Potential NEW Leafs Line up:

[Face Of Bear]

Aren't their advanced stats excellent when paired together.

Check your stuff

I think it goes without saying that there's more to hockey than advanced stats.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Please skip to 8:13 and hear it from guys that know what the hell they're talking about

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[kb]

But holl in makes them a cup winner? your faded bro

Tampa won by NOT playing him in 2 finals. Tampa won by limiting his minutes to 10 or so on average in the 19 of the 49 games he managed to dress for....most were for injury replacement

Make with that what you will.

I will reiterate that if Luke Schenn is one of the 6 best D on your team's roster, your team isn't good enough to win.

 

[Future]

Really struggling to comprehend how anyone can dislike this trade. Schenn is a 6/7th D with size, grit, and strong defensive play. He can rotate in depending on the matchups and play of those in front of him.

Why bother discussing his play from years back? Especially since he's been very solid for Vancouver and should play his role for us quite nicely.

 

[kb]

Really struggling to comprehend how anyone can dislike this trade. Schenn is a 6/7th D with size, grit, and strong defensive play. He can rotate in depending on the matchups and play of those in front of him.

Why bother discussing his play from years back? Especially since he's been very solid for Vancouver and should play his role for us quite nicely.

I dislike it if he is going to play every game.

Situational usage occasionally based on opponent? Sure.....

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

I don't understand these changes after O'Reilly. That lineup after O'Reilly trade is just moving sideways while throwing picks away (actually got much worse for the non-O'reilly parts if sandin hits his potential). Should have just saved the picks and went with just O'Reilly if we weren't getting another impact guy.

 

[Nhlpowerweek]

I dislike it if he is going to play every game.

Situational usage occasionally based on opponent? Sure.....

That's how they go I'm sure with him. He finna hit some and fight some noses off. Even get suspended, but thats exactly what we WANT. HIM to take other players out the game and bruise them hard. Then we will play with our other talented players whom we',ll now have. We are going to win the cup easily this time. Others might be jelious to js, but dont be alarmed. Its a death sin.

 

[Future]

I don't understand these changes after O'Reilly. That lineup after O'Reilly trade is just moving sideways while throwing picks away (actually got much worse for the non-O'reilly parts if sandin hits his potential). Should have just saved the picks and went with just O'Reilly if we weren't getting another impact guy.

Sideways?

McCabe > Sandin
Lafferty > Engvall

Not to mention their contract statuses. Lafferty is making 1m next year, McCabe is a top 4 D locked up at 2m per for another 2 seasons after this one. Sandin and Engvall will be due for new contracts for the upcoming season and will be making more than both of them.

Adding Schenn as a depth move and Gustafson (not convinced he's staying) on top of that makes us a deeper team and allows us to throw different looks at our opponents depending on the matchups.

 

[Ashdown2]

Really struggling to comprehend how anyone can dislike this trade. Schenn is a 6/7th D with size, grit, and strong defensive play. He can rotate in depending on the matchups and play of those in front of him.

Why bother discussing his play from years back? Especially since he's been very solid for Vancouver and should play his role for us quite nicely.

i think its a kneejerk reaction to ppl thinking hes a penciled in as 4 guy .... but in reality he's a fringe starter on a championship level team.
does he move the needle,.... IMO not at all, he probably doesnt even play 50% of the games. .... was it worth the pick ??? not sure yet because the only d being traded right now are the top tier guys, so we dont have comparable yet.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I don't understand these changes after O'Reilly. That lineup after O'Reilly trade is just moving sideways while throwing picks away (actually got much worse for the non-O'reilly parts if sandin hits his potential). Should have just saved the picks and went with just O'Reilly if we weren't getting another impact guy.

But we have more high picks now than we did after the O’Rielly trade and have guys we can flip like McCabe for another 1st back next deadline if we need to. I’d be disappointed if the 1st we got back is used on incremental changes but we have enough for a competitive package on an impact player this deadline or next without sacrificing any team or existing prospect depth.

 

[Leafsfan74]

What needs to be clesr is that this.team is in the playoffs. This is now a playoff style roster.

One has to remove emotion out of the game compare lineups objectively from two weeks ago to now. You want a tesm that is difficult to play against. Men who will sscdifice it all to wn. Flash rarely wins Cups. You need skill AND determination.

