Detroit Redwings Downfall

[logan5]

Go spend an hour researching, do a redraft every season from 2019-2024 and select any player that Yzerman didn't; no Seider, no Raymond, no Edvinsson and tell me how you did.

I am giving you the pleasure of hindsight 20/20 and I'll bet the farm you still come up short.

So you are saying that with all those high draft picks, this is the result you should expect from an organization? The Canucks had far less draft picks, and have managed to build a decent team in about the same time frame that the Red Wings have had, and that is with a very average GM during those draft years, unless you think Benning was a drafting genius.

Management has failed in Detroit, and very badly.

 

[Boud]

Petry and Chiarot 2nd pair is not good enough. Holl isn’t very good. The defence overall is just not good enough. They don’t take many shots on goal, partly because their D struggles to get the puck out to the forwards. Not something you can easily fix at this stage in the season. They needed a good Dman in the offseason. Walman move was a head-scratcher. Seider could be playing better.

There’s depth up front but not enough guys who actually make plays and create scoring chances. Tarasenko and Kane are getting old. They’re one of the lowest scoring teams in the league at 5 on 5. Outside of the top line there’s no offensive to speak of. Compher and Copp don’t look like 5M $ players.

The PP is on fire but they just can’t score at 5 on 5 and they don’t create enough chances. The PK is just horrendous.

Goaltending has been really good and likely the only reason they’re still close to .500 … Not sure I had Cam Talbot putting up those numbers on my bingo card but he’s been keeping them in games.

Can’t imagine they make the playoffs this year. There’s just a lot missing on the roster. There’s holes on D and not enough on forward. The goalies are unlikely to sustain this level of play. I feel like they have regressed from last season. This is a one line team.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Lol lost to the Sharks.

Gotta think the coach will be fired any hour now

"We ask that you bear with us."

 

[Nogatco Rd]

A downfall with year over year improvement, simple methods and numbers are confusing people.. interesting.

They’re in last place in the East. Are you saying you think they’ll improve on last year’s finish?

 

[BluesyShoes]

They are still building. They have a lot of good pieces, have some good veterans for the young players to learn from. As pointed out, as long as they keep improving they will climb the mountain eventually. Nate Danielson looks like a gem, ASP looks like a weapon. Their homegrown D core is still super young and are still years away from their prime. Cossa is putting up good numbers in the minors this year. They've done a fantastic job of collecting all the pieces, and they aren't all ready yet. Still probably have at least 1 more top 10 pick in the draft to add some scoring. I'm not a Detroit fan but I'm really excited about the team they are building, and Danielson is wildly underhyped on these boards.

 

[Peasy]

Whos firing their coach first, detroit or boston?

 

[Pavels Dog]

So you are saying that with all those high draft picks, this is the result you should expect from an organization? The Canucks had far less draft picks, and have managed to build a decent team in about the same time frame that the Red Wings have had, and that is with a very average GM during those draft years, unless you think Benning was a drafting genius.

Management has failed in Detroit, and very badly.

Canucks are on a bit of a different timeline. Doesn't excuse every bit of roster construction for the Wings, but obviously if the main goal was to be a decent team ASAP they wouldn't have done the Hronek/ASP swap for example.

The Red Wings organization did everything you are suppose to in order to rebuild fairly quickly. They have had a ton of 1st and 2nd round draft picks the last 7 drafts - 10 in the 1st round and 15 in the 2nd round. You should easily be able to build at least a strong play-off team by now with that, if not an elite team.

So why have zero NHL teams been able to do that?

10 years is a hilarious stretch of time to make your point with. Connor McDavid hasn't even been in the league 10 years. In the last 10 years Vegas went from not even existing to winning a championship

Again, that was the point. Writing off Raymond at 22, as well as every other player or prospect in their system, is being delusional about your ability to predict the future.

 

[TKB]

Outshot 34-20 against the present day San Jose Sharks. Pretty lucky to escape with an OTL and take only a half loss versus a full loss. 0-2-1 on a California road trip against crummy teams and fall to 7-9-2 in the ninth season after last making the postseason. It's Year 5 of the GM/Year 3 of the Head Coach. But Kasper did score at least.

