GDT: Preseason games 2024-25

[johnjm22]

We’re banking LTIR savings on the cap for like 3 months with the two big injuries, right?

I don't think it works like that. You only get LTIR savings if the player doesn't return until after the regular season.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

I don't think it works like that. You only get LTIR savings if the player doesn't return until after the regular season.

The Kings got LTIR savings last year from Arvidsson being on LTIR and he returned with a couple of months left.

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview | Puckpedia

To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the...

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[All The Kings Men]

The Kings got LTIR savings last year from Arvidsson being on LTIR and he returned with a couple of months left.

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview | Puckpedia

To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the...

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Last season the Kings opened the season with limited cap space and were only able to carry 21 players.

With Arvidsson on LTIR the Kings were able to carry more than one extra player.


This season the Kings are already capable of carrying 23 players.

The LTIR "bonus" would theoretically allow them to acquire a high priced player BUT once Doughty returned they would need to become cap compliant again which would result in them needing to trade other players in order to compensate for the extra salary.

The "bonus" teams earn when their player is out until the playoffs is that they never need to have that compliance balancing.

If Stone misses the entire season and they bring in another high priced player they can play both of them in the playoffs and sort out the cap discrepancies in the off-season.

The potential value the Kings will actually be able to see from LTIR won't be clear until we know how long Doughty may be out for.

If his return will be during the season it would be difficult to utilize the LTIR benefit gained from his contract. If his return will not be during the season the challenge would be finding players with a high on ice value but low acquisition cost.

 

[King'sPawn]

What’s wrong with giving an educated opinion? It’s nice to have medical professionals try to break down for someone like me who doesn’t know what I’m looking at. You’re reading too much into the intent.

Just for added context, here's one of the accounts I follow. This is an ER doctor clearly giving his opinion but he breaks it down, gives clear description of what's happening to the body, and explains the injuries he thinks occurred:

 

[johnjm22]

The Kings got LTIR savings last year from Arvidsson being on LTIR and he returned with a couple of months left.

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview | Puckpedia

To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the...

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• While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.
• When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall the Kings getting any savings some RV being on LTIR. If they did, you'd think they would've had cap space at the deadline to make a move.

 

[johnjm22]

Is this part of the LTIR rule new?

• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season

 

[kingsholygrail]

Is this part of the LTIR rule new?

• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season

I don't think so.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Is this part of the LTIR rule new?

• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season

not sure how old it is but it's been the rule for as long as I can recall

 

[Lt Dan]

If Stone misses the entire season and they bring in another high priced player they can play both of them in the playoffs and sort out the cap discrepancies in the off-season.

The potential value the Kings will actually be able to see from LTIR won't be clear until we know how long Doughty may be out for.

If his return will be during the season it would be difficult to utilize the LTIR benefit gained from his contract. If his return will not be during the season the challenge would be finding players with a high on ice value but low acquisition cost.

This should say when Stone misses the entire season...

 

[All The Kings Men]

This should say when Stone misses the entire season...

didnt Kucherov do it too?

 

[Lt Dan]

didnt Kucherov do it too?

Yes but with Stone it's as annual as a furniture store's going out of business sale

 

[King'sPawn]

didnt Kucherov do it too?

Yes but with Stone is as annual as a furniture store's going out of business sale

Mark Stone's wife posing with a fan wearing a No. 61 LTIR jersey

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

I feel like the lack of Doughty news means they are looking for second opinions. Probably not good news.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Hiller . Blake and possibly higher in the food chain's necks may be on the line.

Clarke may see time on PP1 but will be sheltered in some sitchys.

Even 5 on 5 , Brough and Clarke may switch pairs depending.

Gav - Spen

Anderson - Clarke

Edmo - Brough

Movie

A little weird to see Mikey down on third pair but I get the continuity approach with Clarke and Edmundson

 

[Surf Nutz]

I feel like the lack of Doughty news means they are looking for second opinions. Probably not good news.

Bro lets take slow measured approach for every step.

You want a not 100% DewD for the regular season or 100 % + LTIR bonus at the start of the playoffs?

It's called getting Stone.

And blowing smoke at the 15 other playoff teams.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

• While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.
• When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall the Kings getting any savings some RV being on LTIR. If they did, you'd think they would've had cap space at the deadline to make a move.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/los-angeles-kings/news/breaking-los-angeles-kings-move-viktor-arvidsson-to-ltir-what-that-means-for-the-roster

On the positive side, the Kings free up $4.25 million according to CapFriendly.com, allowing them to recall more players. It also increases their accruable cap space limit. Capfriendly explains the process more in depth here.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1712535069913657658

Kings place Viktor Arvidsson on LTIR + Additional Roster Transactions - LA Kings Insider

A series of roster moves this morning for the LA Kings. The LA Kings have recalled forward Alex Turcotte and defenseman Brandt Clarke from the AHL’s Ontario Reign, with forwards Arthur Kaliyev and Alex Laferriere heading back to the Reign. Additionally, the Kings have placed forward Viktor...

