Post-Game Talk: Pre-season - 10/08/2022 - New York Rangers @ New York Islanders - 7pm EST - MSG
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I hope Schneider cleans up his game because he got burned bad tonight and has been pretty blah this preseason
Rangers looked a little disjointed, meh. Hopefully they're sharper when regular season starts. Definitely saw some things clicking well at times but a little too inconsistent gaining the zone on attacks and setting up.
Despite his terrible pass on that first goal against, Trochek looks like he was working well with Panarin on some stuff. Vesey just seemed a passenger for the most part. Panarin looks active and shooting the puck more
Kakko looks good on the top line, kid line looks less effective without him. LOved to see him taking that shot and scoring
Jones was very active and didn't get burned by it but I can see he's occasionally going to make some very visable gaffs or turnovers. He should absolutely be the 6 LD though
Tired of watching Bartowski and Tinordi play
Carpenter was...alright?
Meh team just isn't tight and clicking yet.
Rangers looked a little disjointed, meh. Hopefully they're sharper when regular season starts. Definitely saw some things clicking well at times but a little too inconsistent gaining the zone on attacks and setting up.
Despite his terrible pass on that first goal against, Trochek looks like he was working well with Panarin on some stuff. Vesey just seemed a passenger for the most part. Panarin looks active and shooting the puck more
Kakko looks good on the top line, kid line looks less effective without him. LOved to see him taking that shot and scoring
Jones was very active and didn't get burned by it but I can see he's occasionally going to make some very visable gaffs or turnovers. He should absolutely be the 6 LD though
Tired of watching Bartowski and Tinordi play
Carpenter was...alright?
Meh team just isn't tight and clicking yet.
It happened at times last year and preseason as well but he gets pulled out of position being over aggressive in chasing sometimes or reaching a bit too much at times. He needs to learn a bit more patience and using his positioning
When he's on he can play well but yeah sometimes gets himself chasing or reaching too much
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Pre-season is too long. Three games is enough.
Going by pre-season commentary here, if the Rangers lose on Tuesday, this place will look like the Rangers have already been eliminated from the playoffs.
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No. If we look like garbage and the lines are clearly terrible, this place will look like the Rangers have been eliminated from the playoffs.
Close game where we play well? This place will be fine for the most part.
If they lose, the negativity will be flying.
Like it does after every game they lose.
Guarantee that the posters who roast Gallant multiple times in every thread will continue. Some of them will do so, even if the Rangers win.
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If we win and the lines aren’t to everyone’s liking, there will be bitching
Definitely, he even says so much himself after the fact (wasn’t going to tell you guys).
But with that said, I am a bit allergic to some discussions about a coach having favorites.
When picking a roster, a coach should of course pick the roster that gets his team the best chance achieve it whatever motive the team has. Right? That is of course never the same as picking the players that on some objective level played the best in camp. Got most votes for top 3 stars after games or whatever.
Then there are a thousand aspects to this question. Some coaches do not award good play and do not punish bad play, which might impact motivation. Etc etc etc.
But ultimately I think just assuming that it’s about “favorites” creates a ton of misunderstandings and is not in any way constructive.
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Advanced stats were way in our favor that game. I know the Islanders didn't get a lot of shots, but it didn't feel like it. Surprisingly Kakko to line 1 made them possess the puck way more and taking him from line 3 made them our worst line. So many thought he was a passenger. One meaningless pre season game says otherwise.
I mean you’re replacing a possession guy like Kakko with f***ing goodrow. So yes that’s going to happen. I thought laf and Chytil looked good, but it was basically 2 forwards instead of a full third line.
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There have been plenty of statistically significant data points in the past that suggested Kakko has always been the possession driver on whatever line he’s on.
Everyone - including our own coach - completely denies the data though.
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It’s a waste when you’re playing scrubs that have .005% chances of making the squad.
I look back this past year and think of the time after the break when Morgan Barron was the only spare forward on the Rangers roster due to some injury and Gallant decided to play 7D-11Fowards rather than start Baron. No proof but I always had the impression that there was some biased against Morgan from Gallant.
Gallant had said in Post Game interviews previously when he lost a forward through either injury or ejection that he would much rather roll four lines. Yet when it came to playing Baron when he was the only forward left to dress 12 he went with 11.
This post-season I’ve noticed in interviews that when a reporter brings up Jones, Gallant is quick to point out “well Hajek too” is in the mix.
Same with Kravtsov? If so this is where Drury’s needs to step in and say to Gallant that there is a bigger picture in play here not in just icing the team that Gallant feels wins regular season game in the short term. It’s about developing assets not just for trade chips but for the playoff push. Sometimes you need to lose a few battles to win a war.
