Proposal: Proposals Thread: Fix this broken club

[booyakasha]

In 400 less minutes, Yakupov has 13 more hits than Eberle does (that's approximately 30% more hits than Eberle). I like to see that in our top 6, as it's lacking.

both aren't power forwards,...but trying to compare Yak to Eberle to prove toughness?

let's not forget Yakupovs patented, skate over the blue line, Dman looks at him cross, so he jumps back and pokes the puck forward...
you can show me stats on hits, but really, Yakupov is, in the truest sense, a F@#ing P****.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Myers has shown defensive improvements in the last while, that's true.

However, considering his cap hit and price to acquire him, we shouldn't be going near him. He's a project, we need established D.

Also when the term "buy low" is thrown out there, I'm confused to see 1st in 2014, Eberle or Yak in the proposal. How is that buying low?

 

[Sloth Slothersons*]

Some people want to keep all 4 forwards? Somebody's gotta go..

 

[Raab]

Some people want to keep all 4 forwards? Somebody's gotta go..

I'd be interested to see what people believe we can get for each forward? For me this is how it breaks down.

Hall - Top pairing established D man, or a guy who looks to be Top pairing guy and not established yet(Think Bogosian, Myers, Josi Etc...) and top 6 forward
RNH- Same as Hall
Eberle-1 dimensional top pairing dman, guys like Yandle, Shattenkirk, etc...
Yakupov-Dunno very risky trade for both sides, I'll say a top 4 dman.
Gagner-Cap dump and pick prospect right now

 

[Mr Positive]

Myers has shown defensive improvements in the last while, that's true.

However, considering his cap hit and price to acquire him, we shouldn't be going near him. He's a project, we need established D.

Also when the term "buy low" is thrown out there, I'm confused to see 1st in 2014, Eberle or Yak in the proposal. How is that buying low?

It's buying low because if Myers reaches his potential as a 1D then we could offer all three of those pieces and not get him. Most are suggesting trading just one of those three pieces right now, and then maybe one or two lesser pieces.

Buffalo is a good target too because they are one of the few teams that actually wants wingers. They will likely draft Reinhart or some other center. So, they will be set at center. In order to make those centers do well, they will need good wingers to help them develop properly.

In goal, they will likely go the UFA route. There are many options there. At D, they have Ristoleinen and Pysyk and other D prospects along with McBain and Erhoff.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

in the crazy draft game in the mock thread we traded 2nd overall for winnipegs 9th and Bogosian...ekblad was taken.

 

[Raab]

in the crazy draft game in the mock thread we traded 2nd overall for winnipegs 9th and Bogosian...ekblad was taken.

I'd make that trade then flip the 9th for something hopefully. Dunno if Winnipeg would though...

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Given the ineptitude of the Oilers D, don't you think bringing a guy aboard who's hardly proven doesn't help that in the slightest?

 

[FireMacT]

Some people want to keep all 4 forwards? Somebody's gotta go..

pretty much. There aren't many dumb GMs out there anymore, you have to give up something good to get back something good. Packages centered around Gagner/Arco/Larsen/etc just aren't enough to get it done.

 

[booyakasha]

pretty much. There aren't many dumb GMs out there anymore, you have to give up something good to get back something good. Packages centered around Gagner/Arco/Larsen/etc just aren't enough to get it done.

but the ones that are...really are a piece of work for sure.

I don't want to kick the Canucks while they're down, but holy balls, Gillis....that takes quite an effort to do to Vancouver what you have done.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

but the ones that are...really are a piece of work for sure.

I don't want to kick the Canucks while they're down, but holy balls, Gillis....that takes quite an effort to do to Vancouver what you have done.

Hodgson -> Kassian
Schnieder -> Horvat
Luongo -> Mattias/Markstrom

Very Millbury-esque.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Improbabilities

Sign Markov 3 x 7.5
Draft Reinhart (assuming Buff takes Ekblad)
Sign Moulson, Winnik, Arco

Moulson - Nuge - Yak/Ebs
Hall - Rein - Ebs / Yak
Arco - Gordon - Winnik
Joensuu - Hend - Pitlick
Gazdic

Markov - Schultz
Marincin - Petry
Ference - Fedun


Incrementalish. Free agency sucks and we aren't getting rid of the kids any time soon.

 

[Paralyzer008]

It's buying low because if Myers reaches his potential as a 1D then we could offer all three of those pieces and not get him. Most are suggesting trading just one of those three pieces right now, and then maybe one or two lesser pieces.

Buffalo is a good target too because they are one of the few teams that actually wants wingers. They will likely draft Reinhart or some other center. So, they will be set at center. In order to make those centers do well, they will need good wingers to help them develop properly.

