Prospect Info: Prokhor Poltapov, F (33rd overall, 2021) CSKA Moskva (KHL)

[Der Jaeger]

Waste of essentially a first round pick.

4 years is way too long not to see a 33rd overall pick.

Not good for Adams

No it's not. Let the kid develop. It's no different than if Adams picked a kid in the NCAA and he stayed 4 years. Or, what Olofsson did in the SHL. He turned out great.

The kid plays a power forward game, but he doesn't have a power forward body. Let him stay in Russia and get bigger.

 

[Fjordy]

Waste of essentially a first round pick.

4 years is way too long not to see a 33rd overall pick.

Not good for Adams

Kaprizov say hello. Adams works long term future. In any case, if Poltapov develops correctly and is good in 2-3 years, he will come to Buffalo in four year.

 

[BloFan4Life]

No it's not. Let the kid develop. It's no different than if Adams picked a kid in the NCAA and he stayed 4 years. Or, what Olofsson did in the SHL. He turned out great.

The kid plays a power forward game, but he doesn't have a power forward body. Let him stay in Russia and get bigger.

How many first rounders stay 4 years in NCAA?

Wasn't Olofsson like a 7th round pick?

Managing your top picks is what makes teams great. These late round flyers are found money to hit on.

 

[Jim Bob]

How many first rounders stay 4 years in NCAA?

Non-busts?

It is pretty rare that a 1st round pick that turns into an NHLer stays 4 years right now.

 

[BloFan4Life]

Kaprizov say hello. Adams works long term future. In any case, if Poltapov develops correctly and is good in 2-3 years, he will come to Buffalo in four year.

Kaprizov was the 135th overall pick, not the 33rd. There are zero issues waiting on a pick that late for that long.

To not get your hands on a top prospect for 4 years, is not how a GM would want to run a team. He won't be here in 5 years to even see these players.

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It will be essentially 5 seasons before we even see him in NA, if he doesn't re-sign in the next 4 years.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Kaprizov was the 135th overall pick, not the 33rd. There are zero issues waiting on a pick that late for that long.

To not get your hands on a top prospect for 4 years, is not how a GM would want to run a team. He won't be here in 5 years to even see these players.

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It will be essentially 5 seasons before we even see him in NA, if he doesn't re-sign in the next 4 years.

Kaprizov fell that far because he said he wasn’t coming over. Regardless, Poltapov will be 22 when he comes over. That’d be when he’d start playing in the NHL, anyway.

Regardless, he can buy out his contract before that if he wants to come over earlier.

 

[Fjordy]

Kaprizov was the 135th overall pick, not the 33rd. There are zero issues waiting on a pick that late for that long.

To not get your hands on a top prospect for 4 years, is not how a GM would want to run a team. He won't be here in 5 years to even see these players.

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2022-23
2023-24
2024-25

It will be essentially 5 seasons before we even see him in NA, if he doesn't re-sign in the next 4 years.

Well, I just disagree with you, however, as usual, you have a strange look at everything.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Sorta disappointing (was frankly hoping he'd come to Roch next season) but whatever is best for his development. He'll still only be 22 so it's not a huge deal. Sabres could theoretically buy out his contract if they want to a year or two early.

I imagine this means he wants to avoid the AHL altogether, which I imagine after 4 years in the KHL won't be a problem.

But this reinforces my view that a lack of a transfer agreement makes drafting Russians less than ideal.

 

[tsujimoto74]

That's a pretty long time to wait for that high a pick.

 

[Fjordy]

Sorta disappointing (was frankly hoping he'd come to Roch next season) but whatever is best for his development. He'll still only be 22 so it's not a huge deal. Sabres could theoretically buy out his contract if they want to a year or two early.

I imagine this means he wants to avoid the AHL altogether, which I imagine after 4 years in the KHL won't be a problem.

But this reinforces my view that a lack of a transfer agreement makes drafting Russians less than ideal.

He doesn't need the AHL, that would be a mistake. At least in Russia, he can develop in the VHL, get a call in the KHL, or even play in the MHL.

The choice of the Russians is not a mistake, with the current situation in the KHL any Russian will come to the NHL if he is good. It is a mistake to limit your draft picks to nationality.

 

[Fjordy]

That's a pretty long time to wait for that high a pick.

If he is very good in 2-3 years they can buy out his contract and he will come to Buffalo.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

He doesn't need the AHL, that would be a mistake. At least in Russia, he can develop in the VHL, get a call in the KHL, or even play in the MHL.

The choice of the Russians is not a mistake, with the current situation in the KHL any Russian will come to the NHL if he is good. It is a mistake to limit your draft picks to nationality.

Most international players benefit from a year in the AHL to transition to the North American game, regardless of their background.

 

[Fjordy]

Most international players benefit from a year in the AHL to transition to the North American game, regardless of their background.

