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[LGB51]

You are 100% correct.

He's just not very good. I'm not going to overreact to the whole team, because while they do need to be more aggressive, they are 7-1 in the last 8. But Berglund hasn't been a factor for a long time now. I honestly hope he's traded by the end of the season, let's get an upgrade on that 3rd-line please.

If we could get someone from a non-playoff team for this years run, to help that third line produce more, who would your choice be?

 

[BlueDream]

If we could get someone from a non-playoff team for this years run, to help that third line produce more, who would your choice be?

It's still early so it's tough to say who all will be out of the running aside from a few teams, but a guy like Michael Ryder or Joel Ward would fit the bill of who I'm looking at.

Someone who has proven he can score goals, and do so while not being afraid to get his nose dirty in the hard areas either. Those guys have expiring contracts too, hopefully making a deal easier to work out. But perhaps Army pulls something out of his sleeve and uses Berglund and Oshie for example to get a younger player that will really shake things up. If that happens, Philly has a couple guys I may be interested in. But that's a lot harder to predict who may be available.

 

[LGB51]

It's still early so it's tough to say who all will be out of the running aside from a few teams, but a guy like Michael Ryder or Joel Ward would fit the bill of who I'm looking at.

Someone who has proven he can score goals, and do so while not being afraid to get his nose dirty in the hard areas either. Those guys have expiring contracts too, hopefully making a deal easier to work out. But perhaps Army pulls something out of his sleeve and uses Berglund and Oshie for example to get a younger player that will really shake things up. If that happens, Philly has a couple guys I may be interested in. But that's a lot harder to predict who may be available.

Do you really think Army would pull the trigger on moving Oshie, after his new found popularity? I can see him having a hard time making that call, although I'm right there with you, that I'd like to see what we can get for Oshie+Berglund. Although they're both gonna have to pick it up offensively, in order to get any kind of a worthwhile return. I also believe it's gonna be hard to get any roster player of real value for Berglund with what is unfortunately looking like a ridiculous yearly rate on his contract.

 

[BlueDream]

Do you really think Army would pull the trigger on moving Oshie, after his new found popularity? I can see him having a hard time making that call, although I'm right there with you, that I'd like to see what we can get for Oshie+Berglund. Although they're both gonna have to pick it up offensively, in order to get any kind of a worthwhile return. I also believe it's gonna be hard to get any roster player of real value for Berglund with what is unfortunately looking like a ridiculous yearly rate on his contract.

Not sure, Tarasenko's popularity may now make it easier for him to move someone like Oshie lol. But yeah I'm sure it'd still upset fans at first. But he has to do what he feels makes the team better and perhaps while Oshie's trade value is still high, we find another scorer on the right side in return. I'm not saying it's even likely to happen, but he's really the only moveable piece in the top 6 if we were to make a shakeup move.

 

[Overkamp]

Right now Oshie has zero trade value and he won't have any until he comes back and starts to play the way he has since he donned the Blues sweater.

Nevertheless, if that happens there is no way that the Blues would want to trade him. He's an important part of this team.

I am absolutely convinced he was hurt in the first game of year and that knock on the post only made it worse (concussion).

I'm afraid we may have a Perron redux on our hands.

 

[Note Worthy]

Right now Oshie has zero trade value and he won't have any until he comes back and starts to play the way he has since he donned the Blues sweater.

Nevertheless, if that happens there is no way that the Blues would want to trade him. He's an important part of this team.

I am absolutely convinced he was hurt in the first game of year and that knock on the post only made it worse (concussion).

I'm afraid we may have a Perron redux on our hands.

I don't think it's that bad. Perron couldn't even go outside or come to the arena because the lights were too bright. Oshie just made an appearance at practice the other day. Perron couldn't do that for a very long time.

I'm not saying Oshie is due back anytime soon but I don't think it's a Perron issue.

 

[Overkamp]

I don't think it's that bad. Perron couldn't even go outside or come to the arena because the lights were too bright. Oshie just made an appearance at practice the other day. Perron couldn't do that for a very long time.

I'm not saying Oshie is due back anytime soon but I don't think it's a Perron issue.

I hope you're right! Just by listening to Hitchcock and Armstrong talk it makes it sound like this will a very long term thing.

After that appearance has he made any more (sightings)?

 

[Brian39]

Do you really think Army would pull the trigger on moving Oshie, after his new found popularity? I can see him having a hard time making that call, although I'm right there with you, that I'd like to see what we can get for Oshie+Berglund. Although they're both gonna have to pick it up offensively, in order to get any kind of a worthwhile return. I also believe it's gonna be hard to get any roster player of real value for Berglund with what is unfortunately looking like a ridiculous yearly rate on his contract.