In goal, they will likely go the UFA route. There are many options there. At D, they have Ristoleinen and Pysyk and other D prospects along with McBain and Erhoff.

Or we could just use one of those three pieces to get a D-man we know is going to help us? Instead of something that could totally backfire....

I'd target teams that have surpluses of D who could move one. Buffalo isn't great, mainly because Ehrhoff probably wouldn't waive for us, Myers is a project, and everyone else is a prospect D-man.

Now, not many teams have surplus D, and we know this because Edmonton hasn't been rumored to be on a D-man since Coburn. Our best bet is probably the Coyotes, Canucks or Jets.

All are in-conference, so that sucks. If I look at the Canucks, I'm targeting Alex Edler. If I look at the Coyotes, I'm targeting Yandle, although they may want a D-man back for the present until Gormley can definitely step in. If I look at the Jets, who have some overrated D-men (Bogosian and Stuart), I'm looking at Byfuglien (who I'd also have interest in as a forward), Enstrom or Trouba.

 

[Valic]

Improbabilities

Sign Markov 3 x 7.5
Draft Reinhart (assuming Buff takes Ekblad)
Sign Moulson, Winnik, Arco

Moulson - Nuge - Yak/Ebs
Hall - Rein - Ebs / Yak
Arco - Gordon - Winnik
Joensuu - Hend - Pitlick
Gazdic

Markov - Schultz
Marincin - Petry
Ference - Fedun


Incrementalish. Free agency sucks and we aren't getting rid of the kids any time soon.

You want to draft Draisaitl all you'd do by drafting Reinhart is continue the problem of soft small or slight forwards if your going C. Bennett maybe.

 

[Mr Positive]

Or we could just use one of those three pieces to get a D-man we know is going to help us? Instead of something that could totally backfire....

I'd target teams that have surpluses of D who could move one. Buffalo isn't great, mainly because Ehrhoff probably wouldn't waive for us, Myers is a project, and everyone else is a prospect D-man.

Now, not many teams have surplus D, and we know this because Edmonton hasn't been rumored to be on a D-man since Coburn. Our best bet is probably the Coyotes, Canucks or Jets.

All are in-conference, so that sucks. If I look at the Canucks, I'm targeting Alex Edler. If I look at the Coyotes, I'm targeting Yandle, although they may want a D-man back for the present until Gormley can definitely step in. If I look at the Jets, who have some overrated D-men (Bogosian and Stuart), I'm looking at Byfuglien (who I'd also have interest in as a forward), Enstrom or Trouba.

Targeting D like that is tricky. The one there I would say is a good target is Yandle. I agree we would need to send a D back their way. Not sure who.

Edler, Bogo, and Byfuglien have NTCs. They are tradeable, but not to us. Stuart solves nothing for us. The Jets won't trade Trouba.

Phoenix and Winnipeg are winning teams with little initiative to make a major move.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

You want to draft Draisaitl all you'd do by drafting Reinhart is continue the problem of soft small or slight forwards if your going C. Bennett maybe.

It's probably not an issue that is solved through drafting and Draisaitl has more looming issues around him than Reinhart. Very few players drafted come in as some sort of physical force immediately.

 

[KlimasLoveChild]

1st trade:Way too much for Bogosian. The guy is way over rated around here.
2nd trade: Way too soon to give up on Rnh. I look at the return and think we **** the bed for a whole season for Josi and Wilson....really... terrible
3rd trade: What ever. I'm sick of watching Gagner wander around in his own zone looking for a leg to hump. Could care less.


The signing of Stastny to 8.5 per......View attachment 71413..... he isn't worth what he makes now... throwing that kind of money at him is Drury and Gomez to NYR bad.... I'd give him what he is making now at the most.


We need to keep rhn... Draft Ekblad or one of Bennett or Reinhart if these guys aren't available consider trading that pick. Use Gagner, Eberle, Petry, Yak.... as trade bait in that order.

Here's what I'd do this summer. I wouldn't be liked in Oil Country but I think fans would forget about it once the team started winning.

Trades:

To Win: Schultz, Klefbom, Condtional 2015 1st(Not top 10 or Edmonton can delay until 2016) for Bogosian
To Nashville: RNH for Josi+Wilson
To LA: Gagner for Clifford+Vey

Sign Statsny 8.5M for 5 years
Resign Petry 3 years 3.5M
Sign Greene 3 years 2.5M
Sign Kostka 1 year .75M

Hall(6)-Statsny(8.5)-Yakupov(3.75)
Wilson(2)-Reinhart/Bennett(3.75)-Eberle(6)
Clifford(1)-Gordon(3)-Perron(4)
Gazdic(.635)-Hendricks(1.8)-Pitlick(.9)
Smyth(1)

Forward Total: 42.335

Josi(4)-Bogosian(5.142)
Marincin(.73)-Petry(3.5M)
Ference(3.25)-Greene(2.5)
Kostka(.75)

Defence Total:19.872

Scrivens(2.3)
Fasth(2.9)

Goaltending: 5.2

Total: 67.407M

 

[ManofSteel55]

What would guys think of picking up niskanen in the off season?