 

[The Iceman]

I don't understand these changes after O'Reilly. That lineup after O'Reilly trade is just moving sideways while throwing picks away (actually got much worse for the non-O'reilly parts if sandin hits his potential). Should have just saved the picks and went with just O'Reilly if we weren't getting another impact guy.

If you think the Leafs D was not improved acquiring McCabe I am not sure what to say.

Sideways...did you not watch the playoffs the last 3 seasons?
Leafs were soft, top guys were not protected, bottom 6 brought nothing to the party and we lost our best and most physical playoff D since then.

I am pretty sure you will change your mind watching the team down the stretch.

 

[Machinae]

Just like Tampa paid 5 picks for a forechecker, Leafs are going to be playing Schenn over someone whos an overall better player because they NEED toughness on defense. They need to clear the net.

This defense is about to go to war against Tampa and Bostons forecheck. McCabe and Schenn changes thing significantly.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I don't understand these changes after O'Reilly. That lineup after O'Reilly trade is just moving sideways while throwing picks away (actually got much worse for the non-O'reilly parts if sandin hits his potential). Should have just saved the picks and went with just O'Reilly if we weren't getting another impact guy.

Maybe after 5 years of wasting the core with just inserting the tip, the time was right to go all in.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Many will disagree with my proposed lines. I'm in favour of masking our first line. Make the opponent decided when to put out their shutdown line:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Michael Bunting[/TD]
[TD]Auston Matthews[/TD]
[TD]Sam Lafferty[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Calle Jarnkrok[/TD]
[TD]John Tavares[/TD]
[TD]Mitch Marner[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alexander Kerfoot[/TD]
[TD]Ryan O'Reilly[/TD]
[TD]William Nylander[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pierre Engvall[/TD]
[TD]Noel Acciari[/TD]
[TD]David Kampf[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Matthews can make it work on his own. The Marner, Tavares, Jarnkrok line has looked good, O'Reilly, Kerfoot, Nylander has play-making, scoring and elements of a 200 foot game, 4th line is rockin' with Acciari, Engvall, and Kampf.

Matthews hasn't been making it work on his own - he benefits greatly from having either Mitch or Willy feed him.

And why have your leading scorer and best playoff performer on the third line?

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Many will disagree with my proposed lines. I'm in favour of masking our first line. Make the opponent decided when to put out their shutdown line:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Michael Bunting[/TD]
[TD]Auston Matthews[/TD]
[TD]Sam Lafferty[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Calle Jarnkrok[/TD]
[TD]John Tavares[/TD]
[TD]Mitch Marner[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alexander Kerfoot[/TD]
[TD]Ryan O'Reilly[/TD]
[TD]William Nylander[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pierre Engvall[/TD]
[TD]Noel Acciari[/TD]
[TD]David Kampf[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Matthews can make it work on his own. The Marner, Tavares, Jarnkrok line has looked good, O'Reilly, Kerfoot, Nylander has play-making, scoring and elements of a 200 foot game, 4th line is rockin' with Acciari, Engvall, and Kampf.

 

[Kyle089]

It will probably change again based on how Dubas is cooking lol, but as of right now I'd go:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Tavares - O'Reilly - Nylander
Kerfoot - Acciary - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - Lafferty

McCabe - Brodie
Rielly - Liljegren
Giordano - Schenn/Holl

 

[Puckstuff]

I don't understand these changes after O'Reilly. That lineup after O'Reilly trade is just moving sideways while throwing picks away (actually got much worse for the non-O'reilly parts if sandin hits his potential). Should have just saved the picks and went with just O'Reilly if we weren't getting another impact guy.

Basically this deadline we got O’Reilly for picks and upgraded from Sandin to McCabe. This is really the only major improvement I see.

Schenn as a 6th/7th D could be good, but I consider this a minor improvement since Holl is a pretty decent #6 D in his own right. It’s a decent add and he could perform but it’s more of a depth guy imo.

Lafferty and Accarai are the new toys and may prove to be upgrades on Engvall, Holmberg, McMann, Anderson, etc but I don’t think it’s an earth shattering difference here. It’s replacement level parts for replacement level parts with slightly more edge. But if Lafferty gets a short handed goal in the playoffs and these guys add to the character of the room it’s a win.