Oshie is very popular, but I don't think trading him would cost the team any money. Everyone who wants an Oshie jersey has probably already bought one and the Tarasenko show is quickly become the focus of fans. I really don't think there is a noticeable number of fans who would stop coming if they moved Oshie. On the flip side, his value is increased by his national popularity and reputation. If he comes back and returns to form, I think Army could get the better player in a trade with a team struggling to draw fans.

As for Berglund, his salary is far from ridiculous. He is certainly overpaid, but not by an outrageous amount. Look at his comparables on capgeek. I would put him near the bottom of that list, but he isn't very far from most of those players. His contract may hurt his value, but I don't think it makes him unmovable.

 

[Lord Helix]

Who is the "worst" winger in the top 6? How about top 6 forward in general?

The answer is Oshie. Berglund is obviously not in that discussion, as we've pretty much accepted that he's only going to be on the 3rd line talent wise.

I love him, but I'm just trying to show a logical way to understand why moving Oshie could be a good thing. If our ultimate goal is to win, then improvement is the way to get there. Guessing about who we could get that could be a plus is useless though, as we all know. So, we'll wait until Osh comes back, and see how him and the rest of the team are playing.

 

[STL Blues Fan]

During the pre game show yesterday I thought I heard them say Oshie was a limited participant in practice yesterday. I could be wrong though?

 

[BlueDream]

Right now Oshie has zero trade value and he won't have any until he comes back and starts to play the way he has since he donned the Blues sweater.

Nevertheless, if that happens there is no way that the Blues would want to trade him. He's an important part of this team.

I am absolutely convinced he was hurt in the first game of year and that knock on the post only made it worse (concussion).

I'm afraid we may have a Perron redux on our hands.

That's really going out on a limb...

But no, if you think Oshie has zero trade value even when he's struggling you're 100% wrong.

 

[sparkycircuit]

I hope you're right! Just by listening to Hitchcock and Armstrong talk it makes it sound like this will a very long term thing.

After that appearance has he made any more (sightings)?

Conjecture on my part, but I still think that based on how he was playing prior to the concussion, there was something else going on. So it might be a combination of the concussion + whatever was effecting him before that that'll keep him out a little longer. Personally, I'm fine with that. I rather Oshie take the time in November and be clicking on all cylinders come spring.

 

[Overkamp]

That's really going out on a limb...

But no, if you think Oshie has zero trade value even when he's struggling you're 100% wrong.

He is injured with no timetable for a return. You even bolded the part I wrote that says UNTIL HE COMES BACK.

 

[DeuceNine]

By the way, who do you guys think gets the start against Buffalo Allen or Elliot?

Personally I've thought a lot about this scenario over the past couple days, and I've come to this conclusion. If they have ideas about moving Allen into the starter role, I think right now at the beginning of the season is the time to try it. Give Allen the bulk of the starts now, and see how he reacts/handles the pressure and responsibilities of being the starter. I think that would give us a better idea, ahead of time if we have to make the change late in the season, or when deciding on playoff starters.

Thing is, a start against Buffalo tells you nothing. I could beat them.

 

[taylord22]

Who is the "worst" winger in the top 6? How about top 6 forward in general?

The answer is Oshie. Berglund is obviously not in that discussion, as we've pretty much accepted that he's only going to be on the 3rd line talent wise.

I love him, but I'm just trying to show a logical way to understand why moving Oshie could be a good thing. If our ultimate goal is to win, then improvement is the way to get there. Guessing about who we could get that could be a plus is useless though, as we all know. So, we'll wait until Osh comes back, and see how him and the rest of the team are playing.

I get where you're coming from, but even if Oshie is objectively our worst top 6 forward, the difference between best and worst is not very large. The difference between 3-6 is negligible.

Oshie is a hard trade for the Blues. Package deals are going to be slim pickings this year with the salary cap in limbo and defense being overwhelmingly sought after. Sure, there are teams out there that would be willing to take on two player's salaries, but if you're trading Oshie for an upgrade, the opposing team has a ton of leverage in how much value player #2 adds to the deal. They would have to be pining for both players for us to truly get an upgrade over Oshie, IMO.

That leaves a lateral swap, which is relatively pointless given how integrated Oshie is within our system.

I don't see him being, even a remotely, viable trade option.

 

[Backes to the wall]

"I was shocked that he stayed there the whole time," Blues coach Ken Hitchcock said of Oshie. "... I don't know how he's feeling. I didn't get into what the trainers talked about. They told us he was going to stay for whatever he could and then he ended up staying right to the bitter end, which is a good sign."

Just no way I would move Oshie until I had a chance to see him on lines such as Steen-Stastny-Oshie or Schwartz-Stasny-Oshie.
He is one of those gifted guys who can throw a heavy hit, then make a beautiful play for a goal. All of this and he has the heart of a lion.
I think he has had lousy health to start the season, and a bad line.