Which funny enough, puts him just one goal behind Connor Bedard, with 4 fewer games played.

You should see someone about your YDS.

 

[Dotter]

So you are saying that with all those high draft picks, this is the result you should expect from an organization? The Canucks had far less draft picks, and have managed to build a decent team in about the same time frame that the Red Wings have had, and that is with a very average GM during those draft years, unless you think Benning was a drafting genius.

Management has failed in Detroit, and very badly.

Wut? Canucks have literally 2 players on their roster drafted after 2019; Hoglander and Podkolzin. Which one of those greats is better than Seider and/or raymond?

The context of my post (replying to another member) is redraft 2019-2024 and build a better prospect pool. You interject with some weird off-the-wall comment.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Which funny enough, puts him just one goal behind Connor Bedard, with 4 fewer games played.

You should see someone about your YDS.

Wow, he’s one goal behind the guy famously being criticized for not scoring goals this season. Colour me impressed!

They are still building. They have a lot of good pieces, have some good veterans for the young players to learn from. As pointed out, as long as they keep improving they will climb the mountain eventually. Nate Danielson looks like a gem, ASP looks like a weapon. Their homegrown D core is still super young and are still years away from their prime. Cossa is putting up good numbers in the minors this year. They've done a fantastic job of collecting all the pieces, and they aren't all ready yet. Still probably have at least 1 more top 10 pick in the draft to add some scoring. I'm not a Detroit fan but I'm really excited about the team they are building, and Danielson is wildly underhyped on these boards.

Nate Danielson is a gem who is wildly underhyped. How hyped should a guy with 2 goals and 8 points in 15 AHL games be? This is the calvalry on the way to save this bad offense? Uh

 

[Dotter]

Whos firing their coach first, detroit or boston?

Good question. My money is both will probably be in the same timeframe when "the chips fall".

I am expecting Detroit to transition to a different coach during these 2 days off until next game. If Yzerman doesn't fire the coach, then I think he is going to take this opportunity to naturally tank the 2024/25 season. If he isn't firing the coach this week, then he should start selling.

 

[Dotter]

A rational poster above said the 2nd D pairing is too bad to compete. He is right. Not much else matters until they can get an at least competent second pairing.

I blame coaching. There's better pairing options available, but Laldone is determined to force square peg in round hole.

 

[TKB]

A rational poster above said the 2nd D pairing is too bad to compete. He is right. Not much else matters until they can get an at least competent second pairing.

Or at least change something up. I have said that one of the valid criticisms of Yzerman is that I haven't been sold on Lalonde, (though I do think he is a good guy).

I don't like what they seem to have taken out of MO's game and for the life of me, can't understand how he keeps running back 8 and 47 as a second pairing with such disastrous results. It is one thing if asking them to be sacrificial lambs but the team was competing, but that is obviously not the case.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Or at least change something up. I have said that one of the valid criticisms of Yzerman is that I haven't been sold on Lalonde, (though I do think he is a good guy).

I don't like what they seem to have taken out of MO's game and for the life of me, can't understand how he keeps running back 8 and 47 as a second pairing with such disastrous results. It is one thing if asking them to be sacrificial lambs but the team was competing, but that is obviously not the case.

It's the stupid waiting game.... Not making a move knowing you will eventually have a prospect fill that role. It handcuffs the team. I care more about long term success and would rather them not spend capital/cap space on an upgraded place holder that ASP/Wallinder will take, someday anyway.

 

[TKB]

It's the stupid waiting game.... Not making a move knowing you will eventually have a prospect fill that role. It handcuffs the team. I care more about long term success and would rather them not spend capital/cap space on an upgraded place holder that ASP/Wallinder will take, someday anyway.

For sure. I said in the game thread that as frustrating as the start of this season has been, by far the most important thing in the long run is the continued development of prospects, which for the most part is going well so far this year.