Power vs L. Hughes vs Edvinsson vs Clarke

[dgibb10]

Only advanced stats matter. Nothing else.

These teams will be playing in future playoff games and if this guy does this:

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Imagine what edvinsson is gonna do.

No Mr Seider post is not food

Might be time to hit the weight room Mo if you're getting sent flying by Jack Hughes reverse hits. Nice sell job tho.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Not the claim I am making at all.

I am pointing out the stupidity of your claim about help when I know that you think Edvinsson has a SIGNIFICANTLY better partner, and that if I actually went and asked you about the forwards, you would favour a significant number of detroits.

I can almost guarantee that you think Seider is significantly better than pesce, and that Detroits 1st and 4th lines have better players than NJD. (I'm less confident about line 3, but I still expect that you think it's the case).

Answer the question.

Pesce vs Seider

and each of the lines.

And yet you are claiming that there is a MASSIVE gap in help around him favouring Luke.

And if we compared Nico to Larkin you'd say the same thing and so on and so on and so on.

It's a weak argument by fans of bad teams to make themselves feel better. Blame it on having "less help" and then apply that to every single player on your team.

Everything in this post is completely made up in your own head.

And yet you are claiming that there is a MASSIVE gap in help around him favouring Luke.

Where was this claim for example?

Luke leads the entire league in xG% among defenseman (>200 mins) at 60.1%. Playing on a good team obviously helps, but he takes that team from good to great when he's on the ice. That's not an easy thing to do.

It may not be easy, but it's not like he's breaking the mold on the Devils. Every D but Hamilton is above 55% and Kovacevic for example is right up there with Hughes. Among forwards Meier, Hischier, Hughes, Tatar etc. are all going in the 58-61% range and no regulars are below 50%.

Meanwhile Edvinsson is the only d-man above 50% on Detroit. His relative xGF% is more than twice as good as Hughes. It's like Edvinsson is able to float above the massive gravity that is dragging down nearly the entirety of the rest of the roster. To me, that's more impressive than Hughes numbers.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It may not be easy, but it's not like he's breaking the mold on the Devils. Every D but Hamilton is above 55% and Kovacevic for example is right up there with Hughes. Among forwards Meier, Hischier, Hughes, Tatar etc. are all going in the 58-61% range and no regulars are below 50%.

Meanwhile Edvinsson is the only d-man above 50% on Detroit. His relative xGF% is more than twice as good as Hughes.

It's a lot easier to have an inflated rel xG% on a terrible team. it's still impressive, but Hughes would have to be at ~65% to get the same rel xG%. It's just not realistic.

It's like Edvinsson is able to float above the massive gravity that is dragging down nearly the entirety of the rest of the roster. To me, that's more impressive than Hughes numbers.

Debrincat and Kasper are also floating above that gravity. Larkin, Raymond, Berggren, and Maatta are all in 48-51% range as well.

 

[dgibb10]

Everything in this post is completely made up in your own head.


Where was this claim for example?


It may not be easy, but it's not like he's breaking the mold on the Devils. Every D but Hamilton is above 55% and Kovacevic for example is right up there with Hughes. Among forwards Meier, Hischier, Hughes, Tatar etc. are all going in the 58-61% range and no regulars are below 50%.

Meanwhile Edvinsson is the only d-man above 50% on Detroit. His relative xGF% is more than twice as good as Hughes. It's like Edvinsson is able to float above the massive gravity that is dragging down nearly the entirety of the rest of the roster. To me, that's more impressive than Hughes numbers.

Yes, Kovy Siegs and Dillon-Hamilton are also quality defensive pairs. 3 excellent pairings.

Seider-Edvinsson being better than Chiarot, Holl, Petry, and Gustafsson isn't some crazy accomplishment.

Meanwhile after today Luke Hughes will likely move to 1st in the league in xGoals% (minimum 200 minutes) at around 61.5%.

At a certain point when does it stop. What more could luke possibly do beyond 1st in the f***ing league.

 

[dgibb10]

It's a lot easier to have an inflated rel xG% on a terrible team. it's still impressive, but Hughes would have to be at ~65% to get the same rel xG%. It's just not realistic.

Debrincat and Kasper are also floating above that gravity. Larkin, Raymond, Berggren, and Maatta are all in 48-51% range as well.

Yup. If the claim is

"the gap between Edvinsson-Seider and Petry,Holl,Chiarot, Gustafsson is bigger than the gap between Luke-Pesce and Dougie-Dillon and Siegs-Kovy"

That would be true.

 

[biturbo19]

I'd say Luke Hughes is clearly at the top of this heap and still just getting better.

Then Owen Power, and Simon Edvinsson seems to be making a case for that he's in that class with the potential to overtake Power.

Then Clarke brings up the rear.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Do you honestly believe, with what Detroit has cooking, that they won't make a playoff appearance in the future?

Or is it just hyperbole?

Maybe new jerseys window closes in the next few years just as Detroit's is opening up.

What Detroit has cooking

 

[Hisch13r]

I'd say Luke Hughes is clearly at the top of this heap and still just getting better.

Then Owen Power, and Simon Edvinsson seems to be making a case for that he's in that class with the potential to overtake Power.

Then Clarke brings up the rear.

I think Power’s 4th. I think there’s a clear divide between the top 2 and bottom 2. Bottom 2 are going to be good offensive Dmen but I think the defense will be lackluster. Edvinsson and Hughes will be much better defensively. Edvinsson the best defensively but I don’t think he’ll be as good offensively as Luke. I think Luke’s the two way star of the bunch.

 

[biturbo19]

I think Power’s 4th. I think there’s a clear divide between the top 2 and bottom 2. Bottom 2 are going to be good offensive Dmen but I think the defense will be lackluster. Edvinsson and Hughes will be much better defensively. Edvinsson the best defensively but I don’t think he’ll be as good offensively as Luke. I think Luke’s the two way star of the bunch.

