Preds lines for next season right now

[Rock Paper Sissons]

Lanky is 29. Nashville needs at least one more season out of him, maybe 2 or 3, if Saros is traded. Then Asky can take over.

Lankinen is not a head goalie. I agree askarov needs an other year or so but if Saros is dealt then for sure we bring in a vet goalie like samsonov or someone. Lankinen is not to be leaned on he’s not that guy.

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

You think marner is equal or has higher value then tkachuk? I feel if you asked this as a poll that tkachuk wins by a landslide. I feel he’s a much more complete player, is younger and has had success in the NHL without the leagues possibly best goal scorer.
I for sure would pay an awful lot to get him. Do you think the proposal of askarov, Evangelista and Kemell is overpayment?

You also have a good day sir

@ShagDaddy
Crickets eh?

 

[Gh24]

Toronto (in theory) wants to move Marner because of playoff performance, right? And Marner <<<<Tkachuk, right?

How do they stack up side by side in the playoffs?

Isn't he like ppg in playoffs?

Tkachuk obviously has 0 pts in 0 gp, but I don't know how meaningful the discussion is since the rumor about his availability was not even a rumor, but some rambling

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Isn't he like ppg in playoffs?

Tkachuk obviously has 0 pts in 0 gp, but I don't know how meaningful the discussion is since the rumor about his availability was not even a rumor, but some rambling

This is why I don't think the Preds are able to get Marner/Tkachuk. I see teams with young forwards needing a change of scenery. I fully expect them to be changed for each other. I could easily see a Marner for Tkachuk style deal or a Tkachuk for Zegras etc.

The Preds just don't have the assets other teams do to trade. Now, I could see us moving up in the draft with the assets we do have, or I see us being able to get a second tier forward via trade, but I don't think we will be able to get the big fish with the assets we are willing to part with.

My projected offseason:

Saros stays
Chandler Stephenson signs for $5.5Mx7
Brett Pesce signs for $6.2Mx7
Preds trade for someone like Blake Coleman or Boone Jenner and include one of Fabbro/Glass/Tomasino.
Preds move up in the draft by adding their first and include one of Fabbro/Glass/Tomasino.
Tyler Myers signs for $3.5Mx3

Forsberg O'Rly Gus
Stephenson Novak Evang
Coleman Sissons Parsnip
Smith Janko Big Sexy

Josi Pesce
Stastney Myers
Lauzon Schenn

Saros
Lank

 

[wmupreds]

This is why I don't think the Preds are able to get Marner/Tkachuk. I see teams with young forwards needing a change of scenery. I fully expect them to be changed for each other. I could easily see a Marner for Tkachuk style deal or a Tkachuk for Zegras etc.

The Preds just don't have the assets other teams do to trade. Now, I could see us moving up in the draft with the assets we do have, or I see us being able to get a second tier forward via trade, but I don't think we will be able to get the big fish with the assets we are willing to part with.

My projected offseason:

Saros stays
Chandler Stephenson signs for $5.5Mx7
Brett Pesce signs for $6.2Mx7
Preds trade for someone like Blake Coleman or Boone Jenner and include one of Fabbro/Glass/Tomasino.
Preds move up in the draft by adding their first and include one of Fabbro/Glass/Tomasino.
Tyler Myers signs for $3.5Mx3

Forsberg O'Rly Gus
Stephenson Novak Evang
Coleman Sissons Parsnip
Smith Janko Big Sexy

Josi Pesce
Stastney Myers
Lauzon Schenn

Saros
Lank

The best chance the Preds have to land someone like that is if someone (Leafs, potentially) really highly values Saros as a centerpiece, more than goalies are generally valued, AND Trotz is actually willing to take the risk of dealing Juice. Those are both very much open questions. Personally I would welcome taking the risk but who can say what the GMs in question think.

 

[herzausstein]

The best chance the Preds have to land someone like that is if someone (Leafs, potentially) really highly values Saros as a centerpiece, more than goalies are generally valued, AND Trotz is actually willing to take the risk of dealing Juice. Those are both very much open questions. Personally I would welcome taking the risk but who can say what the GMs in question think.

