Preds lines for next season right now

[Rock Paper Sissons]

Tomasino isn't our best AHL forward.
I'll worry about the handringing here when he is the top AHL forward and/or truly performs at the NHL level when given the chance. As long as he plays his way down the NHL lineup then is far from the best AHL option he is a player that needs to develop ... and is on a typical development timeline.

I mean he’s 22 years old and is averaging almost 0.5 PPG, that’s not shabby at all. Can’t expect amazing progress from everyone instantly. Look at fiala for example

 

[Gh24]

Can you remind me who are waiver exempt again?

 

[101st_fan]

I mean he’s 22 years old and is averaging almost 0.5 PPG, that’s not shabby at all. Can’t expect amazing progress from everyone instantly. Look at fiala for example

Spots are earned and at 22 years old the AHL is still quite common for a player like him. If his progress isn't there yet, there shouldn't be a NHL spot yet.

 

[herzausstein]

Can you remind me who are waiver exempt again?

Everyone but Del Gaizo, Pärssinen, and Tomasino for the most part

 

[wmupreds]

Spots are earned and at 22 years old the AHL is still quite common for a player like him. If his progress isn't there yet, there shouldn't be a NHL spot yet.

You're stuck in the past as usual, 22 year olds are generally in the NHL by then if they're going to make a real impact. There are exceptions... but most aren't Tomasino's archetype.

Whether that's an org issue or a Tomasino issue is a different subject.

 

[Armourboy]

I think glass has zero place on this team. Way too many forwards now. Fabbro needs to stay unless he’s packaged with askarov or whatever for upgrade.
I think Stastney could be gone sooner than later after filing for arbitration with less than 30 games of nhl under his belt lol.

Also what happens with Tomasino? We cannot waste another year of his promising career in the ahl because brunette doesn’t like his style. Let’s do something here. Geeez

Stastney is kind of a case in what arbitration is good for. He obviously deserves to be making NHL money for the coming seasons, but Trotz doesn't want to give it to him because he knows he wants to use him as cheap filler back and forth between the NHL and minors.

Trotz is probably offering a 2 way contract, Stastney wants to make sure he gets a 1 way deal. It can't be about millions, Stastney hasn't done anything to get them.

 

[Kat Predator]

You're stuck in the past as usual, 22 year olds are generally in the NHL by then if they're going to make a real impact. There are exceptions... but most aren't Tomasino's archetype.

Whether that's an org issue or a Tomasino issue is a different subject.

The average age of a player making their NHL debut is 20.6 years old, with the mean window being 18.5 to 22.7 years old. It also on average takes about 200 NHL games for a new player to figure it out and become the NHL player he will be.

In Tomasino's case, he's already pushing the end of the average window, does not have 200 NHL games yet, and will not be waiver's exempt. He has a 1st round pedigree, like it or not, and it's a gimme layup that if the Preds can't find a use for him, someone else will give him a shot.

The parallels with how Tolvanen got broken in at the NHL level and their statistical numbers and struggles are obvious. Once Eeli closed in on that 200 games played mark with the Kraken, his game gained the consistency and production that earned him an NHL contract as a solid, two-way middle 6 winger.

There's no definitive reason at this point to think Tomasino can't follow a very similar path. Although Phil's physicality and defensive game are behind where Tolvanen was. In the right system, Phil is trending towards possibly being a second scoring line sort of winger (like what Fiala was when he was here). For this Preds team and in this system, Tomasino is positioned for being traded or someone else's waiver wire claim.

 

[101st_fan]

You're stuck in the past as usual, 22 year olds are generally in the NHL by then if they're going to make a real impact. There are exceptions... but most aren't Tomasino's archetype.

Whether that's an org issue or a Tomasino issue is a different subject.

