Proposal: Proposals Thread: Fix this broken club

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I'm not saying RNH is bad, I'm saying that he's our best trading chip. Would you guys not agree that RNH is comparable to Reinhart or Bennett? If we draft one it's arguable that RNH becomes movable because Reinhart or Bennett will be able to replace what he brings to the team. In saying that I'd prefer to move the 1st before moving RNH, but I'm trying to be realistic as no team is going to give up a top pairing d man under 25 for a pick.

Also on Josi, he's playing 26 minutes a night in Nashville, facing slightly tougher competition then Weber and has a better Corsi then Weber. He's 23 turning 24 and is signed until 2020 on a 4M deal. Basically he's extremely valuable and I think you'd find a lot of Nashville fans dissapointed with a RNH for Josi+ deal.

Yeah, lets trade our current #1 center because the kid we take might end up becoming a #1 center. If we draft Reinhart and Bennett it means we can get rid of Gagner, not RNH. I sure as hell hope you don't two 18/19 year olds can jump in and have success as a 1C while "sheltered" by Sam Gagner. Also basically every Nashville fan out there would trade anyone except Weber or Jones for RNH, the 1C their franchise has never had.

 

[Philly85*]

Hall has shown plenty of times this year why he wasn't named Captain...

I have no idea why people would think he's a good choice for Captain, honest.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I'm not sure if your actually being serious here. Reinhart is at 1.75 PPG in the Dub, while RNH had 1.5 PPG. Reinhart made Team Canada as a 17 year old and played important minutes, RNH didn't even make the team. Reinhart is already 6'1" 185 lbs and doesn't weight train, RNH is 6'1" and 185 lbs after trying to gain weight.

Bennett is closer but is bigger and more physical then RNH ever was in junior. Also Bennett has a better wrist shot then RNH which is saying something because his is good. And like RNH he was relatively unknown at the start of the year and has kept getting more attention as the year has gone on. Should be interesting to see what he does going forward.

And no Ekblad isn't the clear #1 in this draft, I think #1 is between Reinhart and Bennett, could easily see Ekblad sliding to 3rd depending on how the draft order ends up. And if Guy Flaming said Bennett wouldn't be a top 10 pick in next years draft he's never seen the kid play. He'd easily be in a discussion with the big 8 from next year most likely top 5 along with Reinhart, Ekblad going from 6-10 I'd agree with.

Sam Reinhart was born on November 5, 1995. He was 18 when he made the World Junior team. At the same age, RNH was ppg in the NHL for ~30 games. Also, Reinhart's 17 year old season and 2nd year in the WHL was last season, which is what you should be comparing to RNH's 17 year old 2nd year season. He had 85 points and a much lower ppg than RNH. It also helps if you actually watch the players. RNH was far more creative and flexible offensively than Reinhart in junior, who plays a simpler albeit grittier game, but requires strong linemates to get good production. But then again I wouldn't trust your judgement even if you watched them considering you came to the conclusion that Ryan Pulock is a better all-round player than Darnell Nurse.

 

[Raab]

Nothing I have ever read from you has given me any reason to consider your opinion to be in higher regard than Corey Pronman, Guy Flaming, or any of the multitude of scouts and pundits whose job is to succesfully scout and prognosticate junior hockey players.

I'm sure ISS has it wrong to then... I've been right on a lot of players. Been wrong on a lot to. Some guys you think are making progress stagnate and don't get better, other guys seem to become better then you thought they were.

 

[Raab]

Sam Reinhart was born on November 5, 1995. He was 18 when he made the World Junior team. At the same age, RNH was ppg in the NHL for ~30 games. Also, Reinhart's 17 year old season and 2nd year in the WHL was last season, which is what you should be comparing to RNH's 17 year old 2nd year season. He had 85 points and a much lower ppg than RNH. It also helps if you actually watch the players. RNH was far more creative and flexible offensively than Reinhart in junior, who plays a simpler albeit grittier game, but requires strong linemates to get good production. But then again I wouldn't trust your judgement even if you watched them considering you came to the conclusion that Ryan Pulock is a better all-round player than Darnell Nurse.

