Post your 2023 Draft List

[vildurson]

Somehow I get the feeling that Pronmans draft list this year is not based on his own opinion so much but he has mixed up a lot of what he has heard on what teams are intending to be drafting.

For example, his statement about Daniil But, top 9 pick in his board:
"Even though I don’t see a high-end trait other than his size, But checks every box and projects to be a major part of an NHL lineup."

Does that scream like top 10 guy in draft?

He seems to give really heavy value for size over anything else nowadays.

I have nothing against But as a player but i just find his analysis bit odd if you think about draft position.

 

[The Puckhound]

Somehow I get the feeling that Pronmans draft list this year is not based on his own opinion so much but he has mixed up a lot of what he has heard on what teams are intending to be drafting.

For example, his statement about Daniil But, top 9 pick in his board:
"Even though I don’t see a high-end trait other than his size, But checks every box and projects to be a major part of an NHL lineup."

Does that scream like top 10 guy in draft?

He seems to give really heavy value for size over anything else nowadays.

He does this every year, especially as the draft gets closer. Last year he made multiple last minute changes within days of the draft clearly based on conversations with NHL teams. It's a strange tactic honestly because A). he's paid to have his own opinion and B). NHL teams often make mistakes as well

 

[Kcoyote3]

By doing do he doesn't have to stand by his own opinions because he's proven "right" by the appeal to authority that he can generate when someone like But does get drafted high.

 

[Castle8130]

In all fairness, Pronman's top 23 last year all went in the 1st round. That is a hard feat.

Also on the But ranking. A lot of people have him top 15 based on what I've heard.

 

[majormajor]

In all fairness, Pronman's top 23 last year all went in the 1st round. That is a hard feat.

The issue is that that isn't the feat you should be trying to emulate.

Mock drafts and rankings should be two different things.

Also on the But ranking. A lot of people have him top 15 based on what I've heard.

No problem with But top 15. 6'5, can fly, soft pass touch. There's a bit of Blake Wheeler there.

 

[vildurson]

The issue is that that isn't the feat you should be trying to emulate.

Mock drafts and rankings should be two different things.



No problem with But top 15. 6'5, can fly, soft pass touch. There's a bit of Blake Wheeler there.

True. You should at least distinguish clearly that one is your draft on how you feel about players and one is mock draft on how you expect draft will go.

Now it's half assed mixed bag even if you just look at how much he moved guys around from his last ranking.

This is kinda getting off topic already but oh well...

 

[57special]

I've always thought that making a distinction between a ranking, and a mock draft, is merely to create an out when things don't pan out for the ranking. If your player ranking doesn't mirror what actually happens on draft day, what good is it?

I've also noticed that those who value junior scoring stats and ignore defensive play use this argument.

 

[Fantomas]

I've always thought that making a distinction between a ranking, and a mock draft, is merely to create an out when things don't pan out for the ranking. If your player ranking doesn't mirror what actually happens on draft day, what good is it?

Very weird take. The purpose of rankings is not to forecast what happens on draft day, but rather to rate players on their potential to flourish as professionals.

Considering that teams always get things wrong at the draft, the person who ranks players should not really concern himself with what happens on draft day.

I recall making a mock draft shortly before the 2017 NHL draft, and I knew that Nolan Patrick would go first or second. But he was not in my personal top 5.

 

[Kevin Musto]

If your player ranking doesn't mirror what actually happens on draft day, what good is it?

That's what a mock is for, not a ranking.

A mock is supposed to accurately predict what happens on draft day.

A ranking is supposed to predict who is actually going to be the best 5+ years from now once the dust has actually settled.

 

[57special]

Very weird take. The purpose of rankings is not to forecast what happens on draft day, but rather to rate players on their potential to flourish as professionals.

Considering that teams always get things wrong at the draft, the person who ranks players should not really concern himself with what happens on draft day.

And the rankers get it right? C'mon. You hear about it endlessly when they hit on a prospect they ranked highly, but they are nowhere to be found, otherwise.