Part of what puts Luke above the rest for me, is probably bias in watching what Quinton has done, with just getting better and making those exponential leaps year over year. See a lot of the same starting to happen with Luke.


With Edvinsson, i'd agree...he could very realistically become the best of the bunch defensively, but i'm not sure how much offense will come with that.

Power to me is a tough read in some ways. The offense is there, and there's really no particularly reason to think that the defensive side won't eventually come. But he's definitely a lot more passive defensively and has some pretty brutal moments. If he can cut down on those "ooopsie" moments though, i think he's got every ability to be a solid defensive player. He's got all the tools and he seems to generally be a pretty smart player with good vision on the ice.

 

[Kingfan1967]

the stats for them so far in 2024

Power (Buffalo 87gf 95ga -8 diff) DOB 11/22/02

29

4

15

19

-1

6

22:26

Edvinsson (Detroit 74gf 92ga -18) DOB 02/05/03

28

3

10

13

6

12

21:16

Hughes (New Jersey 110gf 86ga +24) DOB 09/09/03

24

1

9

10

1

6

19:06

Clarke (Los Angeles 92gf 76ga +16) DOB 02/09/03

30

3

14

17

6

22

18:12

ranking offense
Power
Clarke
Edvinsson
Hughes (should be higher playing on the better offensive team)

ranking defense
Edvinsson (being a +6 on a negative team)
Clarke
Power
Hughes (+1 on a +24 isn't a good look)

Overall
1) Power (a true #1)
2a) Clarke (2nd/3rd pair, needs more ice time)
2b) Edvinsson (more offense would be nice)
4) Hughes (needs to show more - 7 months younger than Clarke/Edvinsson hurts him a little too).

 

[MasterofGrond]

the stats for them so far in 2024

Power (Buffalo 87gf 95ga -8 diff) DOB 11/22/02

29

4

15

19

-1

6

22:26

Edvinsson (Detroit 74gf 92ga -18) DOB 02/05/03

28

3

10

13

6

12

21:16

Hughes (New Jersey 110gf 86ga +24) DOB 09/09/03

24

1

9

10

1

6

19:06

Clarke (Los Angeles 92gf 76ga +16) DOB 02/09/03

30

3

14

17

6

22

18:12

ranking offense
Power
Clarke
Edvinsson
Hughes (should be higher playing on the better offensive team)

ranking defense
Edvinsson (being a +6 on a negative team)
Clarke
Power
Hughes (+1 on a +24 isn't a good look)

Overall
1) Power (a true #1)
2a) Clarke (2nd/3rd pair, needs more ice time)
2b) Edvinsson (more offense would be nice)
4) Hughes (needs to show more - 7 months younger than Clarke/Edvinsson hurts him a little too).

LMAO

incredible bit

 

[dgibb10]

LMAO

incredible bit

NJD has let in 10 goals total in Luke's 410 minutes of play 5v5 lmao

 

[dgibb10]

Part of what puts Luke above the rest for me, is probably bias in watching what Quinton has done, with just getting better and making those exponential leaps year over year. See a lot of the same starting to happen with Luke.


With Edvinsson, i'd agree...he could very realistically become the best of the bunch defensively, but i'm not sure how much offense will come with that.

Power to me is a tough read in some ways. The offense is there, and there's really no particularly reason to think that the defensive side won't eventually come. But he's definitely a lot more passive defensively and has some pretty brutal moments. If he can cut down on those "ooopsie" moments though, i think he's got every ability to be a solid defensive player. He's got all the tools and he seems to generally be a pretty smart player with good vision on the ice.

6 foot 3 Hughes bro go vroom vroom (he's the fastest skater of the 3 as well, not as elusive but his top speed and acceleration is better)

 

[Hisch13r]

Part of what puts Luke above the rest for me, is probably bias in watching what Quinton has done, with just getting better and making those exponential leaps year over year. See a lot of the same starting to happen with Luke.


With Edvinsson, i'd agree...he could very realistically become the best of the bunch defensively, but i'm not sure how much offense will come with that.

Power to me is a tough read in some ways. The offense is there, and there's really no particularly reason to think that the defensive side won't eventually come. But he's definitely a lot more passive defensively and has some pretty brutal moments. If he can cut down on those "ooopsie" moments though, i think he's got every ability to be a solid defensive player. He's got all the tools and he seems to generally be a pretty smart player with good vision on the ice.

While I agree the tools are there for Power to be good defensively I’ve just never liked the way he’s defended at any level. I’ll acknowledge I could be wrong here because I do see how he becomes a solid defender but I just don’t see it happening. Nemec kind of reminds me of Power but just worse at like everything than Power is

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

the stats for them so far in 2024

Power (Buffalo 87gf 95ga -8 diff) DOB 11/22/02

29

4

15

19

-1

6

22:26

Edvinsson (Detroit 74gf 92ga -18) DOB 02/05/03

28

3

10

13

6

12

21:16

Hughes (New Jersey 110gf 86ga +24) DOB 09/09/03

24

1

9

10

1

6

19:06

Clarke (Los Angeles 92gf 76ga +16) DOB 02/09/03

30

3

14

17

6

22

18:12

ranking offense
Power
Clarke
Edvinsson
Hughes (should be higher playing on the better offensive team)

ranking defense
Edvinsson (being a +6 on a negative team)
Clarke
Power
Hughes (+1 on a +24 isn't a good look)

Overall
1) Power (a true #1)
2a) Clarke (2nd/3rd pair, needs more ice time)
2b) Edvinsson (more offense would be nice)
4) Hughes (needs to show more - 7 months younger than Clarke/Edvinsson hurts him a little too).

This is a joke right?