Post-Trade Deadline Thread

[CBJWerenski8]

Some of you guys still don't understand. If the Jackets thought they were cup contenders they wouldn't have dealt Gaborik. They aren't going all in to make the playoffs this year, they are trying to build a cup contender not a playoff contender. If they make it this year great, but they weren't going to pass on an opportunity to help them in the future to help them now.

Anyway, we all suspected something was up with Horts, with his play and maintenance days. Hope he's good to go for next year/playoffs

 

[db2011]

I agree. I'm OK with how Jarmo handled the deadline, we got a second rounder for a guy we weren't, and shouldn't, going to resign. That's going to turn into a solid player possibly in a few years, see Boone. We need to rebuild our defense, not keep trying to get forwards that don't pan out. Now we have some cash to sign a D or 2. And we need spots for incoming players, Wennberg, Rychel, Dano, Skille. A couple of them could be here next year!

Jarmo handled the trade deadline terribly. The idea that we weren't going to resign a player so we should trade him is wrong. I would be absolutely content to roll the dice with Gabby as a guy we weren't going to resign rather than trading him for someone who's "going to turn into a solid player possibly in a few years."

I would *love* to have Gaborik right now, during this playoff push, and would love it even more to have him if we make the playoffs. We've gone over this and over this but I can't help repeating it. I don't think it's absolute that we wouldn't resign the guy, especially if he started putting up points, we made the playoffs, and he became instrumental in helping get relatively deep in them. JK jumped the gun on the trade. As the Florida guy said, Gabby would have been our highest scorer in March. Come on.

You say now we have some cash to sign a D or 2, but that cash would be there anyway if we didn't sign Gabby.

 

[db2011]

Some of you guys still don't understand. If the Jackets thought they were cup contenders they wouldn't have dealt Gaborik. They aren't going all in to make the playoffs this year, they are trying to build a cup contender not a playoff contender. If they make it this year great, but they weren't going to pass on an opportunity to help them in the future to help them now.

Anyway, we all suspected something was up with Horts, with his play and maintenance days. Hope he's good to go for next year/playoffs

Keeping a world class talent and veteran for a playoff run helps this franchise a whale of a lot more than what we got in return.

Your second sentence is essentially apologizing for behaving like sellers and having no faith in the ability of the club to do well in the playoffs. Even though if the playoffs started today we'd be in them.

Stop candy coating a horrendous trade with the rationalization that we wouldn't have won anyway. Terribly defeatist.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Keeping a world class talent and veteran for a playoff run helps this franchise a whale of a lot more than what we got in return.

Your second sentence is essentially apologizing for behaving like sellers and having no faith in the ability of the club to do well in the playoffs. Even though if the playoffs started today we'd be in them.

Stop candy coating a horrendous trade with the rationalization that we wouldn't have won anyway. Terribly defeatist.

That's not defeatist. That's what happened. You can say they were 'sellers', fine. I disagree, but I can see the argument. I was also in the boat of keeping Gaborik for the stretch run unless you got a return you couldn't refuse. It's obvious he wasn't a fit here, he didn't really gain chemistry with anyone here. Does anyone really think he would have produced here like he is in LA? There Gaborik is like the 3rd option and has a very good playmaker taking up time and space for him in Kopitar. I don't like the trade, like I said I would have rather kept him for the stretch run. But I also see why JK did what he did and got something for a player they were clearly not going to resign and clearly wasn't a fit. I don't see how thats defeatist.

And the sentence about JK not believing in the team is laughable. He took a guy out of the locker room, who by his own admission wasn't around the team much during his rehabbing of his injuries. The team didn't really even know Gaborik's play style with them. It wasn't like they took a Nick Foligno, a glue guy, out of the room. It was just Gaborik.

 

[muleskinner2013]

Well, I for one wish Jarmo hadent sent NY the players he did for Gabby in the first place, but that's done. I understand why he did it when he did but it turned out lousy, and then when he decides that he isn't a good fit he sends him away for crap what he spent to get him.

I for 1 wish he was still on this team right now. Horton has had me throwing things at my tv for weeks now. Guy just isn't right or is playing like he doesn't care.

 

[EspenK]

Okay, a couple of guys have mentioned spending available $ to bring in more D. Do we really need to do that? I mean we aren't St L in the D dept but spend money there over adding offense? I don't get that at all. A little better goaltending from Bob all year long and this team is probably solidly in the 2/3 slot right now. That is something that can reasonably be expected for next year. Maybe not Vezina Bob but March Bob or post-injury Bob will do just fine. Add in Savard & Prout have another year's experience, Erixon & Golo waiting in the wings, Schultz potentially an okay 7th guy, I just don't see the need. Better offense is what we need.

 

[blahblah]

Oh jeebus. Keeping Gaborik wouldn't have signified you were ready for a Cup run. Claiming "we don't get it" is highly inaccurate.

 

[blahblah]

Okay, a couple of guys have mentioned spending available $ to bring in more D.

I would like to change the mix a bit. That might mean more money.

 

[Nordique]

Well, I for one wish Jarmo hadent sent NY the players he did for Gabby in the first place, but that's done. I understand why he did it when he did but it turned out lousy, and then when he decides that he isn't a good fit he sends him away for crap what he spent to get him.