I will listen a bit more to some of the Euro, and especially Russian "rankers", because they are underscouted, I believe, and underdrafted, but otherwise ... it's an excuse for their inability to look beyond numbers. Any idiot can look at a stat sheet.

That's what a mock is for, not a ranking.

A mock is supposed to accurately predict what happens on draft day.

A ranking is supposed to predict who is actually going to be the best 5+ years from now once the dust has actually settled.

Pretending that GM's aren't looking five (or whatever) years ahead, but rankers are? Again, c'mon.

 

[Slats432]

I've always thought that making a distinction between a ranking, and a mock draft, is merely to create an out when things don't pan out for the ranking. If your player ranking doesn't mirror what actually happens on draft day, what good is it?

I've also noticed that those who value junior scoring stats and ignore defensive play use this argument.

My take is that teams have drafting bias and team needs they try to fill on draft day. So if a team is badly in need of a dman, they might take a 10th ranked player 5th. Hence the discrepancy.

2013 comes to mind.

2013 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings

2013 NHL draft prospect rankings. Throughout the year we will continue to update our 2013 NHL prospect rankings page with rankings from various NHL draft related sites.

www.mynhldraft.com

2013 NHL Entry Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

A sortable list of players drafted in the 2013 NHL Entry draft, including their career scoring after being drafted

www.hockeydb.com

Everyone in Oilersphere knew they were taking a dman. Picking 7, you knew they weren't going to get Jones, but had to decide between Zadorov, Ristolainen and Nurse. They actually made the best pick because although he has faults Nurse was the best of the three. (Although if they would have stretched, Morrisey was probably the best choice for them at 7.)

 

[OilersFanatics505]

And the rankers get it right? C'mon. You hear about it endlessly when they hit on a prospect they ranked highly, but they are nowhere to be found, otherwise.

I will listen a bit more to some of the Euro, and especially Russian "rankers", because they are underscouted, I believe, and underdrafted, but otherwise ... it's an excuse for their inability to look beyond numbers. Any idiot can look at a stat sheet.


Pretending that GM's aren't looking five (or whatever) years ahead, but rankers are? Again, c'mon.

GMs also take into account team makeup and current prospect makeup.

 

[Castle8130]

My goal of ranking players is to rank the players in the order that would be the most accurate to a redraft in 20 or so years.

For example, I would prefer to have ranking A over ranking B.

Ranking A:
1st redrafted 1st
2nd redrafted 4th
3rd redrafted 5th
4th redrafted 6th
5th redrafted 8th
6th redrafted 10th
7th redrafted 7th
8th redrafted 13th


Ranking B:
1st redrafted 1st
2nd redrafted 4th
3rd redrafted 5th
4th redrafted 6th
5th redrafted 3rd
6th redrafted 40th
7th redrafted 33rd
8th redrafted 2nd

 

[barriers]

Can we turn this back into the 'Post your 2023 draft list' thread please and thank you?

 

[Slats432]

1. Connor Bedard
2. Adam Fantili
3. Matvei Michkov
4. Will Smith
5. Leo Carlsson
6. Dalibor Dvorsky
7. Zach Benson
8. Ryan Leonard
9. Oliver Moore
10. Axel Sandin Pelikka
11. Colby Barlow
12. Matthew Wood
13. Brayden Yager
14. Mikhail Gulyayev
15. Riley Heidt
16. Gabriel Perreault
17. Eduard Sale
18. Andrew Cristall
19. Otto Stenburg
20. Quentin Musty
21. David Reinbacher
22. Gavin Brindley
23. Koehn Zimmer
24. Dmitri Simashev
25. Nate Danielson
26. Calum Ritchie
27. Samuel Honzek
28. Lucas Dragicevic
29. Bradley Nadeau
30. Trey Augustine
31. Ethan Gauthier
32. Etienne Morin

Ranking, not mock.

 

[Fantomas]

And the rankers get it right? C'mon.

Well, some people get things more right than others. That's what makes this fun and that's why people pay money for the draft guides.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

So Pronman is a size queen now? That's a 180.

 

[Kcoyote3]

So Pronman is a size queen now? That's a 180.