He's a late first round pick who may, or may not, ever have "a real impact". When given the opportunity to start the season in the top 9 and on PP2 ... he played his way down the lineup and back to Milwaukee. MAYBE this year he gets things together and puts together a strong case for the NHL roster ... then again maybe its another season of him failing to be our best AHL level prospect. He's been bypassed by Evangalista ... in competition for a spot with just Pärssinen now that Afanasyev is gone ... with L'Heureux, Kemell, and Svechkov trying to surpass him. It's a quite common scenario across the league for late first round picks.

 

[101st_fan]

The average age of a player making their NHL debut is 20.6 years old, with the mean window being 18.5 to 22.7 years old. It also on average takes about 200 NHL games for a new player to figure it out and become the NHL player he will be.

In Tomasino's case, he's already pushing the end of the average window, does not have 200 NHL games yet, and will not be waiver's exempt. He has a 1st round pedigree, like it or not, and it's a gimme layup that if the Preds can't find a use for him, someone else will give him a shot.

The parallels with how Tolvanen got broken in at the NHL level and their statistical numbers and struggles are obvious. Once Eeli closed in on that 200 games played mark with the Kraken, his game gained the consistency and production that earned him an NHL contract as a solid, two-way middle 6 winger.

There's no definitive reason at this point to think Tomasino can't follow a very similar path. Although Phil's physicality and defensive game are behind where Tolvanen was. In the right system, Phil is trending towards possibly being a second scoring line sort of winger (like what Fiala was when he was here). For this Preds team and in this system, Tomasino is positioned for being traded or someone else's waiver wire claim.

At 20 Fiala spent over half the season with the big club and at 21 was a full time NHLer ... he made his debut at 18. Fiala got games and stayed with the big club.

 

[adsfan]

No.

I mean, he had a decent season in Milwaukee, slightly less production than maybe we were hoping after how well he played when he first came over at the end of the previous season, but he's on the right track.

Still, the current Predators organization is not going to hurry anybody, the Preds already have a full roster. L'Heureux raised more eyebrows in the playoffs than Kemell did, and he probably won't make it either. It's no knock on Kemell.

Kemell was injured in January in Henderson. I think it was his wrist. I saw it in person, but it was diagonally across the ice. He missed a few weeks. His offense was not as good after as before. Toward the end of the season, he was hammering people with his open ice checks again. I expect a full recovery after the off season.

L'Heureux is a human highlight reel. I will be happy to have him in Milwaukee until we win the Calder Cup again.

 

[adsfan]

The average age of a player making their NHL debut is 20.6 years old, with the mean window being 18.5 to 22.7 years old. It also on average takes about 200 NHL games for a new player to figure it out and become the NHL player he will be.

In Tomasino's case, he's already pushing the end of the average window, does not have 200 NHL games yet, and will not be waiver's exempt. He has a 1st round pedigree, like it or not, and it's a gimme layup that if the Preds can't find a use for him, someone else will give him a shot.

The parallels with how Tolvanen got broken in at the NHL level and their statistical numbers and struggles are obvious. Once Eeli closed in on that 200 games played mark with the Kraken, his game gained the consistency and production that earned him an NHL contract as a solid, two-way middle 6 winger.

There's no definitive reason at this point to think Tomasino can't follow a very similar path. Although Phil's physicality and defensive game are behind where Tolvanen was. In the right system, Phil is trending towards possibly being a second scoring line sort of winger (like what Fiala was when he was here). For this Preds team and in this system, Tomasino is positioned for being traded or someone else's waiver wire claim.

I don't believe that Phil's physicality is behind Tolvanen's. Tolvy needed work on his defense and Phil does too. That defensive emphasis by Nashville screwed up Tolvy's offense. I don't doubt that it will screw up Phil's offense too.

Nashville is poor at developing forwards. It will continue under Trotz and Bruno. BTW, Karl Taylor is good at developing forwards!

 

[nine_inch_fang]

If you're going to be BAD on the defensive side of the puck in the NHL then you better put the puck in the net....a lot.

"Middle six" wingers that are going to top out at 40ish points a year can't be BAD at defense. If they are, they're a negative value player.