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The biggest news is that Arvidsson has been placed on LTIR, which opens up the roster from a flexibility standpoint. Naturally, we’d rather have Viktor Arvidsson in the lineup. He’s a dynamic creator who is a driving force on his line and on the power play, one of the most gifted and impactful offensive players in the organization. The Kings will miss him while he recovers from a lower-body injury that will have him sidelined, at least through November 4, which would be the team’s eleventh game of the season.


What this transaction does is free up cap space

I just reread what you wrote and I think we're saying slightly different things.

 

[tigermask48]

I feel like the lack of Doughty news means they are looking for second opinions. Probably not good news.

More than likely it's just all the imaging that needs to be done for an injury like this. They are doing radiographs to look for fractures to the hard tissue, and then also MRI to look for ligament or tendon damage.

The MRI especially can take a long time because of the precautions you need to take, and generating the images takesfa fair bit of time.

Lastly a doctor has to come up with a treatment plan and a recovery timetable after reviewing all the images. So it's likely just the team is still waiting to hear the final verdict.

 

[kovacro]

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In this episode of 32 Thoughts, Kyle and Elliotte visit Los Angeles, California to get a closer look at the LA Kings as they prepare for their season. The fellas begin the podcast discussing Drew Doughty's leg injury and how the Kings will cope with his absence. Afterwards, Kyle and Elliotte talk about the Robertson-Nylander incident from Thursday night and expand on the extra precautions teams take in the preseason (11:14). The guys talk about Matt Dumba making his presence known with the Dallas Stars (15:57) and Elliotte provides the latest on Igor Shesterkin (17:36). Then, the guys talk about Ian Clark's future with the Vancouver Canucks (22:10). Kyle and Elliotte delve into the Philadelphia Flyers as Daniel Brière works his magic again, this time with Alexei Kolosov (24:02). They also talk about Cole Perfetti ending his stalemate with the Winnipeg Jets (32:52). The guys end the first segment by discussing the newly announced Rogers Stadium in Toronto (36:07) and the Buffalo Sabres announcing their leadership group with Rasmus Dahlin being named captain (39:07).

Kyle and Elliotte answer your questions in the Thought Line (42:53).

The fellas sit down with LA Kings Head Coach Jim Hiller for an exclusive one-on-one interview (55:10).

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[Statto]

Because in this case, he has no imaging and threw out potential diagnoses based on a cursory glance that he had to amend in a later tweet after "watching it more."

So, it wasn't a very educated opinion.

Here's the thing, if he gave a clear breakdown of how certain impacts could vary in different ways, I would have loved it. I follow plenty of accounts on different topics outlining their opinion in 30-200 tweets providing useful and interesting information, including factors that could affect their opinion.

Saying "broken ankle, 6 weeks. Torn achilles, season ending. Here's a test to find out how" is, I'm sorry, lazy. And I honestly don't think it's helpful or interesting.

What part of the ankle looks like it could be fractured based on how he hit the boards?
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Does the location affect recovery time? Would it impact future skating strides?

Is it possible it's just a gnarly sprain (that a non-MD suggested in his thread that he didn't even consider to mention)?

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If yes, what would be the recovery window?

A sprain (injury involving the ligament) is different from a torn tendon. I also saw he's a family doctor. So, his specialty isn't even sports medicine.

I appreciate that someone has an interest in hockey and that he tweets about it, but I simply expect better from doctors offering their medical opinion. Especially in today's climate where people are anti-vaxx, because they don't trust in the medicine.

That’s kinda how I felt about it. He pretty much made a diagnosis that most of us could have made. The ‘Achilles’ piece would have been a more insightful diagnosis, which he back tracked on (I wonder if someone corrected him).

Given how many experiences of misdiagnosis I’ve been involved in personally and with my kids, I find it nonsensical for even a specialist to diagnose based on a vide… but a family doc? Laughable.

 

[fivehole32]

Yes but with Stone it's as annual as a furniture store's going out of business sale

Or Going Out For Business sale

 

[Herby]

Just when I thought I couldn't hate pre-season sports any more than I already did.

Get well soon DD.

 

[King'sPawn]

Just when I thought I couldn't hate pre-season sports any more than I already did.

Get well soon DD.

What does preseason have to do with it? He fell awkwardly making a seemingly innocuous play of trying to check a puck carrier.

 

[johnjm22]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/los-angeles-kings/news/breaking-los-angeles-kings-move-viktor-arvidsson-to-ltir-what-that-means-for-the-roster

https://x.com/i/web/status/1712535069913657658

Kings place Viktor Arvidsson on LTIR + Additional Roster Transactions - LA Kings Insider

A series of roster moves this morning for the LA Kings. The LA Kings have recalled forward Alex Turcotte and defenseman Brandt Clarke from the AHL’s Ontario Reign, with forwards Arthur Kaliyev and Alex Laferriere heading back to the Reign. Additionally, the Kings have placed forward Viktor...

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I just reread what you wrote and I think we're saying slightly different things.

I still don't think this means you're accruing cap space in the way people think.

 

[kingsfan28]

What does preseason have to do with it? He fell awkwardly making a seemingly innocuous play of trying to check a puck carrier.

It reminded me of how Byfield got hurt. The way Drew fell, with both his legs getting caught like that, could've gone so much worse.