Proposal: Price for Vlasic

[Junohockeyfan]

buying out Vlasic costs less than buying out Price

Why are Habs buying out Price? Makes zero sense. We aren’t spending that cap

 

[amnesiac]

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[amnesiac]

Why are Habs buying out Price? Makes zero sense. We aren’t spending that cap

there are 10.5 million (x5) reasons why during a rebuild , but they wont because it would still be expensive

 

[malcb33]

What assets at 40%? Even at 50%, it’s very questionable and, at the very least, you’ll likely be taking back bad contracts to make the salaries work.

This is HF hivemind at its finest IMO.

Price at 6.3M is a positive asset. I'm not saying Montreal would get a top prospect back, but saying they would have to take a bad contract as well as retention is silly. Sure, they might have to take money back, but a bad contract wouldn't be worth the effort.

Of course, any trade would depend on Price's desire to move and then the market for goalies. So this scenario is pointless right now.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

there are 10.5 million (x5) reasons why during a rebuild , but they wont because it would still be expensive

They won’t because there is no need!

 

[amnesiac]

They won’t because there is no need!

Why is god's name would the Habs want to keep a goalie whos declining at $10.5M for 5 more years when theyre clearly rebuilding? Why? Makes ZERO sense.

you cant have these contracts when youre trying to rebuild.... unfortunately Bergevin gave one to Gallagher too. Petry, Toffoli, Hoffman not AS bad, but still would be worth moving att his point.

But Im not even saying they should buyout Price, Im saying buyout Vlasic.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Why is god's name would the Habs want to keep a goalie whos declining at $10.5M for 5 more years when theyre clearly rebuilding? Why? Makes ZERO sense.

you cant have these contracts when youre trying to rebuild.... unfortunately Bergevin gave one to Gallagher too. Petry, Toffoli, Hoffman not AS bad, but still would be worth moving att his point.

But Im not even saying they should buyout Price, Im saying buyout Vlasic.

Where is he declining? He took an inferior tram to the cup!

why does his cap hit matter for a rebuilding team?? It doesn’t. He’s a marketable player that the Habs have no reason buying out and is a star starter.

Price is ideal for mentoring Cayden Primeau!

Vlasic is useless. Price is useful!

 

[amnesiac]

Where is he declining? He took an inferior tram to the cup!

why does his cap hit matter for a rebuilding team?? It doesn’t. He’s a marketable player that the Habs have no reason buying out and is a star starter.

Price is ideal for mentoring Cayden Primeau!

Vlasic is useless. Price is useful!

Useful in what? getting less of a chance at a top pick? This team isnt making the playoffs anytime soon.

Its acutally just as much a favour to Price to be traded out west as it is for Montreal to be rid of a bad contract. Price isnt getting healthier every year and not getting younger, hes obviously going to decline. He had a great run last playoffs after a underwhelming regular season. Hes been up and down since he won the Hart in 2015..... If youre paying $10.5M for a goalie, you better be a playoff team, which they arent.

Yes Vlasic is useless, unless for mentoring purposes also, but hes also a better buyout, as mentioned.

Pick your poison, trade Price at 50%, and pay that out, or buyout Vlasic.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I dont see that way at all, and I dont think many here think its worth keeping Price if he can be shipped out... Its acutally just as much a favour to Price to be traded out west as it is for Montreal to be rid of a bad contract. Price isnt getting healthier every year and not getting younger, hes obviously going to decline. He had a great run last playoffs after a underwhelming regular season. Hes been up and down since he won the Hart. If youre paying $10.5M for a goalie, you best be a playoff team, and now they are clearly not for the next several years.

Yes Vlasic is useless, unless for mentoring purposes also, but hes also a better buyout, as mentioned.

If you intend to buy out Price then you retain and trade for value. What you don’t do is trade for a useless capdump like Vlasic. That’s just idiotic!!

 

[amnesiac]

If you intend to buy out Price then you retain and trade for value. What you don’t do is trade for a useless capdump like Vlasic. That’s just idiotic!!

again, would you rather pay $5.25M for nothing the next 5 years, or trade and buyout Vlasic?

Whatever the case, if youre rebuilding, you dont want to be winning. Price doesnt help that whereas Vlasic does. Much like how Arizona are taking on bad contracts and clearly tanking, while trading away their best players. Same principle.

the main point is to be rid of Price as he does not help a rebuild, and gives him the chance to go out west. Price doesnt want to finish his career on a rebuilding team.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

A hockey puck?

