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[RR10*]

His advanced stats don't look that bad compared to the team.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67

Advanced stats can be great but it doesn't always reflect the reality. For example, Berglund is 2nd, while Schwartz and Lehtera are 8th and 9th..

 

[Thallis]

My opinion is that Berglund made the line look bad. With Steen out there, Backes and Oshie would've been just fine.

Your opinion is wrong. Oshie and Backes have been out of sorts all year, giving pucks away, making poor decisions in the offensive zone. Right now, the #1 problem with the lines Berglund has been on is that nobody provides any puck support. He gets the puck and curls to find some space and nobody gets open, finds an lane, or comes in close to make themselves an option. Same thing happens no matter who it is, it's happened a lot to Lindstrom too.

 

[Lord Helix]

Nonsense. Make your pick.

My decision between the 2 doesn't matter, as we have obviously seen that option 2 wasn't available.

Why should I ever have to have a discussion about something that could've never happened. It defies logic.

I can only solve problems that can be addressed in the future. You can't fix the past, so it's useless to labor over it again and again.

 

[RR10*]

Your opinion is wrong. Oshie and Backes have been out of sorts all year, giving pucks away, making poor decisions in the offensive zone. Right now, the #1 problem with the lines Berglund has been on is that nobody provides any puck support. He gets the puck and curls to find some space and nobody gets open, finds an lane, or comes in close to make themselves an option. Same thing happens no matter who it is, it's happened a lot to Lindstrom too.

Do you think Steen - Backes - Oshie would suck as much? Don't think so. Berglund is the main reason that that line has been crap. He's not a good fit there. The line becomes slow, uncreative and a bad possesion line. Sobotka would be a much better fit on that shutdown line.

 

[Lord Helix]

Advanced stats can be great but it doesn't always reflect the reality. For example, Berglund is 2nd, while Schwartz and Lehtera are 8th and 9th..

Or maybe Lehtera is being praised a bit too much for his play with the puck, when he is making something happen offensively, and how he's winning faceoffs. Maybe he's turning the puck over and not getting it back more than we think. Maybe Schwartz is making poor shot selections on entries and too many obvious forces to the slot from down low.

Because I really do believe those things to be true. I've noted some of them as well. Sure, I could be wrong...But my opinion on Schwartz has definitely been found to be true in the stats.

 

[RR10*]

My decision between the 2 doesn't matter, as we have obviously seen that option 2 wasn't available.

Why should I ever have to have a discussion about something that could've never happened. It defies logic.

I can only solve problems that can be addressed in the future. You can't fix the past, so it's useless to labor over it again and again.

You are talking nonsense again. Of course we can have a discussion about something that happened or could've been. Hypothetically.

Looking at how we have played as a team so far I think we would've achieved the same without Berglund and Ott. They are pretty much useless. You could have MPS with Backes and Oshie and Porter over Ott and you would barely see any difference. And we are saving $6,3 mill.

 

[Lord Helix]

You are talking nonsense again. Of course we can have a discussion about something that happened or could've been. Hypothetically.

Looking at how we have played as a team so far I think we would've achieved the same without Berglund and Ott. They are pretty much useless. You could have MPS with Backes and Oshie and Porter over Ott and you would barely see any difference. And we are saving $6,3 mill.

Sure, if you'd like.

 

[RR10*]

Or maybe Lehtera is being praised a bit too much for his play with the puck, when he is making something happen offensively, and how he's winning faceoffs. Maybe he's turning the puck over and not getting it back more than we think. Maybe Schwartz is making poor shot selections on entries and too many obvious forces to the slot from down low.

Because I really do believe those things to be true. I've noted some of them as well. Sure, I could be wrong...But my opinion on Schwartz has definitely been found to be true in the stats.

You can't just look at the stats and point at this and that. It can be a part of someones game and you have to look at the bigger perspective. But of course every player can improve. I'm not saying these advanced stats are bad or anything. But they don't always reflect the reality.

 

[Lord Helix]

You can't just look at the stats and point at this and that. It can be a part of someones game and you have to look at the bigger perspective. But of course every player can improve.

Except Berglund, right?

 

[RR10*]

Except Berglund, right?

I just dont see it in him. Right now he's as dangerous offensively as Ott.

 

[Robb_K]

You can't just look at the stats and point at this and that. It can be a part of someones game and you have to look at the bigger perspective. But of course every player can improve. I'm not saying these advanced stats are bad or anything. But they don't always reflect the reality.