 

[triggrman]

I don't believe that Phil's physicality is behind Tolvanen's. Tolvy needed work on his defense and Phil does too. That defensive emphasis by Nashville screwed up Tolvy's offense. I don't doubt that it will screw up Phil's offense too.

Nashville is poor at developing forwards. It will continue under Trotz and Bruno. BTW, Karl Taylor is good at developing forwards!

All this after 1 season……

 

[Kat Predator]

I don't believe that Phil's physicality is behind Tolvanen's. Tolvy needed work on his defense and Phil does too. That defensive emphasis by Nashville screwed up Tolvy's offense. I don't doubt that it will screw up Phil's offense too.

Nashville is poor at developing forwards. It will continue under Trotz and Bruno. BTW, Karl Taylor is good at developing forwards!

Honestly, expecting a kid at 18, 19, etc. to be ready to mix it up night after night in a heavy game with full grown men in the NHL is unrealistic. That's not the kid's fault.

I fully expect us to give up on Tomasino and him to reappear with another team as a useful player.

 

[glenngineer]

I don't believe that Phil's physicality is behind Tolvanen's. Tolvy needed work on his defense and Phil does too. That defensive emphasis by Nashville screwed up Tolvy's offense. I don't doubt that it will screw up Phil's offense too.

Nashville is poor at developing forwards. It will continue under Trotz and Bruno. BTW, Karl Taylor is good at developing forwards!

Taylor isn’t. Outside of Evangelista, show me a top 6 talent he’s developed.

While he’s had a good run in Milwaukee by wins/losses, that doesn’t mean he’s producing higher end NHL quality players.

 

[Byrddog]

The Tennessean article notes the question I have been considering. Who is going to center the second line. Both Stammer and March can fill the net. Stammer still has one of the best one timers in the league and is lethal on the PP but each of them are going to require someone to accurately feed them the puck. Something the Preds have struggled with outside the top line. ROR could provide this on the PP as well as the net front like Point did in Tampa. 19 of Stammers 40 last year were on the PP, with FF9 having 13 on the PP it just makes sense to move Stammer and March with ROR. 5on5 the Tennessean tilts to Colton to center them mainly because of his FO but I’m not sure if that line would work. If it doesn’t I can hear the reaction of fans now what a mistake Stammer us. You just can not pay a guy 8 mil to be a PP specialist. As terrible as it sounds Johansen would have worked with these two, his pass first attitude is what is needed. I mean look at Kuch he had 144 points and another year of 128 assists a heavy portion. Now it’s all speculation but potentially this top 6 could be lethal and create matching nightmares . The center does not have to be perfect 5 on 5 heck Stammer carried Cirelli after he could not play on the wing and was put in as 2C. Trotz has potentially put together the best top 5 Nashville has had. It is going to take a while to gel it may be Jan.

 

[triggrman]

I’d give Novak a shot at scoring line center. He has the skill

 

[hido]

The Tennessean article notes the question I have been considering. Who is going to center the second line. Both Stammer and March can fill the net. Stammer still has one of the best one timers in the league and is lethal on the PP but each of them are going to require someone to accurately feed them the puck. Something the Preds have struggled with outside the top line. ROR could provide this on the PP as well as the net front like Point did in Tampa. 19 of Stammers 40 last year were on the PP, with FF9 having 13 on the PP it just makes sense to move Stammer and March with ROR. 5on5 the Tennessean tilts to Colton to center them mainly because of his FO but I’m not sure if that line would work. If it doesn’t I can hear the reaction of fans now what a mistake Stammer us. You just can not pay a guy 8 mil to be a PP specialist. As terrible as it sounds Johansen would have worked with these two, his pass first attitude is what is needed. I mean look at Kuch he had 144 points and another year of 128 assists a heavy portion. Now it’s all speculation but potentially this top 6 could be lethal and create matching nightmares . The center does not have to be perfect 5 on 5 heck Stammer carried Cirelli after he could not play on the wing and was put in as 2C. Trotz has potentially put together the best top 5 Nashville has had. It is going to take a while to gel it may be Jan.