What if he's not ready? The majority of Russians are developing normally in Russia, I do not see this as a problem. There is also a system between the KHL, VHL and MHL, it will be much easier for him to develop in Russia than in North America, where everything is different, there are no acquaintances and no Russians.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Sorta disappointing (was frankly hoping he'd come to Roch next season) but whatever is best for his development. He'll still only be 22 so it's not a huge deal. Sabres could theoretically buy out his contract if they want to a year or two early.

I imagine this means he wants to avoid the AHL altogether, which I imagine after 4 years in the KHL won't be a problem.

But this reinforces my view that a lack of a transfer agreement makes drafting Russians less than ideal.

The Sabres cannot buy out his contract. The player has to do that.

Unofficially, the Sabres would be doing it, but officially, he has to cut the team a cheque for each year he’d buy out. And he’d have to do it before he can sign with the Sabres.

 

[Der Jaeger]

How many first rounders stay 4 years in NCAA?

Wasn't Olofsson like a 7th round pick?

Managing your top picks is what makes teams great. These late round flyers are found money to hit on.

Nope. Developing your top picks is what makes teams great.

But let’s continue to rush kids through the pipeline. That’s worked so well the past decade.

 

[BloFan4Life]

Nope. Developing your top picks is what makes teams great.

But let’s continue to rush kids through the pipeline. That’s worked so well the past decade.

Managing the picks at the draft. Like, hockey has so many avenues from where players come from, managing where you pick players to get the most out of them all after you draft them, is huge.

How can we rush him through the pipeline if we ain't going to see him for 5 years? There is a good chance he never comes over, after staying that long. The quicker you get these Russians into NA, the better.

 

[Fjordy]

Managing the picks at the draft. Like, hockey has so many avenues from where players come from, managing where you pick players to get the most out of them all after you draft them, is huge.

How can we rush him through the pipeline if we ain't going to see him for 5 years? There is a good chance he never comes over, after staying that long. The quicker you get these Russians into NA, the better.

What five years? If he on fire the KHL in two years, he can come to Buffalo by buying out his contract.

 

[joshjull]

Then —-> Why won’t we draft Russians? It such bullshit passing up that talent.

Now ——-> Why did we draft that damn Russian? He wont be here for years! Need to be smarter with our drafting

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Then —-> Why won’t we draft Russians? It such bullshit passing up that talent.

Now ——-> Why did we draft that damn Russian? He wont be here for years! Need to be smarter with our drafting

Next week —-> We should trade all of our Russians while they still have value! And we should avoid drafting anybody with Russian heritage

 

[Zach716]

Haven't watched a single game so I have no idea how he's looked or his usage but he has 0 points in 7 games. Is he not getting enough icetime?

 

[Fjordy]

Then —-> Why won’t we draft Russians? It such bullshit passing up that talent.

Now ——-> Why did we draft that damn Russian? He wont be here for years! Need to be smarter with our drafting

We shouldn't take guys who are going to college, they won't sign up here.


It's just such nonsense.

Canes
Preds
Vegas
Leafs
Stars
Jets
Coyotes
Kings
Habs
Panthers
Sharks
Jackets (JARMO)

And many others draft Russian players, and not one at a time, why the hell should we not do that?

 

[Jim Bob]

Then —-> Why won’t we draft Russians? It such bullshit passing up that talent.

Now ——-> Why did we draft that damn Russian? He wont be here for years! Need to be smarter with our drafting

It's the same thing when they draft an NCAA player...

It's unprocessed trauma spilling out all over the place.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Haven't watched a single game so I have no idea how he's looked or his usage but he has 0 points in 7 games. Is he not getting enough icetime?

Basically a 4th liner. But he’s actually playing in the KHL, so the title is a bit inaccurate (although I assume it’s the team he was drafted from).

 

[Zman5778]

Managing the picks at the draft. Like, hockey has so many avenues from where players come from, managing where you pick players to get the most out of them all after you draft them, is huge.

How can we rush him through the pipeline if we ain't going to see him for 5 years? There is a good chance he never comes over, after staying that long. The quicker you get these Russians into NA, the better.

Or, he takes the path that many Russians have taken lately -- spend a few years in the KHL and then come immediately into the NHL. He's going to be 22/23 when his contract expires. That's not a problem at all.....and possibly having someone that's going to contribute on an ELC could come in VERY handy when we need him

 

[Fjordy]

Haven't watched a single game so I have no idea how he's looked or his usage but he has 0 points in 7 games. Is he not getting enough icetime?

He looked fine, but CSKA has a general manager instead of a coach (most likely he will be fired in the near future), it is probably too early for him to play in the KHL, especially with such a coach. He has 6 points in 9 games in the VHL, which is good. It's better to play more in the VHL this season.