I could see the Leafs doing something around Saros and Novak being the centerpieces. Saros giving them a goalie and Novak giving them some offense back.

 

[jumb0]

Isn't he like ppg in playoffs?

Tkachuk obviously has 0 pts in 0 gp, but I don't know how meaningful the discussion is since the rumor about his availability was not even a rumor, but some rambling

50 points in 57 games

 

[herzausstein]

Isn't he like ppg in playoffs?

Tkachuk obviously has 0 pts in 0 gp, but I don't know how meaningful the discussion is since the rumor about his availability was not even a rumor, but some rambling

Marner is near a PPG. Leafs fans just get mad because he goes from 1.1 PPG in the regular season down to 0.877 in the playoffs (and even worse this season). It is a pretty notable dip and you want your highly paid players to step up in the playoffs. It isn't just a Marner thing there though. Both Nylander and AM dip to below a PPG in the playoffs

 

[Gh24]

What's your view on Parssinen? He had decent stats on regular season and close to ppg on playoffs for Ads. I assume we can at least expect heavy (relatively speaking) minutes early in the season?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

What's your view on Parssinen? He had decent stats on regular season and close to ppg on playoffs for Ads. I assume we can at least expect heavy (relatively speaking) minutes early in the season?

I’m not sure we can really expect anything at this point? See what Trotz does in the off-season first, he might bring in enough free agents or trade acquisitions up front that Parssinen doesn’t even have a spot on the team. At this point who knows?

 

[token grinder]

What's your view on Parssinen? He had decent stats on regular season and close to ppg on playoffs for Ads. I assume we can at least expect heavy (relatively speaking) minutes early in the season?

His playing time will at the NHL level will depend on if he learned to not get beat off the boards off the puck. He got caught puck watching way too much early in the year.

 

[originalpredfan]

Perhaps I see something in Parssinen many don't, but I believe he will be an integral part of this team in a top 6 role. He has size, skill, and is developing an aggressive mean streak. Just my opinion, oughta be yours as Gerry House would say.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Perhaps I see something in Parssinen many don't, but I believe he will be an integral part of this team in a top 6 role. He has size, skill, and is developing an aggressive mean streak. Just my opinion, oughta be yours as Gerry House would say.

Well, I definitely expected a lot more out of Parssinen this season, after what I thought was an outstanding debut the season before. I realize one could list the utilization factor as being something that really contributed to his apparent "regression" - both in terms of being bounced around the lineup and in terms of being relegated to the wing a lot of the time. I'm disappointed by the way he was deployed. But in parallel with that, he didn't exactly force the coaching staff to take notice and re-think things either.

I'm not sure about the "aggressive mean streak" part - I don't see that at all actually - but I really like the way he shields the puck in traffic and sees his linemates, I think that he could still be an effective #2 "power center", even if his skating isn't ideal for the center position. I think with the right wingers, you just live with the fact that he's not going to be a burner and use him up the middle anyway, because his total package still is a net positive in the middle, compared to relegating him to the wing.

That said, the way our organization handles young forwards, I can readily imagine a scenario where we sign enough free agents that he starts next season again with no defined role or regular utilization, and then basically just ends up on waivers. I will be very disappointed if they do that with him, since I think he has a lot of potential. But I won't be surprised.

 

[Armourboy]

I'd say Parssinen is at least going to be given a solid opportunity this season, and Brunette knowing he jerked him around last season will be much less likely to do it this one.

He is going to make mistakes, every young guy does, heck even Vets do. That's just part of it.

I wouldn't say he has a mean streak either, but he has a build where he isn't getting pushed around like with Novak.

