Post-Trade Deadline Thread

[Nordique]

Dan Rosen and John Davidson talk Gaborik:

You bring up scoring, which is interesting because you had Marian Gaborik, who is obviously known as a goal scorer, and you traded him away to the Los Angeles Kings. Why didn't Gaborik fit in Columbus?

"He had a rough time with injuries mostly. The knee went early. He got back, but the first game back he got hit hard and fractured his collarbone and was out for quite some time. We were looking at it going forward and didn't see a fit for next season, so we decided just to make that change. He wanted to stay. He's a good person. It just seemed like a square peg in a round hole for our club. We just play a different game and it just wasn't a fit. He's a good person, a good player and he'll do well in Los Angeles."


Is it that he wants to play more of an east-west game and you guys want to go north-south?

"I don't know if that's the right way of saying it. It just didn't seem to work. We're a young team and we're going to be able to grow together here. We're a very young team. We are looking at now, trying to look at the future, figure out how we're going to do things, and we just felt it wasn't a fit.


"Listen, Marian has been a world-class scorer, but we also scored quite a bit when he wasn't playing for us. I don't look at it with Marian not being here, that's the reason we're not scoring. He didn't play a whole lot for us this season and we won a lot of hockey games, did a pretty good job scoring compared to a year ago. We've had some players that have come a long way like [Ryan] Johansen and others, but right now it's hard to score, our power play has not been good, and these are the same players that we had earlier in the season when it was going better. We just have to work our way through this thing."

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=711008&navid=nhl:topheads

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Dan Rosen and John Davidson talk Gaborik:


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=711008&navid=nhl:topheads

Those are the expected answers, because they're insufficient. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the reasons he offers in answer 1 are not the same as in answer 2.

 

[blahblah]

Those are the expected answers, because they're insufficient. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the reasons he offers in answer 1 are not the same as in answer 2.

I'm not sure if I really saw the real reason(s) in any of the responses, by anyone, on these questions. He seemed to get a bit defensive or maybe a bit impatient with his response to the second question. That's usually the case when you start with "listen".

I'm not sure the "well we were ok without him" is a good reason. Are we, suddenly, going to score less with Marion in the lineup? Does the square peg negatively impact the team down the stretch? If he's a great guy that doesn't seem to be the case.

I heard we were trying to protect the future. Was the return that critical to the future? I don't think the franchise is impacted greatly one way or another. We probably could have gotten a pick during the off season for him - perhaps even more if he had a good run with us. The motives didn't appear to be financial; we kept a lot of salary and we added a D.

Was the whole reason we moved him was to add a depth D? If that's the case, there wasn't a better option than what we got?

Just odd to me.

 

[Crede777]

He's right, we were scoring without Gaborik. However, he neglects two very important perceptions:

1. Our forwards just aren't that good. We have a bunch of 2nd/3rd/4th liners and only one potential 1st line player in Johansen. They may have been scoring at unsustainable levels earlier this season and are now averaging out. Good teams have a mixture of blue collar players and skill players; not one or the other. See: St. Louis, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, Anaheim, etc.

2. Making the playoffs this season will be of greater boon to the future of this franchise than any young player could be. This is a lesson that Davidson and Kekkalainen will quickly learn if the team misses the playoffs. If they miss the playoffs, I expect them to make a move next season that sacrifices the "future" for "now" and completely contradict what they are saying right now. They say Gaborik was a square peg in a round hole, but as soon as they see the opportunity they'll bring in another big name, big salary forward who is almost entirely offensively focused.

 

[Nordique]

I agree with the "defensive" tone observation. I don't think he wanted to field a second question on the topic from Rosen.

While I'm not a big supporter of the move, I can't say with any confidence that Gaborik would have provided any boost to our dismal offense over this recent stretch of games. I see he has a couple goals in LA since the move, but nothing earthshaking. LA's offense has struggled mightily all season, so he walks into a situation much more likely to make a positive impact.

I think had the return been a little better, the questions wouldn't be coming up. Instead it looks we were dumping him to save $ and give younger players more ice time down this critical stretch.

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Gaborik has really been a boon to the Kings. He scored tonight, but even when he doesn't score, he gives the other team someone else to focus on besides Kopitar. Getting Gaborik has really seemed to make all the lines finally fit.

Talking about the fit, the Kings had a similar situation with Simon Gagne. Super guy, talented, well-liked, out most of the season with injuries, and just had a style of play that didn't seem to "fit" the Kings style. So I get it when I see the square peg in a round hole reference.

How's Matt Frattin doing? Evidently he had some promise in Toronto, but just couldn't find his stride in L.A. I hope for more success for him in Columbus.

Congratulations on moving up to the 1st wild card spot tonight.

 

[Bobcat110]

Gaborik has really been a boon to the Kings. He scored tonight, but even when he doesn't score, he gives the other team someone else to focus on besides Kopitar. Getting Gaborik has really seemed to make all the lines finally fit.

Talking about the fit, the Kings had a similar situation with Simon Gagne. Super guy, talented, well-liked, out most of the season with injuries, and just had a style of play that didn't seem to "fit" the Kings style. So I get it when I see the square peg in a round hole reference.

How's Matt Frattin doing? Evidently he had some promise in Toronto, but just couldn't find his stride in L.A. I hope for more success for him in Columbus.

Congratulations on moving up to the 1st wild card spot tonight.

I think Frattin played one game when he got here...don't expect to see him again in a CBJ sweater unless we have a lot of injuries.

Still think CBJ with Gaborik would've been better than CBJ without Gaborik for draft picks...but Jarmo made the move. Enjoy.