I'd sign Niskanen AND Mark Fayne

Petry - Niskanen
Schultz - Fayne
Ference - Marincin

Give Nurse another year in junior, Klefbom another in OKC, and if we get Eklbad, him another year in junior as well. If we can't trade any of our regulars for a 2nd line center that is.

 

[Groucho]

both aren't power forwards,...but trying to compare Yak to Eberle to prove toughness?

let's not forget Yakupovs patented, skate over the blue line, Dman looks at him cross, so he jumps back and pokes the puck forward...
you can show me stats on hits, but really, Yakupov is, in the truest sense, a F@#ing P****.

How about this:

Tonight, when the Oilers are playing, count how many times Eberle does his patented fly-by forecheck.

I'll count Yakupovs, then we'll compare notes.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

You want to draft Draisaitl all you'd do by drafting Reinhart is continue the problem of soft small or slight forwards if your going C. Bennett maybe.

How big are Krejci and Bergeron, how big are Zetterburg and Datsyuk, to look even further back how about Sakic and Forsberg we can be successful with Nuge and Reinhart down the middle. Size is way overvalued and should never trump actual ability to play the game, what we have too much of is soft skilled one dimensional players, that is not what Reinhart is or what he will develop into. Also Reinhart isn't that slight by the time camp roles around next year Reinhart would be 6'1 and likely a little north of 185lbs if he hits the weight room at all.

I'm not totally against Draisatl he has a big frame and he is quite skilled and I like how active he is with his stick, but I don't see him being on the same level as Reinhart, Reinhart is always directly involved in the play and makes a ton happen out there, he's one of those players that is just a puck magnet, he always in position to contribute to the play and has the innate instinct to be in the right place at the right time. Draisatl despite his size plays the game a lot more passively and is more of an observer than is Reinhart.

 

[McGhostbuster]

People that suggest we trade for Myers should be sent off on an ice float. Never mind fading basically each year since his rookie year, playing defense in the East and playing defense in the West are two drastically different things.

You would rather keep Eberle? Or what would you trade him for?

I would have agreed with you last year. But I have caught Myers a few times this season.

If he's on the market he would be a great guy to add. His breakout abilities trump anything we have right now. He plays the gap well. He can play physical if need be.

At the expense of Eberle our softest top 6 forward, it makes it a easy.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

How about this:

Tonight, when the Oilers are playing, count how many times Eberle does his patented fly-by forecheck.

I'll count Yakupovs, then we'll compare notes.

I like Eberle and what he brings, but calling Yak a ***** is ridiculous. He has more fight and jam to his game than Hall-RNH-Eberle combined.

Though Nuge has shown some feistiness lately. I like.

 

[McOilbleeder]

Josh Rimer ‏@JoshRimerHockey 55m
And from what I'm hearing there will b a fire sale in Vancouver at the draft. Kesler, Edler, Bieksa must go. What does that mean for Sedins?


I go VERY hard after Edler. I know we'd pay more because we're in their 'division', but he'd fit in here so well. We could actually have a weaker opponent next season in terms of Van though, if their firesale goes for picks/prospects.

 

[McGhostbuster]

Josh Rimer ‏@JoshRimerHockey 55m
And from what I'm hearing there will b a fire sale in Vancouver at the draft. Kesler, Edler, Bieksa must go. What does that mean for Sedins?


I go VERY hard after Edler. I know we'd pay more because we're in their 'division', but he'd fit in here so well. We could actually have a weaker opponent next season in terms of Van though, if their firesale goes for picks/prospects.

Well what would you pay?

I'd go as far as Gagner+prospect+pick. Maybe Petry+2nd.

 

[McOilbleeder]

Well what would you pay?

I'd go as far as Gagner+prospect+pick. Maybe Petry+2nd.

I'm assuming its prospect/draft pick based. They could have interest in Gagner too.

Gagner + Klefbom + pick.

And I hope we do go hard for him. A guy who's 27, has shown top-pairing ability for the last couple of years in a puck possession system, and under a new coach has a down year. He's signed for a while, and has all the tools to flourish with some of our guys. Buy low on a guy who, imo, is a VERY good bet to rebound.

Especially if the Bruins were getting him for Matt Bartkowski + Spooner/Koko + pick iirc at the TDD.