I for 1 wish he was still on this team right now. Horton has had me throwing things at my tv for weeks now. Guy just isn't right or is playing like he doesn't care.

All of this. Well said. Moving him to LA just made a bad situation worse imo.

 

[blahblah]

All of this. Well said. Moving him to LA just made a bad situation worse imo.

I had no issue with the contract dump that resulted in bringing Gaborik. Those players were not part of our future.

 

[Fro]

Well, I for one wish Jarmo hadent sent NY the players he did for Gabby in the first place, but that's done. I understand why he did it when he did but it turned out lousy, and then when he decides that he isn't a good fit he sends him away for crap what he spent to get him.

I for 1 wish he was still on this team right now. Horton has had me throwing things at my tv for weeks now. Guy just isn't right or is playing like he doesn't care.

its fine to feel that way, but he sent 3 under performing players to clear contracts...I don't feel we miss any one of those players...and having the 7.5m in cap space to play with now, i still have zero problems with that trade...maybe that 2nd round pick is used in a trade to get someone else here to help, still lots to play out on how this ends...

 

[SuperGenius]

its fine to feel that way, but he sent 3 under performing players to clear contracts...I don't feel we miss any one of those players...and having the 7.5m in cap space to play with now, i still have zero problems with that trade...maybe that 2nd round pick is used in a trade to get someone else here to help, still lots to play out on how this ends...

No! We have to judge it TODAY! We can't worry about the big picture. This is the INTERNET! lol!

I was initially upset about losing Moore. Having seen Savard (!) and Murray blossom this year, I can say I'm completely over Johnny Moore. Just goes to show that these guys kinda know what they're doing. This is probably why I post on message boards and they run an NHL team.

 

[Mayor Bee]

No! We have to judge it TODAY! We can't worry about the big picture. This is the INTERNET! lol!

I was initially upset about losing Moore. Having seen Savard (!) and Murray blossom this year, I can say I'm completely over Johnny Moore. Just goes to show that these guys kinda know what they're doing. This is probably why I post on message boards and they run an NHL team.

I will never concede the bolded as a legitimate viewpoint when we all know that Mike Milbury once ran an NHL team.

 

[nhldiedinthe90s*]

I will never concede the bolded as a legitimate viewpoint when we all know that Mike Milbury once ran an NHL team.

And glen sather still does.

 

[Xoggz22]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned about the Gaborik trade (if it was, I missed it. My apologies for rehashing) is that I don't think Columbus was in a position to bring in another big contract without moving one. I don't have the ability to check so someone can correct me if wrong but I don't believe Vanek or Moulson had salary retained(They seem to be the two biggest names I see so I'll stick with them) by their old teams. Columbus could not have taken on those contracts given our cap figure at the time (Again, I could be wrong but think this is accurate) meaning a big contract had to go. Gaborik likely had little value around the league (given his injury and performance at the time) and I can't imagine JK would look to send him to a team he's competing with for a playoff spot (wipes out most of the East).

To get him to LA, Columbus had (?) to eat salary. This may have pinched the numbers knowing they also needed some last minute help on defense with the injuries to Tyutin and Murray and having to retain salary may have limited the options. There are a lot of pieces in motion for the deadline. I'm not trying to be a JK apologist but maybe they did try for Vanek but the Isles wouldn't retain salary (to do so may have cost too big a piece for a buidling term - Brick by Brick - like Columbus). Maybe they also simply felt Gaborik wasn't going to help and why take the chance. Get what you can and move on.

I am in agreement that it would have been nice to add something at the deadline but I also don't buy the "terrible" aspect of this situation. There was no guarantee Gaborik would have added anything based on the limited sample size while in Columbus. If no moves were done I'm sure there would have been groundswell for why we didn't move Gaborik when we could have...for something. anything.

Let's see what happens over a little time and see what the assets turn into. I suspect they will be moved to move up in the draft or to sweeten a deal. I want a long term winner and if that means a little disappointment at this year's deadline so be it. I wish it were different and Gaborik provided us reason to keep him or JK brought in a player like Hemsky for what he went for.

 

[Bobcat110]

Gaborik has outscored all of our players since the trade. **** the #2 draft pick....we don't even know when we'll get it. What a losers' mentality that goal scorers don't belong on this team...name another team that gives away scorers at trade deadline and scratches 2 of their top scorers when they're still well in the playoff chase. How sickening it will be if we miss the playoffs again.

 

[Fro]

IIRC we were able to bring in a player that made $5m - ish...don't remember exact figure...so we could have sent a contract out and added a $7m player...

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned about the Gaborik trade (if it was, I missed it. My apologies for rehashing) is that I don't think Columbus was in a position to bring in another big contract without moving one. I don't have the ability to check so someone can correct me if wrong but I don't believe Vanek or Moulson had salary retained(They seem to be the two biggest names I see so I'll stick with them) by their old teams. Columbus could not have taken on those contracts given our cap figure at the time (Again, I could be wrong but think this is accurate) meaning a big contract had to go. Gaborik likely had little value around the league (given his injury and performance at the time) and I can't imagine JK would look to send him to a team he's competing with for a playoff spot (wipes out most of the East).

