is great as well.

But you’re right that 50-75% of Canes-related articles will be written by Sara, and while she’s a good writer and I enjoy her pieces she doesn’t bring much new to the table.

If you're a fan of other sports, it's also a great value. I follow the Saints in the NFL and AFC Bournemouth in the Premier League, and there's outstanding coverage for both.

 

[geehaad]

Vagrant:

Come to the dark side, you knob.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Come to the dark side, you knob.

Ah, the original pre-edit script.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Jamieson Rees made his season debut tonight but will be suspended for this 5 minute major he took in the 2nd period

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Good ole Canadian boy.

 

[Lempo]

 

[ookhaab]

Could have gone worse

 

[tarheelhockey]

Didn’t look much like a hit to the head. Definitely boarding, resulting in his head hitting the glass.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Yea, the bad angle doesn't really show much, but it looked more like boarding gone a little wrong because the guy looked down to reach for the puck or something?

 

[Generalsupdates]

Didn’t look much like a hit to the head. Definitely boarding, resulting in his head hitting the glass.

It’s his 2nd hitting to the head major penalty in his last 5 regular season games. The last one he broke Cole Coskey’s jaw and got suspended 8 games. I could see this one being 5-8 as a repeat offender

 

[tarheelhockey]

It’s his 2nd hitting to the head major penalty in his last 5 regular season games. The last one he broke Cole Coskey’s jaw and got suspended 8 games. I could see this one being 5-8 as a repeat offender

But he didn’t hit the guy in the head

 

[bleedgreen]

That was lame. You’re available to be hit, and the guy stood there against the glass with his face close to the boards and his back turned while fishing for a lost puck with his head down.

The way the current generation uses showing their numbers in all situations as puck protection is pretty annoying. That whole play was a perfect example of the forward doing it wrong. Head down. Spins the wrong way and shows his numbers. Puts himself into an awful spot. He was supposed to get decked. This is the generational argument right here imo. That historically has always been on the attacking forward for making a bad choice. The new generation says “no you should be safe when you spin the wrong way and show your numbers” and this hitter gets classified as a degenerate who’s probably a cannibal in his free time.

Old school says, “oh you didn’t catch a pass smoothly and had to slow down? Square up because you’re about to get rocked.”

New school... “no I’m good, watch what happens to this guy.”

I’ll go back to keeping my eye on these misbehaving clouds.

 

[Ole Gil]

That was lame. You’re available to be hit, and the guy stood there against the glass with his face close to the boards and his back turned while fishing for a lost puck with his head down.

The way the current generation uses showing their numbers in all situations as puck protection is pretty annoying. That whole play was a perfect example of the forward doing it wrong. Head down. Spins the wrong way and shows his numbers. Puts himself into an awful spot. He was supposed to get decked. This is the generational argument right here imo. That historically has always been on the attacking forward for making a bad choice. The new generation says “no you should be safe when you spin the wrong way and show your numbers” and this hitter gets classified as a degenerate who’s probably a cannibal in his free time.

Old school says, “oh you didn’t catch a pass smoothly and had to slow down? Square up because you’re about to get rocked.”

New school... “no I’m good, watch what happens to this guy.”

I’ll go back to keeping my eye on these misbehaving clouds.

I'm with you 100% on principle.

The problem is that brain damage leading to suicide at 45 isn't a reasonable punishment for turning the wrong way in a hockey game. Back when we just thought it was "Your bell gets rung, maybe you miss a couple games", that's fairly acceptable.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I'm with you 100% on principle.

The problem is that brain damage leading to suicide at 45 isn't a reasonable punishment for turning the wrong way in a hockey game. Back when we just thought it was "Your bell gets rung, maybe you miss a couple games", that's fairly acceptable.

Yup. If this changes the way the game is played, so be it.

I don't know that it will, though. There are multiple disadvantages to having your head down with your back to the rest of the play. Getting hospitalized shouldn't have to be one of them.

 

[The Stranger]

He's got the puck and Rees hits him is shoulder-to-shoulder from the side.

If the guy bounces off the boards and continues to play without getting hurt is it still a 5 minute major...is it even a penalty?

For me it's a clean play with an unfortunate result.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just to be clear on my prior comments — I don’t like that hit.

It’s just... it wasn’t a hit to the head. Suspending him for having multiple H2H majors is ridiculous when he didn’t actually do it twice.

 

[bleedgreen]

I'm with you 100% on principle.

The problem is that brain damage leading to suicide at 45 isn't a reasonable punishment for turning the wrong way in a hockey game. Back when we just thought it was "Your bell gets rung, maybe you miss a couple games", that's fairly acceptable.

Reinforcing that playing the game wrong and intentionally not protecting yourself doesn’t do anyone any good either. The people who commit suicide after violent careers often have cte, but I’ve seen studies that say normal people have cte too? It’s too early to throw blanket statements like hitting people leads to suicide at an early age from brain damage. I agree the evidence is there that it needs to be studied and understood. I also agree that the intentional bad hits needed to go away. I feel lost of them have, so now the eye is upon anyone who throws a generally clean hit on an unsuspecting player (who should be suspecting).

The guys throwing these hits is being treated like they’re Rico Torres. They’re not. Most of these hits people argue about were good intentioned hits that went wrong. 100% good hit expectations require no hitting. That’s where we are headed anyways.

The player here put himself in a vulnerable position. That needs to be just as bad as the hit. It always was before and it’s the part of old school that needs to carry on. Equal parts trying to lay of vulnerable people and people not letting themselves be vulnerable in the first place. Penalize them both. People will lose their minds in the beginning but if we’re going to outlaw hitting then don’t let people get away with showing their numbers like that. Intentional or not.