Especially over only a few games, when a team has several key players out, and many of the players weak from illness.

 

[Lord Helix]

Advanced stats can be great but it doesn't always reflect the reality. For example, Berglund is 2nd, while Schwartz and Lehtera are 8th and 9th..

Can we not act like I'm someone who bases their opinion on solely the stats, please?

 

[Thallis]

Do you think Steen - Backes - Oshie would suck as much? Don't think so. Berglund is the main reason that that line has been crap. He's not a good fit there. The line becomes slow, uncreative and a bad possesion line. Sobotka would be a much better fit on that shutdown line.

Yes, and it has. Steen was the only one contributing in the offensive zone on that line. Berglund hasn't been an offensive powerhouse but his all around game (aka what we expect from a third liner) has been more than fine.

 

[OCTA8ON*]

Yes, and it has. Steen was the only one contributing in the offensive zone on that line. Berglund hasn't been an offensive powerhouse but his all around game (aka what we expect from a third liner) has been more than fine.

Out of curiosity, how many games has that line played together this season?

 

[LGB51]

Was busy at work tonight, only got to see bits and pieces of this one, but I did manage to see the STL line score. Someone else besides that line and Steen have got to figure out how to get the puck in the back of the net.

 

[Masta Class]

Hey guys..we aren't supposed to be conspiring with the enemy..

Should be a good game. This should be an excellent test for the Preds.

Blame shmotz for the loss, he was conspiring with the enemy

good game though fellas, could of went either way. the lack of finish is something we're used to over on the preds board as well. I expect to you guys to get your revenge on thursday.

 

[Hooliganx3]

He actually fell a bit in that draft too. He was expected to go to 4-8.

I remember that draft. I was pretty high on him he had a lot of hype. He seemed to have all the physical tools to be a good top 6 NHLer.

 

[LGB51]

I see some things never change, we just won 7 games in a row, lose 1 close game (granted they played like crap, and deserved to lose, but you had to know a letdown game was coming at some point) and the board has a mini meltdown lol. I didn't have a good feeling about the tonight's game all day, glad to see Frank kept his point streak alive though.

I mean how many of us here on The Blues board stated we didn't care how many games they won this season, or if we won the President's trophy. We just wanted them to make the playoffs, with gas left in the tank for a extra gear, and relatively injury free. But one bad game played for one lose, and players (really one in particular) are getting thrown under the bus, and trade demands sporadically pop up. They can't win them all, and the majority of us here said we didn't want them going all out every game (playoff style.) So how about lets everybody just take a deep breath.

 

[LGB51]

By the way, who do you guys think gets the start against Buffalo Allen or Elliot?

Personally I've thought a lot about this scenario over the past couple days, and I've come to this conclusion. If they have ideas about moving Allen into the starter role, I think right now at the beginning of the season is the time to try it. Give Allen the bulk of the starts now, and see how he reacts/handles the pressure and responsibilities of being the starter. I think that would give us a better idea, ahead of time if we have to make the change late in the season, or when deciding on playoff starters.

 

[BlueOil]

Blues were boxed out of the slot and front of the net all night. Didn't seem to be much resistance to being forced to the outside either. Credit to Nashville for disrupting our game plan. Not the best example of it's execution, as the puck was bouncing quite a bit on most of our sticks.

We had some chances, but even the goal that went in was a bit awkward. Blues just weren't clicking tonight.

Backes looks like he needs to rest a few more games.

Pietrangelo proved, at moments tonight, having a high hockey IQ doesn't always mean you use it.

Elliott probably wants both goals back, but he played well enough to win had the team been better prepared to adjust to a strong game by the Preds.

I would prefer Leopold over Cole.

 

[Ranksu]

His defensive game gets overrated cause we're trying to rationalize his terrible contract. He's not putting up points and the only goal he has this season went off his butt. I don't see how anyone can defend him at this point. I'm literally done with him.

Very hard words about Bergy, but I cannot agree more.

Sobotka is better at faceoffs, better on the cycle, better at puck possession, more physical, and is a better playmaker.

Berglund is bigger, has a better shot, and is more durable.

Sobotka was maybe best PK'er and clear FO specialist. Mostly I liked how he can support our d-man's. Like last night I didnt see any C helped our D's. It was like 2 different team on ice. 2 d-man and 3 forwards. Not 5 team unit.

They didn't but they should have. I will repeat this once again, we give Berglund & Ott $6,3 mill for doing nothing. We could've paid Sobotka something like $3,2 mill, trade Berglund & MPS and pick up another top 6er. Or atleast get a first rounder and save some money. Porter could've done Ott's job even better. He's not really needed on this team.