Been that way for a few years now

 

[Kevin Musto]

Pretending that GM's aren't looking five (or whatever) years ahead, but rankers are? Again, c'mon.

Pretending like the order in which prospects are drafted in winds up being 100% how good they become? Again, c'mon.

 

[Cowumbus]

1 Bedard
2 Fantilli
3 Michkov
4 Carlsson
5 Smith
6 Benson
7 Yager
8 Sandin-Pelikka
9 Dvorsky
10 Leonard

 

[Just Linda]

1. Connor Bedard
2. Adam Fantili
3. Matvei Michkov
4. Will Smith
5. Leo Carlsson
6. Dalibor Dvorsky
7. Zach Benson
8. Ryan Leonard
9. Oliver Moore
10. Axel Sandin Pelikka
11. Colby Barlow
12. Matthew Wood
13. Brayden Yager
14. Mikhail Gulyayev
15. Riley Heidt
16. Gabriel Perreault
17. Eduard Sale
18. Andrew Cristall
19. Otto Stenburg
20. Quentin Musty
21. David Reinbacher
22. Gavin Brindley
23. Koehn Zimmer
24. Dmitri Simashev
25. Nate Danielson
26. Calum Ritchie
27. Samuel Honzek
28. Lucas Dragicevic
29. Bradley Nadeau
30. Trey Augustine
31. Ethan Gauthier
32. Etienne Morin

Ranking, not mock.

I like it. I don't see too many people that are a bit lower on Carlsson that are high on Dvorsky.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I've put together my post U18 top 40 list (for all those that remember Casey Kasem). I may update prior to draft. Note that these are ordered how I would select them if I were GM of NHL team, so doesn't reflect specific team needs, but does reflect how I view the player, geopolitical concerns in regards to Russian prospects, positional value, and my thoughts on how to build a team:

1. Bedard
2. Carlsson
3. Fantilli
4. Smith
5. Michkov
6. Reinbacher
7. Leonard
8. Willander
9. Dvorsky
10. Benson
11. Honzek
12. Perrault
13. Wood
14. Sale
15. Moore
16. Stenberg
17. Lindstein
18. Ritchie
19. Edstrom
20. Danielson
21. Sandin Pellikka
22. Barlow
23. Nadeu
24. Wahlberg
25. Yager
26. Bonk
27. Strbak
28. Fisker Moolgard
29. Heidt
30. But
31. Akey
32. Musty
33. Gulyayev
34. Rehkopf
35. Halttunen
36. Morin
37. Hameenaho
38. Brindley
39. Gauthier
40. Sawchyn

The following HM players are listed alphabetically:

Cristall, Dragicevic, Gibson, Lind, McCarthy, Minnetian. Nelson, Perron, Simashev, Stramel, Terrance, Ziemmer

 

[95snipes]

I've put together my post U18 top 40 list (for all those that remember Casey Kasem). I may update prior to draft. Note that these are ordered how I would select them if I were GM of NHL team, so doesn't reflect specific team needs, but does reflect how I view the player, geopolitical concerns in regards to Russian prospects, positional value, and my thoughts on how to build a team:

1. Bedard
2. Carlsson
3. Fantilli
4. Smith
5. Michkov
6. Reinbacher
7. Leonard
8. Willander
9. Dvorsky
10. Benson
11. Honzek
12. Perrault
13. Wood
14. Sale
15. Moore
16. Stenberg
17. Lindstein
18. Ritchie
19. Edstrom
20. Danielson
21. Sandin Pellikka
22. Barlow
23. Nadeu
24. Wahlberg
25. Yager
26. Bonk
27. Strbak
28. Fisker Moolgard
29. Heidt
30. But
31. Akey
32. Musty
33. Gulyayev
34. Rehkopf
35. Halttunen
36. Morin
37. Hameenaho
38. Brindley
39. Gauthier
40. Sawchyn

The following HM players are listed alphabetically:

Cristall, Dragicevic, Gibson, Lind, McCarthy, Minnetian. Nelson, Perron, Simashev, Stramel, Terrance, Ziemmer

I like it. Our lists are quite similar.