To get him to LA, Columbus had (?) to eat salary. This may have pinched the numbers knowing they also needed some last minute help on defense with the injuries to Tyutin and Murray and having to retain salary may have limited the options. There are a lot of pieces in motion for the deadline. I'm not trying to be a JK apologist but maybe they did try for Vanek but the Isles wouldn't retain salary (to do so may have cost too big a piece for a buidling term - Brick by Brick - like Columbus). Maybe they also simply felt Gaborik wasn't going to help and why take the chance. Get what you can and move on.

I am in agreement that it would have been nice to add something at the deadline but I also don't buy the "terrible" aspect of this situation. There was no guarantee Gaborik would have added anything based on the limited sample size while in Columbus. If no moves were done I'm sure there would have been groundswell for why we didn't move Gaborik when we could have...for something. anything.

Let's see what happens over a little time and see what the assets turn into. I suspect they will be moved to move up in the draft or to sweeten a deal. I want a long term winner and if that means a little disappointment at this year's deadline so be it. I wish it were different and Gaborik provided us reason to keep him or JK brought in a player like Hemsky for what he went for.

I don't know what your "one thing" is in this post. I'm reading about 4-5 "things". I've addressed most of them previously, so I'll focus on what I bolded.

My disappointment continues well past the deadline and into pretty much right now.

 

[major major]

Sorry to harp on this, but I'm stunned that you two can't see what a bad argument you're making:

I had no issue with the contract dump that resulted in bringing Gaborik. Those players were not part of our future.

its fine to feel that way, but he sent 3 under performing players to clear contracts...I don't feel we miss any one of those players...and having the 7.5m in cap space to play with now, i still have zero problems with that trade...maybe that 2nd round pick is used in a trade to get someone else here to help, still lots to play out on how this ends...

I was glad to see those three go, but if you wanted cap space and draft picks for Dorsett, Moore, and Brassard you would have gotten more than a 2nd rounder and a conditional pick for them. You could have had that space (and unspent salary) immediately instead of paying $7m to Gaborik for a year.

I said so a year ago after the first trade that "clearing contracts" was not an excuse because we could have gotten more for "clearing contracts" in exchange for draft picks. I'm still surprised that folks don't get this.

It's official, Jarmo lost the deal. There's no other way to put it, and there isn't "stilll lots to play out on how this ends." It's ended, Jarmo would admit as much.

 

[blahblah]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned about the Gaborik trade (if it was, I missed it. My apologies for rehashing) is that I don't think Columbus was in a position to bring in another big contract without moving one.

I can tell you I addressed that as a requirement over a month before the deadline, up to the deadline, at since. I even talked about it early in the year. This isn't a 20/20 topic.

I had indicated that if they moved Gaborik and freed up his cap hit; they would need to bring in another forward to replace him (and Frattin was not what anyone had in mind).

The depth at top six forward was known. It's why we brought in Gaborik to begin with. Most of our forwards producing at a career pace wasn't, likely, sustainable. We have a month where everyone was producing. That was going to dry up and did.

This (offensive slump) was easily predictable.

 

[Fro]

It's official, Jarmo lost the deal. There's no other way to put it, and there isn't "stilll lots to play out on how this ends." It's ended, Jarmo would admit as much.

it is not official...the cap space we have and what we do with it is still a part of this...yeah, gaborik didn't play out here as we hoped, but that wasn't just the end of it...you are looking at it with blinders on and black and white...and this is clearly not a black and white deal

 

[Nordique]

I had no issue with the contract dump that resulted in bringing Gaborik. Those players were not part of our future.

Brassard, no. No place for him on this team.

Dorse, maybe. Redundant and replaced by younger legs, not a big loss, but of course a fan favorite.

Moore, yes. I like depth on the blueline, and I think Moore is a solid 3rd pairing guy, with 2nd pairing potential.

But I agree with you, I liked the move last year when it went down, then Gaborik's age caught up with him and injuries piled up (a bad situation). Now of course he's healthy and he just finished March with more goals than anyone on our team. We suddenly can't score to save our playoff lives (the bad situation becomes worse).

It was a seller's move, problem is, we were buyers.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Brassard, no.

Dorse, maybe.

Moore, yes.

No on all three. Moore is the only question mark. With their play this year, I would rather have Prout and Savard over Moore. Sure Moore is a better skater, but his defending has been bad this year, and although he's had an increase in offensive production, he's still not great there either. He's a bottom pairing guy right now with room to grow, which we have plenty of.

 

[Nordique]

No on all three. Moore is the only question mark. With their play this year, I would rather have Prout and Savard over Moore. Sure Moore is a better skater, but his defending has been bad this year, and although he's had an increase in offensive production, he's still not great there either. He's a bottom pairing guy right now with room to grow, which we have plenty of.

We do, and its a nice luxury to have, and a nice chip to use at the trade table.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

We do, and its a nice luxury to have, and a nice chip to use at the trade table.

Fair enough, but who would have thought that Gaborik would have burnt out like he did here? It was worth the gamble imo.