 

[Hunter368]

Both have brutal contracts no team would want. Both are aging, past their primes and highly overpaid. Both contracts are examples of bad GM decisions. Both could be useful still if they were paid significantly less, but that isn’t happening bc both are owed too much money for too long.

 

[General Fanager]

will be more fun for the fanbase to have the likes of Wright and Bedard/Michkov than Price

they are terrible. They will have a chance at those guys with Price or not.

 

[amnesiac]

they are terrible. They will have a chance at those guys with Price or not.

that may be true

 

[Junohockeyfan]

again, would you rather pay $5.25M for nothing the next 5 years, or trade and buyout Vlasic?

Whatever the case, if youre rebuilding, you dont want to be winning. Price doesnt help that whereas Vlasic does. Much like how Arizona are taking on bad contracts and clearly tanking, while trading away their best players. Same principle.

the main point is to be rid of Price as he does not help a rebuild, and gives him the chance to go out west. Price doesnt want to finish his career on a rebuilding team.

I would rather have Price in goal than buyout. Vlasic is not an opt. He’s a useless capdump.

Price is good for Primeau to learn from.

 

[belair]

what? you dont get to keep Price at $5.25M.

Its probably pay nothing at $5.25M for the next 5 years (if you trade Price at 50%), or have Vlasic at $7M and eventually buy him out.

His buyout cost isnt so so bad, Marc-Édouard Vlasic Contract Buyout Details - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

It's not bad logic, but the Vlasic buyout only benefits the Habs in years where they won't be competitive. They don't need the capspace.

It's in Montreal's best interest to get future value for whatever assets they can. Though that list is shrinking as time moves on.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Both for Vlasic , Rather keep Price and roll him on litr in 2 years

 

[Pierre Luc Grand Pierre]

looks to be all over the board... If you're looking for a cheaper price I would say to go with store brand.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

theyre a playoff team right now last I checked, and this is without their best prospect. Granted, they probably wont be contenders soon, but crazier things have happened.

Eklund, Hertl, Meier isnt a bad core for the next 4-5 years.

This is why it's important to look at P%, instead of just point totals. The only reason San Jose is even in the playoff picture right now is because they have played more games than most of the teams in the Western Conference. Their 0.539 P% pace would currently have them finishing 12th in the West, 6 points behind the Jets for the final Wild Card spot. Unless something drastically changes, I'm expecting the Sharks to be sellers this year.

 

[josra33]

you think Price wants to be part of this rebuild and wouldnt want to go out west at this point?

of course we dont WANT Vlasic, but thats what you have to take in order to trade Price WITHOUT salary retained

Why would he go from one rebuild to another?

 

[josra33]

Why is god's name would the Habs want to keep a goalie whos declining at $10.5M for 5 more years when theyre clearly rebuilding? Why? Makes ZERO sense.

you cant have these contracts when youre trying to rebuild.... unfortunately Bergevin gave one to Gallagher too. Petry, Toffoli, Hoffman not AS bad, but still would be worth moving att his point.

But Im not even saying they should buyout Price, Im saying buyout Vlasic.

Any deal involving Price would also take retention… add in buyout from Vlasic, do they gain anything?

 

[ole ole]

I’m more for buying Vlasic out than trading him straight up for Price. Our goaltending has been fine. We’re thin up front due to injuries and COVID and also thin on the left side of defense in terms of quality. We have higher priorities than the net for now.

This trade is bad for both teams.
SJ would be better off buying out Vlasic.
Habs would be better off retaining 50% on Price and getting back assets in the process.

 

[amnesiac]

Any deal involving Price would also take retention… add in buyout from Vlasic, do they gain anything?

well no not if theyre retaining.... point is to be rid of the contract without retention

 

[biturbo19]

I mean, this would certainly help the Sharks situation...but i really don't see what it does for the Habs. Price is still capable of being an Elite goaltender. Why would they swap that for an equally bad (or possibly worse) contract, for a defenceman who is definitely not still capable of being elite? In fairness, this sort of deal probably is the only way you can move that Price contract. But if that's the only way you can do it, what's the actual point? Just hang onto it, and deal with it. Taking on a worse deal doesn't really help them in any appreciable way.

 

[SlyIslands]

I would rather keep Price even if it makes the Habs better