 

[Predsanddead24]

L'Hereux is going to be an interesting story during camp this year. Given his performance in the AHL this year and then elevating his play in the playoffs I think it would be a huge mistake to not have him start next season in the NHL. However, he has a bunch of guys fighting for spots with him that aren't waiver exempt and that has played a factor in how we assess guys recently. Ideally I'd really like to see L'Hereux get to play on a skill line too rather than relegating him to a grinder type of role too.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I think L'Heureux probably rates as our most impressive prospect performance of the year. He put himself on the map. Molendyk may get an HM, and Askarov had a good season prior to the playoffs, while Afanaseyev basically did what we hoped he would in terms of becoming a "top player" at the AHL level. There were some other good prospect performances: Svechkov was good in the AHL, and Fink impressed as a freshman. Ufko also stepped up very nicely after college. But I think L'Heureux really stood out in terms of elevating himself into a guy we could realistically project into a top-9 role in our lineup next season.

It would have been great if Kemell and Wood had stood out to a similar degree... they had "okay" seasons, and there is definitely nothing that we should even remotely consider panicking about there... they both still have lots of time.

Did anybody "disappoint"? I'm not sure I'd stick that on ANY of our prospects. Schaeffer was only ever going to be a 4th line grinder. Matier/Prokop/Livingstone didn't give us a warm-fuzzy they'd ever be NHLers, but they have some time left too. I think our overall prospect progression chart was very positive this season.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

I think L'Heureux probably rates as our most impressive prospect performance of the year. He put himself on the map. Molendyk may get an HM, and Askarov had a good season prior to the playoffs, while Afanaseyev basically did what we hoped he would in terms of becoming a "top player" at the AHL level. There were some other good prospect performances: Svechkov was good in the AHL, and Fink impressed as a freshman. Ufko also stepped up very nicely after college. But I think L'Heureux really stood out in terms of elevating himself into a guy we could realistically project into a top-9 role in our lineup next season.

It would have been great if Kemell and Wood had stood out to a similar degree... they had "okay" seasons, and there is definitely nothing that we should even remotely consider panicking about there... they both still have lots of time.

Did anybody "disappoint"? I'm not sure I'd stick that on ANY of our prospects. Schaeffer was only ever going to be a 4th line grinder. Matier/Prokop/Livingstone didn't give us a warm-fuzzy they'd ever be NHLers, but they have some time left too. I think our overall prospect progression chart was very positive this season.

I agree and would say that the only disapointment was the guys we hoped were full time NHL'ers not really figuring it out yet.

Tomasino is running out of time...and that time might expire this summer.

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

I think L'Heureux probably rates as our most impressive prospect performance of the year. He put himself on the map. Molendyk may get an HM, and Askarov had a good season prior to the playoffs, while Afanaseyev basically did what we hoped he would in terms of becoming a "top player" at the AHL level. There were some other good prospect performances: Svechkov was good in the AHL, and Fink impressed as a freshman. Ufko also stepped up very nicely after college. But I think L'Heureux really stood out in terms of elevating himself into a guy we could realistically project into a top-9 role in our lineup next season.

It would have been great if Kemell and Wood had stood out to a similar degree... they had "okay" seasons, and there is definitely nothing that we should even remotely consider panicking about there... they both still have lots of time.

Did anybody "disappoint"? I'm not sure I'd stick that on ANY of our prospects. Schaeffer was only ever going to be a 4th line grinder. Matier/Prokop/Livingstone didn't give us a warm-fuzzy they'd ever be NHLers, but they have some time left too. I think our overall prospect progression chart was very positive this season.

Whoa whoa whoa now
I was in totally agreement until the last paragraph. I agree with prokop and livingstone but don’t you talk poorly about matier.
I recall you specifically telling me there he no way with our depth chart he will get any time in Milwaukee. Yet he played 16 games for Milwaukee and looks to be full time next season. I was quite happy with his production and can’t wait for our next shea Weber to make it to Nashville.

I almost feel like you posted that knowing I’d reply to you hahaha

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Whoa whoa whoa now
I was in totally agreement until the last paragraph. I agree with prokop and livingstone but don’t you talk poorly about matier.
I recall you specifically telling me there he no way with our depth chart he will get any time in Milwaukee. Yet he played 16 games for Milwaukee and looks to be full time next season. I was quite happy with his production and can’t wait for our next shea Weber to make it to Nashville.