 

[Jorma Heart]

1. Connor Bedard
2. Matvei Michkov
3. Leo Carlsson
4. Adam Fantilli
5. Will Smith
6. David Reinbacher
7. Zach Benson
8. Eduard Sale
9. Ryan Leonard
10. Axel Sandin Pellikka
11. Colby Barlow
12. Brayden Yager
13. Dalibor Dvorsky
14. Mikhail Gulyayev
15. Riley Heidt
16. Matthew Wood
17. Oliver Moore
18. Nate Danielson
19. Lukas Dragicevic
20. Gavin Brindley
21. Otto Stenberg
22. Andrew Cristall
23. Calum Ritchie
24. Tom Willander
25. Gabriel Perreault
26. Theo Lindstein
27. Dmitri Simashev
28. Jayden Perron
29. Hunter Brzustewicz
30. Tanner Molendyk
31. Quentin Musty
32. Oscar Fisker Mølgaard

HM: Morin, Honzek, Lind, Sawchyn

 

[Mrb1p]

1	1) Connor Bedard (RC/RW, Canada, Regina WHL)
2	2) Matvei Michkov (RW, Russia, SKA St. Petersburg VHL)
3	3) Adam Fantilli (LC, Canada, Michigan NCAA)
4	4) Leo Carlsson (LC, Sweden, Orebro SHL)
5	5) David Reinbacher (RD, Austria, Kloten NL)
6	6) Zach Benson (LW, Canada, Winnipeg WHL)
7	10) Matthew Wood (RW, Canada, Connecticut NCAA)
8	8) Will Smith (RC, USA, NTDP U18)
9	13) Brayden Yager (RC, Canada, Moose Jaw WHL)
10	14) Ryan Leonard (RW, USA, NTDP U18)
11	11) Dalibor Dvorsky (LC/LW, Slovakia, AIK Allsvenskan)
12	7) Andrew Cristall (LW/RW, Canada, Kelowna WHL)
13	12) Colby Barlow (LW, Canada, Owen Sound OHL)
14	9) Riley Heidt (LW, Canada, Prince George WHL)
15	17) Nate Danielson (RW, Canada, Brandon WHL)
16	18) Nick Lardis RW, Canada, hamilton OHL)
17	24) Gabe Perreault (LW, USA/Canada, NTDP U18)
18	15) Eduard Sale (RW, Czechia, Kometa Brno Czechia)
19	20) Alexander Rykov (RW, Russia, Chelmet Chelyabinsk VHL)
20	16) Samuel Honzek (LW/LC, Slovakia, Vancouver WHL)
21	34) Tom Willander (RD, Sweden, Rogle J20)
22	36) Otto Stenberg (LC/LW, Sweden, Frolunda SHL)
23	29) Calum Ritchie (RC, Canada, Oshawa OHL)
24	22) Etienne Morin (LD, Canada, Moncton LHJMQ)
25	19) Oliver Moore (LC, USA, NTDP U18)
26	21) Koehn Ziemmer (RW, Canada, Prince George WHL)
27	25) Axel Sandin Pellikka (RD, Sweden, Skelleftea SHL)
28	30) Hunter Brzustewicz (RD, USA, Kitchener OHL)
29	31) Quentin Musty (LW, USA, Sudbury OHL)
30	23) Jayden Perron (RW, Canada, Chicago USHL)
31	NR) Felix Unger Sorum (LW, Sweden, Leksand J20)
32	27) Dmitri Simashev (LD, Russia, Lokomotiv Yaroslavl KHL)
33	26) Gavin Brindley (RW, USA/Canada, Michigan NCAA)
34	32) Noah Dower Nilsson (LC, Sweden, Frolunda J20)
35	36) Kasper Halttunen (RW/LW, Finland, HIFK Liiga)
36	60) Gracyn Sawchyn (C, Canada, Seattle WHL)
37	33) Ethan Gauthier (RW, Canada/USA, Sherbrooke LHJMQ)
38	57) Bradly Nadeau (LW/RC, Canada, Penticton BCHL)
39	NR) David Edstrom (C, Sweden, Frolunda J20)