 

[bizzz*]

Gaborik has really been a boon to the Kings. He scored tonight, but even when he doesn't score, he gives the other team someone else to focus on besides Kopitar.

I thought that he was doing the same thing in Columbus. The Jackets preferred a 2nd round pick and Frattin for some reason. And Columbus is still paying a half of his salary.
And that release in the shootout and tonight...

 

[KJ Dangler]

I have nothing to back this up, but I think Gaborik was moved, and we went after Kesler hard. Vancouver decided pretty much last minute that they were going to hold onto Kesler until the summer time. Which Kesler was pretty mad about. Total speculation on my part.

 

[bizzz*]

I have nothing to back this up, but I think Gaborik was moved, and we went after Kesler hard. Vancouver decided pretty much last minute that they were going to hold onto Kesler until the summer time. Which Kesler was pretty mad about. Total speculation on my part.

Kesler said he won't waive his NTC for Columbus a few days prior to the dead-line.

 

[blahblah]

I have nothing to back this up, but I think Gaborik was moved, and we went after Kesler hard. Vancouver decided pretty much last minute that they were going to hold onto Kesler until the summer time. Which Kesler was pretty mad about. Total speculation on my part.

I thought the report that Kesler wouldn't waive is NTC to come here was announced before we moved Gaborik.

 

[bizzz*]

Let's see.

Anisimov prior to the Olympics - 1 goal in 16 games
Anisimov after the Olimpics with Gaborik - 5 goals in 4 games
Anisimov after the Gaborik trade - 1 goal in 10 games

Gaborik has 6 points in the last 8 games. Amount of the Jackets players with this many points on the same span is zero...

 

[Cash for Nash]

Let's see.

Anisimov prior to the Olympics - 1 goal in 16 games
Anisimov after the Olimpics with Gaborik - 5 goals in 4 games
Anisimov after the Gaborik trade - 1 goal in 10 games

Gaborik has 6 points in the last 8 games. Amount of the Jackets players with this many points on the same span is zero...

Just wait till we unleash Matt Frattin...

 

[Viqsi]

Let's see.

Anisimov prior to the Olympics - 1 goal in 16 games
Anisimov after the Olimpics with Gaborik - 5 goals in 4 games
Anisimov after the Gaborik trade - 1 goal in 10 games

Gaborik has 6 points in the last 8 games. Amount of the Jackets players with this many points on the same span is zero...

If we get one of these posts after a 6-1 win instead of a 2-1 loss, maybe then I'll stop rolling my eyes at them.

 

[bizzz*]

If we get one of these posts after a 6-1 win instead of a 2-1 loss, maybe then I'll stop rolling my eyes at them.

You gonna have to keep rolling your eyes for a while. I have a strong feeling that a 6-1 win won't happen this season and our dead-line moves are one of the main reasons for it.

BTW I'm wondering why would any one roll his eyes at a well known facts.

 

[skimp]

Just wait till we unleash Matt Frattin...

It's "Release the Frattin."

 

[DJA]

It's "Release the Frattin."

Marian Gaborik with a beard???

 

[Viqsi]

You gonna have to keep rolling your eyes for a while. I have a strong feeling that a 6-1 win won't happen this season and our dead-line moves are one of the main reasons for it.

BTW I'm wondering why would any one roll his eyes at a well known facts.

It's not so much the cherrypicked data as it is the implied conclusions.

 

[bizzz*]

It's not so much the cherrypicked data as it is the implied conclusions.

Which part of my post would you describe as a conclusion?

 

[Viqsi]

which part of my post would you describe as a conclusion?

An implied conclusion, one which seems to suggest that Anisimov would still be scoring at the same pace he was post-Olympics if Gaborik hadn't been traded.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

An implied conclusion, one which seems to suggest that Anisimov would still be scoring at the same pace he was post-Olympics if Gaborik hadn't been traded.

In my opinion (which I guess without saying but still)...

The (distinct) possibility of this implied conclusion was worth more than the return the team got for trading away Gaborik at the deadline. I generally don't fuss much about what-ifs, but since it's the topic. The stats are damning.

 

[Viqsi]

In my opinion (which I guess without saying but still)...

The (distinct) possibility of this implied conclusion was worth more than the return the team got for trading away Gaborik at the deadline. I generally don't fuss much about what-ifs, but since it's the topic. The stats are damning.

Given Anisimov's long established history of streaky play, I think the stats are indicative more of confirmation bias than anything else.

Not saying that I suddenly like the Gaborik move, but c'mon, let's be realistic here.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Given Anisimov's long established history of streaky play, I think the stats are indicative more of confirmation bias than anything else.

Not saying that I suddenly like the Gaborik move, but c'mon, let's be realistic here.

"Distinct possibility" (bet hedging) was "not worth the return" (however it might have gone). It's a pretty simple statement. I'm not stat confirming anything. I'm saying I would have preferred "let's give 'er a go."

 

[Crede777]

Let's not forget that Anisimov does best when ice is opened up for him. Gaborik has the ability to draw defense to him and away from guys like Anisimov, Dubinsky, or whoever is on our point during the powerplays.

Not that I think he would be enough of a factor to significantly alter the play of Anisimov or others, but his impact is certainly more than that of Frattin and a 2nd. I'm just willing to take the POTENTIAL of Gaborik helping us right now over the POTENTIAL of Frattin and whatever player we take with that 2nd.

 

[major major]

I wrote at the time of the trade that my opinion on the matter would hinge on what happened to Anisimov's scoring. Realistically we don't know whether its a coincidence or not, but its as reasonable a criterion to judge the trade as any other.