I almost feel like you posted that knowing I’d reply to you hahaha

I thought somebody else who I have blocked was more into Matier, so I don't remember that about you, sorry! I mean, sporadic time in Milwaukee and sucking (on an admittedly sucky team) in Atlanta don't in any way absolve Matier from my pre-season prognostications.

But I'm not a pessimistic guy by nature. It would be cool if any of these guys pulled their NHL hopes out of the fire with big years in Milwaukee next year. I'm all for that. It's not "impossible". Just saying, it is historically relatively rare. I'm not some super prospect watcher or anything, so I don't profess to have any special knowledge. Just saying, guys who aren't great in the ECHL aren't often guys who pan out as NHL players, like almost ever.

 

[Armourboy]

Whoa whoa whoa now
I was in totally agreement until the last paragraph. I agree with prokop and livingstone but don’t you talk poorly about matier.
I recall you specifically telling me there he no way with our depth chart he will get any time in Milwaukee. Yet he played 16 games for Milwaukee and looks to be full time next season. I was quite happy with his production and can’t wait for our next shea Weber to make it to Nashville.

I almost feel like you posted that knowing I’d reply to you hahaha

I mean he basically got the spot due to call ups and injuries in Milwaukee, I wouldn't exactly call that setting the world on fire.

 

[Scoresberg]

Perhaps I see something in Parssinen many don't, but I believe he will be an integral part of this team in a top 6 role. He has size, skill, and is developing an aggressive mean streak. Just my opinion, oughta be yours as Gerry House would say.

Agree 100%. I think we have a legit middle-six, all-situations center in there assuming we can properly develop him (not overly optimistic we can). He is big, knows how to use his body and has that mean streak in him.

I really liked the idea last year when they started Pärssinen with Forsberg and O'Reilly but that experiment was shut down too quickly. Granted, Pärssinen is better suited at center but it felt like he could've gained a lot of valuable experience watching O'Reilly closely.

 

[herzausstein]

Question WRT Pärssinen.

If he is a middle 6C, where do we put him if Brunette doesn't want to move Sissons off of 3C. Is Pärssinen good enough to start out at 2C and push Novak to wing?

 

[Scoresberg]

Question WRT Pärssinen.

If he is a middle 6C, where do we put him if Brunette doesn't want to move Sissons off of 3C. Is Pärssinen good enough to start out at 2C and push Novak to wing?

Yes, if he has adequate wingers (read: NOT the likes of Beauvillier or Jankowski).

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Question WRT Pärssinen.

If he is a middle 6C, where do we put him if Brunette doesn't want to move Sissons off of 3C. Is Pärssinen good enough to start out at 2C and push Novak to wing?

I don't think we should feel bound by any stereotypical line numbering constraints. Just find lines that have good chemistry and matchup flexibility. I don't think it matters one bit if you have a line that might be "2nd line" one game against certain opponents, while relegated back to "4th line" against other opponents, or in other game situations. A strong shutdown line with Sissons could log the 2nd most minutes one game for a specific assignment, or much less another game.

Our team isn't "evolved" enough to really have that kind of de facto line designation in place yet.

 

[herzausstein]

I don't think we should feel bound by any stereotypical line numbering constraints. Just find lines that have good chemistry and matchup flexibility. I don't think it matters one bit if you have a line that might be "2nd line" one game against certain opponents, while relegated back to "4th line" against other opponents, or in other game situations. A strong shutdown line with Sissons could log the 2nd most minutes one game for a specific assignment, or much less another game.

Our team isn't "evolved" enough to really have that kind of de facto line designation in place yet.

When your GM and coach say they don't want their young talent playing the 4th line or that players like tomasino and Pärssinen need to be in the top 6 or 9 then you are going to be bound by some sort of line numbering constraints.