40	39) Daniil But (LW/RW, Russia, Lokomotiv Yaroslavl KHL)
41	NR) Anton Wahlberg (C, Sweden, Malmo, J20)
43	35) Alex Ciernik (LW/RW, Slovakia, Sodertalje Allsvenskan)
44	28) Lukas Dragicevic (RD, Canada, Tri-City WHL)
45	32) William Whitelaw (RC/RW, USA, Youngstown USHL)
46	33) Tyler Molendyk (LD, Canada, Saskatoon WHL)
47	NR) Juraj Pekarcic (LW, Slovakia, HK nitra Slovakia)
48	65) Oscar Fisker Molgaard(C, Hv 71 SHL)
49	61) Andrew Strathmann (LD, USA, Youngstown USHL)
50	34) Maxim Strbak (RD, Slovakia, Sioux Falls USHL)
51	29) Emil Jarventie (LW, Finland, Ilves Liiga)
52	69) Felix Nilsson (C, Rögle BK, J20)
53	37) Mikhail Gulyayev (LD, Russia, Omsk MHL)
54	NR) Danny Nelson (C/LW, USA, USDP, USHL)
55	53) Oliver Bonk (RD, Canada, London OHL)
56	56) Kalan Lind (LW, Canada, Red Deer WHL)
57	NR) Nico Myatovic (L, Canada, Seattle WHL)
58	40) Carson Rehkopf (LC/RW, Canada, Kitchener OHL)
59	NR) Denver Barkey (C, Canada, London, C)
60	52) Theo Lindstein (LD, Sweden, Brynas SHL)
61	35) Lenni Hameenaho (RW, Finland, Assat Liiga)
62	38) Caden Price (LD, Canada, Kelowna WHL)
63	NR) Timur Mukhanov (C, Russia, Omsk MHL)
64	NR) Jesse Kiiskinen (RW, Finland, SM-Sarja U20)
65	NR) Aydar Suniev (LW, Russia, Penticton BCHL)
66	68) Beau Akey (D, Canada, Barrie, OHL)
67	NR) Carey Terrance (C, USA, Erie, OHL)
68	NR) Matthew Mania (D, Canda, Sudbury OHL)
69	NR) Tristan Bertucci (D, Canada, Flint OHL)
70	NR) Luca Pinelli (C, Canada, Ottawa OHL)
71	63) Mathieu Cataford (RW, Canada, Halifax LHJMQ)
72	26) Charlie Stramel (RW/RC, USA, Wisconsin NCAA)
73	55) Luca Cagnoni (LD, Canada, Portland WHL)
74	72) Brad Gardiner (C, Canada, Ottawa OHL)
75	NR) Jordan Tourigny (D, Canada, Shawinigan LHJMQ)
76	NR) Kalem Parker (D, Canada, Victoria WHL)
77	38) Roman Kantserov (LW/RW, Russia, Stalnye Lisy MHL)
78	58) Jayson Shaugabay (RW/RC, USA, Warroad USHS)
79	NR) Linus Brandl (C, Germany, Mannheim, DEL)
80	NR) Zeb Forsfjall (C, Sweden, Skellftea J20)
1	1) Michael Hrabal (G, Czechia, Omaha USHL)
2	2) Jacob Fowler (G, USA, Youngstown USHL)
3	3) Carson Bjarnason (G, Canada, Brandon WHL)
4	4) Damian Clara (G, Italy, Farjestad BK J20)
5	5) Adam Gajan (G, Slovakia, Green Bay USHL, overager)
6	6) Noah Erliden (G, Sweden, HV71 J20)
7	7) Yegor Egorov (G, Russia, MHK Dynamo MHL)
8	8) Trey Augustine (G, USA, USDP, USHL)
9	9) Yegor Zavragin (G, Russia, Mamonty Yugry MHL)
10	10) Alexander Hellnemo (G, Sweden, Skeleftea, J20)

Last 2023 draft ranking for me. Did a whole top 80 and a top 10 for goaltenders, not something I usually do but I feel there was a lot of similar quality players from 35-75 so I had a hard time putting a stop to the ranking.