So in essence,

1. Add O’Reilly
2. Upgrade from Sandin to McCabe.
3. Swap out depth guys for slightly more physical depth guys.

 

[Puckstuff]

Daily Faceoff


But I would personally have it as of right now:


Bunting - Matthews - Marner/Willy
Tavaras - O'Reilly - Willy/Marner
Kerfoot - Kampf - Engvall/Jarnkrok
Lafferty - Acairri - ZAR

Knies, (Engvall/Jarnkrok), Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Lilygren
Gio - Holl/Timmins

Sandin, Benn (Sandin could easily replace Holl/Timmins if they falter but doesn't play well on his right side and Holls better at PK)

Murray/Samsonov (whoever's running hot and healthy)

Woll, Kallgren


Thinking we run this line up for a few games and experiment with chemistry.

3rd and 4th line minutes are split depending on which line is more effect in shutting teams down ("do we have to be physical defensive or skillfully defense today?" Both are fast either way)

Lilygren

 

[123offtheglass]

Game 1 against Tampa:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Tavares - O’Reilly - Nylander
Knies/ZAR - Acciari - Kerfoot
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Lafferty

Extras:
- McMann, Holmberg, Simmonds, Hunt, Clifford, Steeves

McCabe - Brodie
Rielly - Schenn
Giordano - Liljegren

Extras:
- Gustafsson, Holl, Timmins, Benn

Samsonov
Murray

Extra:
- Woll

* Low minutes for Schenn

 

[MJ65]

Game 1 against Tampa:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Tavares - O’Reilly - Nylander
Knies/ZAR - Acciari - Kerfoot
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Lafferty

Extras:
- McMann, Holmberg, Simmonds, Hunt, Clifford, Steeves

McCabe - Brodie
Rielly - Schenn
Giordano - Liljegren

Extras:
- Gustafsson, Holl, Timmins, Benn

Samsonov
Murray

Extra:
- Woll

* Low minutes for Schenn

Lafferty on 3rd line and Gus instead of Luke

Not sure what's the obsession about Luke when we have so many capable/ useful d-men?

 

[MJ65]

This is do or die for him, I would wait until the end of the season

 

[123offtheglass]

Lafferty on 3rd line and Gus instead of Luke

Not sure what's the obsession about Luke when we have so many capable/ useful d-men?

Rielly has always seemed to have chemistry with a stay at home defenseman, Gustafsson is the opposite, he's like Rielly; we've all seen the Rielly-Sandin & Rielly-Barrie experiments... I could see him being in but not regularly alongside Rielly, on seperate pairs but maybe together if it's an offensive zone draw.

Schenn is a guy I'd play depending on the matchup in very low minutes (ie. start of a round against a team like Tampa or Boston). He worked great alongside Quinn Hughes, that can be done here with less minutes.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Bunting Matty Mitch
JT ORielly Willy
Kerfoot ??? Jancrock
Reese Lafferty Acciari

I think we have 1 more move to get a BIG TOUGH 3rd line C to match up against Paul (maybe Kampf goes in deal)

McCabe Brodie
Gio Lily
Rielly Schenn (playing against 3rd and 4th lines only with Rielly as PP guy)

Keep Timmer and Holl in case of injury

Murray
Sammy

 

[mix1home]

Basically this deadline we got O’Reilly for picks and upgraded from Sandin to McCabe. This is really the only major improvement I see.

Schenn as a 6th/7th D could be good, but I consider this a minor improvement since Holl is a pretty decent #6 D in his own right. It’s a decent add and he could perform but it’s more of a depth guy imo.

Lafferty and Accarai are the new toys and may prove to be upgrades on Engvall, Holmberg, McMann, Anderson, etc but I don’t think it’s an earth shattering difference here. It’s replacement level parts for replacement level parts with slightly more edge. But if Lafferty gets a short handed goal in the playoffs and these guys add to the character of the room it’s a win.

So in essence,

1. Add O’Reilly
2. Upgrade from Sandin to McCabe.
3. Swap out depth guys for slightly more physical depth guys.

I would say that those changes are not minor. In my view what is going on in tml front office is that they are trying to improve special teams.
With Ror we potentially can run two dangerous pp units.
Our pk was abysmal and you cannot win in po with that. Now we have more bite on pk and we added 3 good pieces for pk that hopefully improve it a lot.
So, with those moves we not only improved 5vs5 roster, but hopefully also addressed special teams that could actually impact greatly who is out in otherwise even matched rounds.