Stamkos was 3% points better on FOs than Sissons last year.

 

[David Singleton]

I’d give Novak a shot at scoring line center. He has the skill

Agreed.

Outside of face-offs (potentially, I've not checked), Novak has the best matching skill set for a line that has Stamkos and Marchessault. Stamkos can take draws if/when needed (5v5) and then rotate.

I think he gets the first opportunity.

 

[Byrddog]

Stamkos was 3% points better on FOs than Sissons last year.

Stammer was not the primary FO guy for any situation while his % did lead the team Nick Paul and Cirelli took almost 1,000 face off each and Stammer was over 700. To play to his scoring strengths it is better for him not too.

I fully expect March to benifit , it’s exciting to think that the 2nd line can have two players with more than 70 points and it opens up the 1st line to be more effective.

 

[ShagDaddy]

The Tennessean article notes the question I have been considering. Who is going to center the second line. Both Stammer and March can fill the net. Stammer still has one of the best one timers in the league and is lethal on the PP but each of them are going to require someone to accurately feed them the puck. Something the Preds have struggled with outside the top line. ROR could provide this on the PP as well as the net front like Point did in Tampa. 19 of Stammers 40 last year were on the PP, with FF9 having 13 on the PP it just makes sense to move Stammer and March with ROR. 5on5 the Tennessean tilts to Colton to center them mainly because of his FO but I’m not sure if that line would work. If it doesn’t I can hear the reaction of fans now what a mistake Stammer us. You just can not pay a guy 8 mil to be a PP specialist. As terrible as it sounds Johansen would have worked with these two, his pass first attitude is what is needed. I mean look at Kuch he had 144 points and another year of 128 assists a heavy portion. Now it’s all speculation but potentially this top 6 could be lethal and create matching nightmares . The center does not have to be perfect 5 on 5 heck Stammer carried Cirelli after he could not play on the wing and was put in as 2C. Trotz has potentially put together the best top 5 Nashville has had. It is going to take a while to gel it may be Jan.

Daugherty thinking Sissons should be the 2C this season is just further evidence that he typically doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

 

[Gh24]

Stammer was not the primary FO guy for any situation while his % did lead the team Nick Paul and Cirelli took almost 1,000 face off each and Stammer was over 700. To play to his scoring strengths it is better for him not too.

On the other hand, it's easier to create scoring chances if you have the puck.

Perhaps Stammer could take more neutral and d-zone fo's and Novak o-zone ones. In the o-zone the rationale is simply that the times you win you're close to a dangerous opportunity, while in other zones the possession weights more.

 

[Byrddog]

Daugherty thinking Sissons should be the 2C this season is just further evidence that he typically doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

Perhaps but the sports journalist or most of them attempt to open up lines of thought commonly unpopular with fans. A portion allow their fandom to interfere as well. Opinions often gets criticized I have sure experienced that. I’m not sold Sissions would be effective either but I’m not sure Novak would be either, the thing is someone will have to center that line. Will they fit the hole perfect probably not but I know this from watching Stammer since he was a rookie. He is best when his linemates have exceptional passing ability. He uses misdirection as good as any player in the league this is why he Kuch and Point and Alex Killorn worked so well on the PP. Killorn working behind the net releasing the puck to the other three Stammer and Kuch with onetimers and Point in front of the net. ROR will fill the role that Killorn did and coaching will be looking or should be looking for a good passing center with good hands for net front work on the PP. I really think the Preds PP can reach that 25% level eventually. That’s a big thing how many more games will they win with this improvement alone?

 

[Armourboy]

Daugherty thinking Sissons should be the 2C this season is just further evidence that he typically doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

Who is he? If he is local media then yeah he probably doesn't have a clue. Even the ones we have that watch it every night don't even know what they are looking at half the time.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Who is he? If he is local media then yeah he probably doesn't have a clue. Even the ones we have that watch it every night don't even know what they are looking at half the time.

He's a local blogger that is now the Tennessean Pred's beat writer.