Being all that said I still am Happy that Gerard Gallant is coaching this team. Just want Drury to do what good G.M.s do.
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Meanwhile Butch and Burke were trying to cite the rulebook (their made up one) to say it was just a hard hit that got penalized for being to hard smh
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Once they read the definition on why it was called a charge, Butch agreed. But it was odd to see him see the feet leave and still try to justify it being a good hit because he didn't think it was a charge. Like, even if you didn't know the actual rule, it's still a bad hit.
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I think Trocheck and Panarin have looked good individually. They've had some nice plays throughout but there is definitely a feeling out process.
Having dead weight on the Right Side does not help. Laffy or Kravtsov. Do not over think it.
Having dead weight on the Right Side does not help. Laffy or Kravtsov. Do not over think it.
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Game last night changed after the first goal was scored. Rangers were moving the puck well in the first period, finding open lanes and missing the net with some corners they were trying to pick. The goal was sloppy and they never recovered.
Schneider is doing too much. He's trying to be Miller skating with the puck. He's not Miller. Simplifying the game doesn't mean you can't further develop. He's a tough kid with size but he's not very strong on his skates. He gets rubbed off the puck rather easier and isn't very balanced in his skating stance.
Trocheck is out of position but he's new to that line so I'll wait a little before judging him.
The powerplay looked play and Panarin is still forcing everything.
Best game Carpenter had.
I think the Vesey experiment ended. Our RW depth is lackluster. Laf, Chytil, Kakko works, but Kakko's play has put himself into a top 6 spot.
Schneider is doing too much. He's trying to be Miller skating with the puck. He's not Miller. Simplifying the game doesn't mean you can't further develop. He's a tough kid with size but he's not very strong on his skates. He gets rubbed off the puck rather easier and isn't very balanced in his skating stance.
Trocheck is out of position but he's new to that line so I'll wait a little before judging him.
The powerplay looked play and Panarin is still forcing everything.
Best game Carpenter had.
I think the Vesey experiment ended. Our RW depth is lackluster. Laf, Chytil, Kakko works, but Kakko's play has put himself into a top 6 spot.
An Islanders classic. If they score first it's near impossible to win. Barzal looks motivated too. I thought before last night that people were too quick to count off the isles this year. They're a year older but they had a long summer and they've got an elite goaltending duo.
There are two things I think must be taken into account here.
1. I think of Jones a lot in this perspective. I am a big Jones fan, I think we underrate his ability to get things done and I think we overrated the competitors especially last season and especially Nemeth, who I thought was a horrible signing.
BUT, with that said, if Gallant looks at Jones and comes to the conclusion -- against the back ground of his vast experience of what it takes to go deep during a NHL season -- and comes to the conclusion 'I think we can rule out the possibility that he can reach the level of durability and consistency to be a defender that can survive a long NHL season and then a long grueling POs' -- can I say that he is wrong? Nah, its hard to argue that such opinion is 100% wrong. We all saw how fast Schenider tackled of in the POs.
I bring him up as an example because from our POV -- we look at positives and succesful plays and rate them. But you don't survive 82 regular season games and a long PO run by chance. You do it by being extremly diligent, developing the right habits on and off the ice in all imaginable ways. Right? If a kid isn't there yet, you 100% just set him up to fail if you play him.
2. One thing that Gallant de facto has had pay off a lot for this franchise is to manage games by using pure role players. We didn't just win a lot of games by chance or through Shesty standing on his head -- we all know that great goaltending never is enough alone. There is no way Shesty could have carried us to the pretty stellar record we had -- if we didn't play a fairly composed and consistent game. Some will say consistently bad, which is true to some extent, but ultimately what you must avoid more than anything in the NHL is the worst breakdowns. You can survive playing "5 man PK" fairly well, but its when you lose the battle infront of your own net that you lose games, its when 4 players think you are doing one thing on the ice and the 5th wtih the puck does something else that you really become vunerable and so forth.
I am also a big Kravy fan. But honestly -- we are not the same team if we take out Hunt and insert Kravy and take out Reaves and insert someone like Spooner or Etem or Namestnikov on the 4th line like we always did under Gorton, to last season's team.
Gallant is certainly not perfect, but he isn't completely lost either. There is a reason he formates the team the way he does, and its not because the depth role players are his "favorites". It is because he basically sees a value in being consistently bad vs. other alternatives.
Ultimately, I am definitely not saying that certain opinions aren't viable or that someone can't think that "X" should play over "Y". I am just saying that I we are making it a little bit too easy for ourselves if we reach the point where we think that the coach just plays certain guys because they are his "favorites".