I agree that Bergy + MPS haven't show us nothing. We know Bergy got potential, but he isnt step up that next level. Wait have we waited him step up 3-4 years now? MPS is going to be that odd man out when Jaskin is going to be next season even better and maybe couple youngsters (Rattie and maybe Fabbri).

I have to say Ott has been quite good PK guy and maybe showed us that gritty gamestyle and havent draw not so many bad penalties what I saw last season. I'm not sure were that injury last season his biggest weakness, maybe that he try to too much and it looks like out of ice he were surfing and usually wrong positions/out played himself.

I'm fine with Ott 2.6mill. x2years. IF we don't have Ott we loose very important PK rotation guy. Porter cannot take PK time.

* * *

Even this day I'm not sure how this summer did really go. Did they pick Bergy before Sobotka. Were Army 2.7mill take or leave it just rhetoric words to media. Vlady wanted 3mill./1 year.

I have to ask you guys, wouldnt Sobotka be more versatile then Berglund? We know Vlady wasnt that scoring guy, but like yesterday hit me in the heard why Vlady were so good. He can support D's, beast PKer, top notch FO specialist, he got grittyness, he created with his speed open space to his linemates/ scoring changes. Bergy won't do anything to his linemates and his well hyped shooting hasnt showed us nothing.

We have these guys now, but still our coaching/GM staff make bad effort last summer.

We are now better team then last year, but thinking what could we have makes me sad and disapointted.

Sobotka - Backes - Oshie
Schwartz - Lehterä - Tarasenko
Steen - Stastny - Lindström/Jaskin
Ott - Lapierre - Reaves

'1st' line would easily be our best shutdown line. STL will be our scoring machine. I don't mind if Backes and Oshie won't put out 50-60ish points if they can shutdown post-season everybody and Sobotka would take FO with Backes and give him more relief on d-zone responsibilities, dropping Steen 3rd line would give him freedom to perform more o-zone with Stastny and Jocke/Jaskin.
4th line can be gritty and that energy boost.


14 GP played, but I won't push panic button yet. We are much wiser 2015 February.

 

[JustOneB4IDie]

Elliott probably wants both goals back, but he played well enough to win had the team been better prepared to adjust to a strong game by the Preds.

Sure he does, Elliott wasn't screened on either goal, wiffed on both, and it cost the Blues a regulation loss at home to a division opponent in Nashville who plays stingy team defense and has a healthy Rinne between the pipes once again, I don't think it was a case of not being prepared at all Elliott needs to stop those 2 goals.

Blues get another shot at home against the Preds at Scottrade Thursday, sandwiched by the Sabers game this Tuesday. Let's see if they are prepared.

 

[BlueDream]

I'm done with Berglund to be honest. He's no longer the puck possession he used to be, now he gets knocked off so easily. He can't finish chances that are gifted to him and he doesn't create any opportunities on his own. I never understood why people said he looked good this year, he's been sub par in my eyes. His defensive game gets overrated cause we're trying to rationalize his terrible contract. He's not putting up points and the only goal he has this season went off his butt. I don't see how anyone can defend him at this point. I'm literally done with him.

You are 100% correct.

He's just not very good. I'm not going to overreact to the whole team, because while they do need to be more aggressive, they are 7-1 in the last 8. But Berglund hasn't been a factor for a long time now. I honestly hope he's traded by the end of the season, let's get an upgrade on that 3rd-line please.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Gosh! Trapped Under Ice and Fight Fire With Fire get no love around here!

 

[Old Blueser]

This was the flattest the Blues have looked for a whole game in a while, and they had trouble with the Preds speed/aggression.

Backes looks off and I see it mostly in decision-making, over-pursuing into areas when his teammate has already lost a battle; slow reaction time; weaker passes. He put himself in bad positions and allowed the Preds to break out away from him over and over.

Speaking of weak passes, I am pretty much over Lindstrom's tendency to make little fluttery passes at all points on the ice. Some areas require decisive play, not flipping the puck a few feet, putting it up for grabs for anyone in the general area. You know like the blue line for example.

I really think the main problem with Berglund is his shot. If he did all the things he has done so far, but had buried even two of his chances, I think everyone would be giving him more of a break.

Somehow we are back to not having three real top-9 lines, and the only person out is Oshie who was playing bad anyway. Personally I don't see any reason to sit Jaskin any night until Osh comes back.