Haha when did I say Pulock is better all around defender then Nurse? I think Pulock will be the better of the two but thats because I think Nurse is severely overrated much like Klefbom was. And how about we compare draft years since its not Reinharts fault he was born earlier in his draft year then RNH.

 

[molsonmuscle360]

Whether or not Ference is shipped out, one similarity in rebuilding along the Chicago, Pittsburg or most other models is that they name their young, up and coming leader (Hall) as captain early. This instills the fact that it is HIS team, and the young people HAVE to take the lead if it is going to work. At the very least we will know what we have.

I'm not saying we have a Crosby or Teows here, but the future leaders have to lead.

They have to lead when they are ready to take on the mantle of leaders. Hall being out and about around town every night after games shows that he is definitely not ready for that responsibility. Our team benches the guys that stay home after games if they are playing bad, but the guys that go out and party seem to suffer no repercussions for any of their play.

A guy like Ferrence is perfect to show Hall and co. how a captain should conduct himself in his city. You should be better known by the school teachers and charity organizers then you are by the local bar sloots.

 

[McGhostbuster]

Draft Ekblad
Eberle for Myers
Gagner+Petry+2nd for Schenns
Sign Vrbata
Sign Nikitin

Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Perron-Schenn-Vrbata
Hendricks-Gordon-Joensuu
Smyth-Lander-Gazdic

Ference-Myers
Marincin-Nikitin
J. Schultz-Schenn

Was too lazy to look at re-tooling the 3rd/4th line.

 

[Up the Irons]

2nd tier bandaids won't help this team, tambo tired it, mact has tried it. We have two choices, trade at least one or more of our top players to get some top players back in areas of need or sit on our ***** and get our heads beat in for another 4 years until we hope that some of our D prospects end up being really good.

All indications are its going to be the 2nd choice, oh the oilers will try and do the usual, fill holes with bargian players they have to over pay for but it will fail as usual.

bang on. bang a gong.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I have no idea why people would think he's a good choice for Captain, honest.

Because he's our best player, I guess? People need to stop subscribing to the notion that the best player must be captain. Dustin Brown is not LA's best player and he seems to do just fine.

 

[Up the Irons]

Draft Ekblad
Eberle for Myers
Gagner+Petry+2nd for Schenns
Sign Vrbata
Sign Nikitin

Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Perron-Schenn-Vrbata
Hendricks-Gordon-Joensuu
Smyth-Lander-Gazdic

Ference-Myers
Marincin-Nikitin
J. Schultz-Schenn

Was too lazy to look at re-tooling the 3rd/4th line.

not bad. I think Mact and Lowe think Eberle is a superstar that, under no realistic circumstances, will be even considered tradeable.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

People that suggest we trade for Myers should be sent off on an ice float. Never mind fading basically each year since his rookie year, playing defense in the East and playing defense in the West are two drastically different things.

 

[booyakasha]

yakupov for myers.

 

[SometimesY]

Trade Eberle for defense. Remove Buchy and Smith from the bench and don't put them in management.

 

[n7]

yakupov for myers.

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat, but I don't see Buffalo considering that adequate return. More likely would need Eberle, which is a good idea since he's one of the laziest players on this team.

 

[SometimesY]

People that suggest we trade for Myers should be sent off on an ice float. Never mind fading basically each year since his rookie year, playing defense in the East and playing defense in the West are two drastically different things.

yakupov for myers.

I don't want Myers either.

 

[booyakasha]

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat, but I don't see Buffalo considering that adequate return. More likely would need Eberle, which is a good idea since he's one of the laziest players on this team.

I was posting that in jest to Greatkeith's post above mine....


but you're correct, obviously Edmonton would have to offer more than just yakupov for myers...

 

[McDrai]

I'd rather trade Eberle than Yak tbh

 

[booyakasha]

I'd rather trade Eberle than Yak tbh

Eberle would have more value in a trade for sure, but then we'd be stuck with yak as our only option for the #1 RW spot.

 

[McDraekke]

Eberle would have more value in a trade for sure, but then we'd be stuck with yak as our only option for the #1 RW spot.

Pretty sure he meant that he'd rather have Yakupov in the 1RW spot...

And in all honesty, I agree. I think in a couple of years Yakupov will be meaningfully outproducing Eberle. Plus he has the drive that Eberle lacks, and when he's on his game, he hits and forechecks.

But the fact that Eberle has more value right now only helps the arguments to move him instead of Yak.

 

[booyakasha]

Pretty sure he meant that he'd rather have Yakupov in the 1RW spot...

And in all honesty, I agree. I think in a couple of years Yakupov will be meaningfully outproducing Eberle. Plus he has the drive that Eberle lacks, and when he's on his game, he hits and forechecks.

But the fact that Eberle has more value right now only helps the arguments to move him instead of Yak.

no he doesn't....and he bails on plays A LOT, at even the thought he might get hit.

I can understand keeping yakupov at the thought he might score some goals, but for all the reasons fans are using to get rid of Eberle, ...yak is all that amplified.

 

[Mr Positive]

People that suggest we trade for Myers should be sent off on an ice float. Never mind fading basically each year since his rookie year, playing defense in the East and playing defense in the West are two drastically different things.

Myers is appealing because he might be available. It would be buying low, which is always a risk. I'm sure if we could we would go back in time and increase our offer for Johansen, but of course now he is totally untouchable. A couple of seasons ago he was abysmal.

Being in the East is a two-way street too. Myers' size might make him a better defender in the west, where there is more of a simpler, grittier game. The east plays a looser brand of hockey, and they have more dynamic offensive players than the west does.

It's also hard to gauge Myers while he is on a such a bad team.

 

[McDraekke]

no he doesn't....and he bails on plays A LOT, at even the thought he might get hit.

I can understand keeping yakupov at the thought he might score some goals, but for all the reasons fans are using to get rid of Eberle, ...yak is all that amplified.

If you don't see Yakupov hitting when he is having a good game, then you are not paying attention. I'm not saying that they are bone-crunching hits, but at least he tries to be physical, as compared to Eberle.

And maybe forechecking wasn't the best thing to bring up, cause he's not that good at it. But when he's on his game (albeit that is not consistent), then he tries.

The only reason why I think we should trade Eberle is because we need to get some help on D or this team, and I understand that we will need to give to get at some point. If I had the choice, I'd keep both, keep Hall, keep RNH.

 

[Raab]

no he doesn't....and he bails on plays A LOT, at even the thought he might get hit.

I can understand keeping yakupov at the thought he might score some goals, but for all the reasons fans are using to get rid of Eberle, ...yak is all that amplified.

The problem with both of them is no ones going to give up a top pairing d man under 25 for a dime a dozen winger. Look at what guys like Gaborik, Vanek, and Moulson returned at the deadline. You think teams put a high value on these wingers, think again. Maybe once Yakupov is scoring 40 or if Eberle returns to his PPG self, other then that these guys won't get us the return we want IMO.

 

[McDraekke]

In 400 less minutes, Yakupov has 13 more hits than Eberle does (that's approximately 30% more hits than Eberle). I like to see that in our top 6, as it's lacking.

Edit: Yakupov gets a hit every 14 mins (not exactly inspiring I know), but Eberle is double that time, 1 hit every 28 mins.

 

[booyakasha]

If you don't see Yakupov hitting when he is having a good game, then you are not paying attention. I'm not saying that they are bone-crunching hits, but at least he tries to be physical, as compared to Eberle.

And maybe forechecking wasn't the best thing to bring up, cause he's not that good at it. But when he's on his game (albeit that is not consistent), then he tries.

The only reason why I think we should trade Eberle is because we need to get some help on D or this team, and I understand that we will need to give to get at some point. If I had the choice, I'd keep both, keep Hall, keep RNH.

100% agree.